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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.10.04 10:44:00 -
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The only way i loose my drones is when my eve client crash, and it is extremely annoying.
I've read about that happaning to a lot of people.
So, very simple: why don't you make drones enter warp with the ship?
This means to extend the already existing technology of the camera drones, to all drones
If you don't want that people abuse it you can make that it works only when an emergency warp is performed (even though, no other ship loose his weapon systems when warping out, so the implementation of the camera drones tecnhology on all drones makes sense imho).
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Freezehunter
Gallente
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 11:52:00 -
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I vote yes...
The story backs it up (camera drones have warpdrives)...
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Tim Idaho
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Posted - 2008.10.04 12:48:00 -
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/signed.
Personally I'd like to see the drones get out of dodge even if they don't make it back to me on time, but I understand that this is a game balance issue. Still, in cases of D/c, the drones should warp out with you.
One small point however, exiting RL again (re-entering EVE) after a D/c brings your ship back into the same hot zone you just left. Where do your drones rendez-vous with you? I think that's going to be the trick. Personally I'd vote for a rendez-vous and scoop to cargo bay while offline. This would mean that they're NOT immediately available for re-engagement as soon as you re-enter EVE, which is consistent with current gameplay and means less balance issues to address for this worthwhile change.
Tim.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Freezehunter
I vote yes...
The story backs it up (camera drones have warpdrives)...
do they, i always assumed they were light enough to get dragged along in the warp bubble of the host ship. |
Yamato Gasaraki
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.04 15:06:00 -
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The Camdrones are bound to your Hull through magnetic Force.
I /sign it non the less. |
Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.04 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
Originally by: Freezehunter
I vote yes... The story backs it up (camera drones have warpdrives)...
do they, i always assumed they were light enough to get dragged along in the warp bubble of the host ship.
I don't really care how camera drones do it, I just wish drone ships didn't lose all their 'ammo' when they get disconnected.
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Nnamuachs
Caldari
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.04 19:27:00 -
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they're called fighter drones
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Freezehunter
Gallente
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nnamuachs
they're called fighter drones
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not everyone uses fighters ****head...
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Freezehunter
Gallente
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yamato Gasaraki
The Camdrones are bound to your Hull through magnetic Force.
I /sign it non the less.
Nope, that can't be true, because they can go out more than 400 km away from your ship...
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.04 21:59:00 -
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Could be done with a 10 au radius perhaps an extra high end skill above t2 heavy combat drones so it takes some training to do
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:07:00 -
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That is a nice idea. I guess though that this should be tied with a skill?
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2008.10.05 10:08:00 -
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Yes, please.
Very good idea, hope this gets implemented.
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Yamato Gasaraki
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.05 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Freezehunter
Originally by: Yamato Gasaraki
The Camdrones are bound to your Hull through magnetic Force.
I /sign it non the less.
Nope, that can't be true, because they can go out more than 400 km away from your ship...
They attach to the ship by using a combination of an attractive magnetic force and repulsive electromechanical force, this also allows them to orbit the ship at any desired position.
-> http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/apr01-02.asp
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:36:00 -
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Everyone like this idea, why no official response? 
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ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 21/12/2008 13:50:46
I sing this idea, because it makes a lot of sense.
And something for the ppl arguing about camera drones.
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:15:00 -
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Would make drones overpowered.
Yet another request for an "easy" mode for EvE tbh. If you lose something then try petitioning to get it back, the worst that will happen is a refusal and you'll know the problem is yours to fix locally.
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:16:00 -
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if you click return to drone bay then i agree they should warp but to move about with your drones out removes the advantage of being the gankee!!!
my salution to if you lose conectivity when you return to game long as you have not left solar system you can return to location and request drones to drone bay then redeploy them for now they are recalabrated for combat.
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:22:00 -
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There would need to be a timer on drones in the case of d/c. 5 minutes or something. After that they would be no longer bound to your ship.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Krystal Demishy on 21/12/2008 15:14:16
Why would it be overpowered?! Explain!
