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Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.12.22 09:54:00 - [31] I'm sorry, i didn't want to label you as evil, but i just can't see where is the problem if applying this idea in pve, really. I can understand what you say: if i'm in trouble i can disconnect an my drones will follow, but it's just a mission, who care anyway (i never did something like that btw, but that's me, i know). And looking at the camera drones, why should combat drones not be able to do the same?
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2008.12.22 10:22:00 - [32] chasers are at a disadvantage for the chasers often outnumber the chasee so that said if the player who is be chased has time to deploy drones and get first combat action. if you had more people running arround with drones out try to get thier target that is a big no... you people must think as if your being the victom when ever you post here for if your the victom and can accept your idea without bias. then its worth concidering. but if you see trouble and you cant wait for your drones to redock to your ship before you warp long as your drones have yellow writing say returning to ship they should warp to your new ship and then dock up but if you double jump like planet 1 then planet 2 and your drones are still warping to planet 1 then you should be considered as abandoning your drones. i think im fully clear on as why its over powered but if you need more eplanation you are going to get it but questionable on you comprehensive skills hehe
Sir Substance Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2008.12.22 11:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Sir Substance quite true. in addition, i would like to point out that you can scan drones down for a reason, and one of those reasons is its profitable. Would you take the time to scan down 10 T1 drones? nope. but 10 t2 drones can be scanned down within 5 mins in a msision hub, if you let them build for a few weeks and use a deep space probe. thats about 5mil in 5 mins. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for them, that all went out the window?
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.12.22 12:42:00 - [34] Warpable drones?! You mean like....... Templars?! Scared of the events forum?
Yolo Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2008.12.22 12:45:00 - [35] When you emergency warp, have your drones emergency return to your drone bay. No need for them to warp anywhere.
Saffronique Epic Hyena Props	Posted - 2008.12.22 14:13:00 - [36] As an owner of multiple T2 Drone bpos.. I think this idea is a TERRIBLE one.
Ashley Thomas Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.12.22 14:57:00 - [37] insta scoop drones to your ship on dc if you have no agro timer...
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:23:00 - [38] Why can't my lasers hit 5 AU away? Dumb idea. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:58:00 - [39] Originally by: SpawnSupreme but if you see trouble and you cant wait for your drones to redock to your ship before you warp This is not what i was talking about! I'm talking about crashes! Originally by: Julius Rigel Warpable drones?! You mean like....... Templars?! NO!! AGAIN NO!! READ MY POST FFS!! Originally by: Yolo When you emergency warp, have your drones emergency return to your drone bay. No need for them to warp anywhere. This is exactly what i was talking about. Originally by: Saffronique As an owner of multiple T2 Drone bpos.. I think this idea is a TERRIBLE one. Your post is useless, thank you. Originally by: Ashley Thomas insta scoop drones to your ship on dc if you have no agro timer... Yes, i said this too. Originally by: Grarr Dexx Why can't my lasers hit 5 AU away? Dumb idea. Are you dumb or what?! Was i asking for my drones to warp far away and engage a target? NO! So please don't post stupid things!
Inara Subaka Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:39:00 - [40] Krystal, are you going to completely ignore my response? You seem to have a snide remark for everyone else, can you give me ANY reason that the points I brought up are not valid and disprove the idea that you are just whining about something that boils down to 2 words: "Shit happens".

Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.12.22 17:04:00 - [41] Edited by: Krystal Demishy on 22/12/2008 17:05:10 Originally by: Inara Subaka Krystal, are you going to completely ignore my response? You seem to have a snide remark for everyone else, can you give me ANY reason that the points I brought up are not valid and disprove the idea that you are just whining about something that boils down to 2 words: "Shit happens". Example 1: i start a mission, i deploy my drones, the client crash, for whatever reason i cannot get back in time and my drones are gone. Example 2: i start a mission, i fire 10 missiles, the client crash, for whatever reason i cannot get back in time... hmm.. in time for what, my missiles are still in my cargo. PS 5 mil? want to talk about t2 sentry?
Solostrom	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:41:00 - [42] First off I hate the idea. Second if your client crashes so frequently that this is an issue for you, upgrade your computer. Third let us examine a way of abusing this... Your in a mish in your "2LAR Dominix of AFK mish clearing". Your drones are set on aggressive and u are barely paying attention. You notice with horror that your Ogre IIs have just triggered another spawn and are 70km away. They are agro'd and getting hit. You realize that with this new warp with you feature you can just disconnect and the drones will follow. Thereby saving your drones which otherwise would suffer roughly 90 seconds of getting shot at before they reached the safety of the drone bay. No to this idea! Losing drones is an ISK Sink. Avoids lazy play. If your computer DCs so frequently that this is an issue as I said before... upgrade!