You clearly are not a drone user: i warp out and my drones follow me, what's overpowered in that?
And i talked about missions: loosing drones this way when you are doing missions is the most annoying thing in the world, you waste money and time to replace them.
Sure you can warp back to them, but often you don't have the time to do that, becouse the client don't want to connect anymore or becouse they will be death already, think about those missions with multiple stages where you MUST navigate through multiple acceleration gates with only the AFTERBURNER for 70kilometers and more!
So, why would it be overpowered?!
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.12.21 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Edited by: Krystal Demishy on 21/12/2008 15:14:16
Why would it be overpowered?! Explain!
You clearly are not a drone user: i warp out and my drones follow me, what's overpowered in that?
And i talked about missions: loosing drones this way when you are doing missions is the most annoying thing in the world, you waste money and time to replace them.
Sure you can warp back to them, but often you don't have the time to do that, becouse the client don't want to connect anymore or becouse they will be death already, think about those missions with multiple stages where you MUST navigate through multiple acceleration gates with only the AFTERBURNER for 70kilometers and more!
So, why would it be overpowered?!
because you no longer have to wait while under fire for your drones. you can just pull the plug and know that your drones will follow you.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 17:49:00 -
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And is that overpowered to you? You are funny, really.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Krystal Demishy on 21/12/2008 17:54:20
BTW there are 2 aggro timers in eve: 1 activate when you go pve and 1 when you go pvp, so they could simply use those things: when a pve timer is on your drones will follow when you crash, else they will stay where they are.
And whey you warp out BTW, you will stay in space, then anyone can scan you down and having drones out will make it even more simple, so what's wrong with this idea??
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.12.21 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Edited by: Krystal Demishy on 21/12/2008 17:54:20
BTW there are 2 aggro timers in eve: 1 activate when you go pve and 1 when you go pvp, so they could simply use those things: when a pve timer is on your drones will follow when you crash, else they will stay where they are.
And whey you warp out BTW, you will stay in space, then anyone can scan you down and having drones out will make it even more simple, so what's wrong with this idea??
You obviously have never been so beaten that you can't wait for your drones to return to seek repairs. As the system currently stands, you have to wait for them to return or face destruction or warp out and leave them to fend for themselves. With your idea, you could just unplug your connection and not have to wait for your drones to come back therefore saving you millions in what would have been destroyed drones. You say, who cares? I bet that drone manufacturer would that just lost 5m because you now don't have to purchase new ones.
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:20:00 -
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You are sick man.
I really loose them only when my client crash and that is really frustrating.
That is the main reason why people loose drones (not talking about pvp, but there is fair) and not 'couse they are incompetent and cannot handle a mission, but becouse crashes happen; you are the only evil person here that thought about "unplugging" the cable... is that your kind of gameplay? Sadness...
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:48:00 -
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crashes do happen. If it's a server problem you get the destroyed stuff back by petitioning, if it's a client problem then it's your problem.
There should never be a game mechanic in place to prevent losses from a player's computer or equipment not working correctly. If there's a known bug with the client and you can prove that's the issue then you also get reimbursed.
I admit, I hate waiting for drones to return when called but they're drones not fighters. That's how they work.
I've not had any random client crashes for a while now that weren't due to my system suddenly kicking off a random process while running several clients at once. In every case this could have been avoided so I feel stupid and log back in. If I lose drones in this situation then it's my fault. If you're having to run away faster than you can pull your drones in then don't you think you might be doing it wrong?
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
...I just wish drone ships didn't lose all their 'ammo' when they get disconnected.
I keep seeing this, and I have to point out: Say your set of drones costs you 5mil isk... not that much tbh. Now lets look at other "expendable" weapons (missiles, hybrid, projectile), for 5mil you could get 10,020 Wrath Fury Cruise Missiles (and I'm too lazy to figure out how much of the others). I'm assuming you're talking about using drones in PvE, which is why I'm using cruise not torps.