Valorous Bob Slade Gravelpit Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.22 20:21:00 - [43] I think this is a good idea as long CCP finds a way to keep people from abusing it. i also think all the people saying that it will be unbalanced for PVP are ****ed cuz th OP repeatedly said this was for PVE/Missions... _______________________________________________ Originally by:** Faekurias Edited by: Faekurias on 12/11/2008 18:25:39 What, you get to write **** now? Sweet! Edit: I see what you did there
Dhejay Centrix Caldari The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2008.12.22 21:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Valorous Bob i also think all the people saying that it will be unbalanced for PVP are ******ed cuz th OP repeatedly said this was for PVE/Missions... He is intending it that way yes, unfortunately those of us not suffering in the way you so eloquently describe realise that it will be used for PVP also. This is another post asking for an easy mode. Say NO to Ease online.
Serots Tramlaw	Posted - 2008.12.23 01:26:00 - [45] Create 2 options: 1 - WARP TO DRONE BAY 2 - ABANDON 1 - Purpose and restrictions: The purpose of this feature would be to allow a player to collect his/her drones from space if accidentally left behind due to simple forgetfulness or loss of connection/crash. Restrictions: 1 - An aggression countdown restricts the use of WARP TO DRONE BAY because you should be prepared to lose your drones if you run from a battle that you either initiated or 'thought' you could handle. 2 - The only remote control allowed for left-behind mining drones is WARP TO DRONE BAY, not 'continue harvesting while I'm away'. 3 - All drones must cease all activity once you warp out. You cannot simply set your drones to engage or mine and leave them. As soon as you initiate warp, your drones should go inactive, subjected to whatever an aggression countdown has to offer them. 2 - ABANDON drones. We can already do this, so this option really isn't an issue. However, if you've warped away and still have the ability to recall your drones under this proposal, you'd also want the ability to abandon them if you just don't give a crap. I support this idea because there has been times, for me on the West Coast and my brother in the Mid West, that the connection has been lost. Not a crash, but a lost connection to the EVE servers. In this case, I'd warp out due logging off, leaving whatever deployed drones behind. I don't support this idea IF anyone is suggesting to allow drones to follow en route in warp.
Ashley Thomas Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.12.23 04:48:00 - [46] the only real problem with drones is disconnects. you dc and lose 5 mil from absolutely no fault of your own. (on a good day i only lose 10 mil from dc) for those that leave drones behind in belts, well, that was a fault of your own, though being able to regain control when you warp back into range would be nice. someone posted a comic of what it would be like if turrets worked like drones, cant remember where, but it does get the point across.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:35:00 - [47] Drones should just autoscoop whenever you hit warp. Or have drone boats forced to wait around until their drones return... but they can enter warp at only 40-50% of their peak velocity.
Trebor Daehdoow Gallente LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.12.24 14:10:00 - [48] Personally, as someone who uses drones a lot, it's not losing drones to disconnects that annoys me so much as the fact they are a pain in the rear to recover once I reconnect again. This is a significant issue for Mac players as our client tends to be less reliable than the Windows client. Getting disconnected and coming back and finding that some of my drones have been popped is one thing; it's a cost of doing business. Having to slowboat to pick them up is just plain annoying. When you come back after a disconnect, the drones should either be under control again, or should automatically return to the drone bay. While we are on the subject of drone stupidity, I'd like to ask CCP to update the training manual for the grunts who work down in the Drone Bay. They rather stupidly send out the last-used drones, even if they're damaged. Instead, when you deploy a group of drones and there are more drones in the group than you can control, they should send out the least-damaged drones. I also think it is kind of stupid that they can't tell their captain anything about the repair condition of drones in the drone bay. World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2008.12.24 14:34:00 - [49] if your drones return to your ship if you begin warp and they will not make it in time then i agree to them warping to you and instantly docking. if you want anything more than that i will ask bor a button that insta pops everything in eve, with a double tap so it gets all pods as well.
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.12.24 14:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Krystal Demishy Originally by: Saffronique As an owner of multiple T2 Drone bpos.. I think this idea is a TERRIBLE one. Your post is useless, thank you. How is his post useless? As a manufacturer of T2 drones, your idea will put a serious dent in his operations. Unless of course you don't want to address how you will keep the T2 drone manufacturers happy. Any reduction in drone losses will affect those with BPO's, BPC's or invention BPO's. Then if they are making less then the players supplying them with minerals will be making less...it will affect quit a bit of the market that you aren't taking into account. ------------------------------------

Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.24 18:40:00 - [51] Do you have to press "return to cargohold" and then wait for your caldari navy antimatter to come back to you before you warp out? What, was that a no? /signed
Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.24 18:43:00 - [52] Originally by: NightF0x Originally by: Krystal Demishy Originally by: Saffronique As an owner of multiple T2 Drone bpos.. I think this idea is a TERRIBLE one. Your post is useless, thank you. How is his post useless? As a manufacturer of T2 drones, your idea will put a serious dent in his operations. Unless of course you don't want to address how you will keep the T2 drone manufacturers happy. Any reduction in drone losses will affect those with BPO's, BPC's or invention BPO's. Then if they are making less then the players supplying them with minerals will be making less...it will affect quit a bit of the market that you aren't taking into account. Really man, that post was like Halliburton saying it's a bad idea to end the war in Iraq.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.25 06:39:00 - [53] Signed. Honestly, do you know how much it hurts to loose a group of t2 heavies when you're relatively new to the game CCP? And to a disconnect of all things? No other weapon system vanishes because your client decides to take a coffee break...
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.25 09:48:00 - [54] Not signed. Deploying Warp-Capable Drones is the role of Carriers and they already have Fighters for this purpose. I would prefer more different types of Fighters for Carriers, not warp-drones for all ships
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2008.12.25 10:44:00 - [55] not even carriers can warp and keep thier drones but they can asign them to players who warp arround. and the moron who talk about shoot his antimatter ammo and warp and wait for them to go back to cargo.... has no comparison and ammo is 1 shot 1 use drones are reusable. you cant have drons out warping anywhere. explained b4 but i do it again for you ******s who cant get it the first time... there are ecm webber and neutralizer drones anong with the dps drones that simply can shut down a player attempting to flee instantly and the player who is the attacker normaly has numbers to his advantage making it to easy to gank. just gives attackers way to much speed and advantage in combat the defender is concidered a stable platform unless he leaves sho he should have an advantage of having drones out. attackers usualy already have the first target aquisition because long as attacker has warp speed active he is invulnerable to targeting and thus making attacker know exactly when he is capable of start targeting giving an advantage. let the defender have advantage of deployed drones. you people ceep say its for mission reasons only... do not need anything other than drones that will warp to make a dock attempt. if and only if you recall drones prior to warping if you dont recall drones then you should have to warp back to location and hit dock drones to get them back. but i agree unless if you leave solar system you should never completely abandon drones... thats what the abandon drones button is for.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.25 10:51:00 - [56] Horrible idea. Why even commnit to a fight? So there's this ishtar orbiting me at the edge of disruptor range, and as soon as it looks bad for him, he can just warp off and let his expensive ogre II follow? Even worse, he tries to get away from me with ecm drones, gets a jam cycle, and can just warp off, and his drones follow? Yeah right. ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2008.12.25 11:14:00 - [57] very good examples brother but i would say its fair if he gets a jam hits warp and while ship is winding up for warp he hits return to drone bay and takes off then the drones go then i think it was fai because he has very good twitch skill. besides this is a viable request if your a mission runner and everything else. all ccp needs to do is make 3 drone settings 1 active 2 passive and 3 abandoned in passive or in abbandon mode they should remain still and be able to be stollen. but if the pilot never leaves solar system but leaves drones controle range the drones should be placed in passive mode. in passive mode if the ship ever returns to drone controle range the drones can recieve return to drone bay command to recalabrate them for redeployment. senarios that place drone in passive mode: warping without command to return to ship internet diconnections senarios that place drones in abandon mode: use of a stargate to a new solar system abandon drone button theft of your drones in passive mode
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.12.25 11:41:00 - [58] Originally by: SpawnSupreme if you click return to drone bay then i agree they should warp but to move about with your drones out removes the advantage of being the gankee!!! my salution to if you lose conectivity when you return to game long as you have not left solar system you can return to location and request drones to drone bay then redeploy them for now they are recalabrated for combat. I would vote for this one - a PvP opponent should have the option of scooping/shooting your drones if you deliberately/accidentally logoff. If/When you return, you would immediately regain control of any left in space, but while you are out of your current drone control range, they are up for grabs. For PvE, this does not protect them from damage from NPCs, but most people can reconnect and warp back within a minute - you might lose one or two, but not the full set while slowboating your way back to them. Note - is this not, after all, similar to what happens with sentry drones? If you move further from them than your current drone control range, you cannot give them further instructions. However, when you move back into drone control range, you can assign targets again. Therefore: 1) fighters are big enough to support warp drives, and so do warp after you 2) regular drones are too small to support warp drives, so can't follow you, but will re-establish comms if you move back within range (current drone control range). 3) camera drones are too small to support warp drives, but are tiny enough that their MWDs allow them to return to you immediately in any situation. After all, look how fast they move to that 100km enemy, or return to you when it blows up. Once back at their normal distance from you (a couple of kms?), they are small enough to get pulled into warp with you. Loc.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.25 12:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Emporors Champian besides this is a viable request if your a mission runner and everything else. Let me paraphrase. "I don't care about the consequences to anything pvp related, i want my risk free carebearing even more risk free. Also, if i haven't said it already, i don't care for the consequences" Nice one. There is a lot of stuff you could do with drones to make the more usable, letting them warp in any way is not one of them. ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2008.12.25 12:31:00 - [60] you make such a strong argument i have to say i vote NO!!!



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