I haven't ran missions in a while, but in a standard Raven you spew out 6 of those every seven and a half seconds roughly. That's about three and a half hours of continuous firing (time in which the launchers are actually turned on), which if I had to guess is about a days worth of missions for the average carebear (mission people, please correct any of these numbers where I'm completely wrong).
Which means that in the same amount of time, you should go through the same amount of resources as they do to accomplish the same feat. Since neither drones or missiles use cap, meaning you don't have to remove mids for cap stability and can instead use them for utility, I would say that losing a set of drones once in a while is reasonable; in fact, expected, of a mission runner.
Also, losing things is part of Eve... this isn't a perfect world, sometimes you get roughed up. Just be glad they don't have the old missions that took fleets to even survive, and they were only lvl3.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.21 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Clansworth
...I just wish drone ships didn't lose all their 'ammo' when they get disconnected.
I keep seeing this, and I have to point out: Say your set of drones costs you 5mil isk... not that much tbh. Now lets look at other "expendable" weapons (missiles, hybrid, projectile), for 5mil you could get 10,020 Wrath Fury Cruise Missiles (and I'm too lazy to figure out how much of the others). I'm assuming you're talking about using drones in PvE, which is why I'm using cruise not torps.
I haven't ran missions in a while, but in a standard Raven you spew out 6 of those every seven and a half seconds roughly. That's about three and a half hours of continuous firing (time in which the launchers are actually turned on), which if I had to guess is about a days worth of missions for the average carebear (mission people, please correct any of these numbers where I'm completely wrong).
Which means that in the same amount of time, you should go through the same amount of resources as they do to accomplish the same feat. Since neither drones or missiles use cap, meaning you don't have to remove mids for cap stability and can instead use them for utility, I would say that losing a set of drones once in a while is reasonable; in fact, expected, of a mission runner.
Also, losing things is part of Eve... this isn't a perfect world, sometimes you get roughed up. Just be glad they don't have the old missions that took fleets to even survive, and they were only lvl3.
quite true. in addition, i would like to point out that you can scan drones down for a reason, and one of those reasons is its profitable.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
quite true. in addition, i would like to point out that you can scan drones down for a reason, and one of those reasons is its profitable.
Would you take the time to scan down 10 T1 drones?
I'd at least like my drones to still be controlled by me when I return from a disconnect. "Drones in deep space" exist when I warp out of a mission, hull blazing. Then I just sit and repair, warp back into the mission, and the drones are instantly available to kill stuff again.
So if I get disconnected, I lose my drones. If I bail out, my drones just hit their MWDs and fly towards me. My losses are higher when the EVE client crashes. That's not my fault, it's out of my control.
When I reconnect after a disconnect of any type, I'd really like my drones to still be "connected" to my ship. The same way your turrets, launchers and ammo are still connected to your ship.
At least you can plan your visits to your hangar to resupply - you don't expect to have to leave a mission half way through because your cargo hold suddenly vented your ammunition out into space.
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DrDooma
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Posted - 2008.12.22 00:42:00 -
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/Signed make them t3 drones (t2 + warp with you)
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.12.22 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Demishy
You are sick man.
I really loose them only when my client crash and that is really frustrating.
That is the main reason why people loose drones (not talking about pvp, but there is fair) and not 'couse they are incompetent and cannot handle a mission, but becouse crashes happen; you are the only evil person here that thought about "unplugging" the cable... is that your kind of gameplay? Sadness...
I agree that crashes happen. I was giving an example of how over-powerful this idea could be. There are people out there that will pull their plug to save 5m. I'm not one of them but they do exist and have to be planned for. Try to label me as evil all you want because I don't agree with your idea, the least you could do is refine it a bit to ease some of the vet's concerns if this were implemented.
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