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Mactire
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Posted - 2004.06.22 14:34:00 -
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When it comes to collecting tolls for wayfarers, a fine balance has to be met. One must take into account the age of the character, the ship they are flying, and the possibility that they have implants. Ask too much and you'll end up just picking their bones for drop loot. Ask too little and you loose out on revenue. I'm interested in what guidelines other toll gatherers are using out there?
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AbraKadaver
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Posted - 2004.06.22 14:40:00 -
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I suggest cost of ship divided by how generous you are feeling 
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Sidhe
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Posted - 2004.06.22 15:05:00 -
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You could always ask them to fill out a toll form before you gank the law abiding citizens... A Pirate by any other name!
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Candy
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Posted - 2004.06.22 15:34:00 -
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Well, My guidelines are quite simple. At Gates, Destroy the Ship and Pod. This is mainly because of the disgusting act in which someone says "One Second, Ill pay" and then slowly approaches the gate and jumps. When I find someone somewhere that they are stuck, I use the following theory: Someone will only pay just less than it would cost them to start over. So, for example, lets say a Scorpion. Ship costs ~61m, ~71m payout. 10m worth of equipment means that the new ship would cost only the new insurance. So, the toll is 15-20m. Frigates and Cruisers, not worth it, pop em. Pods: Pop 'em in 0.0, Toll them 5m in 0.0-0.4. This way its a win-win situation, I dont lose sec status, they keep their implants. If someone has something important that they dont want to lose, they will hopefully be quick and send a sum that would distract me from their escaping pod. Recently though, Battleships have stopped implying huge sums of money, so often its just easier to assume that there's no real value in bargaining with them, just kill em and move on.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2004.06.22 16:32:00 -
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If they in a tier 2 BS I start negotiations at 30m, prepared to go to 15m if they n00b or whatever..depends if they nice or smack talkers as well.
Tier 1 I ask for 20m, will go to 10m depending on circumstances
Cruiser its 1m, will drop to 750k depending on circumstances
Will only pod someone If I get loads of grief
Vels
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Torgrim
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Posted - 2004.06.22 17:00:00 -
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Becuse you flying a BS it dosent mean you are rich.
So 20 mill can be too mutch these days when the new NPC are harder too kill.
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Goodberry
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Posted - 2004.06.22 17:06:00 -
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Personally 1 isk is too much to pay a pirate.
Good Captains would just fight and go down with their ship if necessary.
Regards
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.06.22 17:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Goodberry
Personally 1 isk is too much to pay a pirate.
Good Captains would just fight and go down with their ship if necessary.
Regards
Yep, right now since I am not rich...I just bring my Low Spec Space Setup in my Cargo Hold..before I
enter..I dock in .5 (or what ever is the system prior)...Fit screen..Then Change Any named items for Generic Stuff...So, basically, if I get waxed...I don't loose a thing...I have insurance and Clone is up to date....And the PC Pirate gets what? Everyday generic BS....
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Matar Seb
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Posted - 2004.06.22 17:46:00 -
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In my opinion, if its a properly place "toll" - i.e, if someone placed a blockade at a chokepoint to 0.0 and charged passersby a reasonable flat rate sum, it might be worth paying. (similar to docking fees)
Otherwise, screw it. Let them kill you.
Everything can be replaced. And if you are (by some chance) flying around with 20M worth of implants in your head and a cargo hold full of zydrine, one would hope you've got instajumps and an alliance that can keep the travel lanes under surveillance.
(someone tried conning 3.5 million out of me last night, so I just fired on them. Lost my ship, but insurance covered it all)
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Mactire
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Posted - 2004.06.22 18:18:00 -
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Goodberry, I agree with you. The night Tank CEO paid a visit to my system and showed me the pointy end of his weapon, I was adverse to paying. I was prepared to go down fighting... (think my torps are still flying around that system looking to engage with Xidde). However, I was prepared for my loss. Others are not, and that is why there are business opportunities out there. If you are not prepared to loose it then don't risk it. The reason people are in low security space is for commerical reasons. High risk high gain...
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.06.22 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Torgrim
Becuse you flying a BS it dosent mean you are rich.
So 20 mill can be too mutch these days when the new NPC are harder too kill.
If you haven't got 20m isk in your wallet, you shouldn't be flying a BS.
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RAGED
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Posted - 2004.06.22 19:51:00 -
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yer i have had a few ransommes usually we or i depending go in and take the ship heavley in2 armour so he c's our pwr then he usually will pay or get ganked, we charge for safe passage also if we c someone that we have killed and knows us they will sometims pay not 2 get aggro and protection for himself/herself or there entire corp ceo's r perticaully good 2 nuke cause they sometimes decide 2 protect there whole corp.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2004.06.22 20:15:00 -
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LIU:
It all depends on the corp structure, our corp works as a bank, we have corp credit. The minerals we drop are bought with this corp credit onsite, so we can buy stuff from the corp with that credit.
In that case you can have 100 million and have nothing to show for it.
Corp credit can be paid out in isk if a director is online. If not paying (if i feel like paying) can take time.
I paid "Miss Take" and "Miss Gank" or something when i was carrying a bunch of high end minerals between deepspace and gehi. Luckily they were patient as it took quite some time for me to get it.
As mentioned before i would also pay whatever is less then the isk i would loose unless the pirate ****es me off.
There is honour among pirates, they are a neccessary evil to keep this game interesting.
I met "Miss Take" two times the same day after I paid up, she was kind enuf to let me past "as I paid for a 24 hour period".
Just my carebearish 2 cents.
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MoLeH
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Posted - 2004.06.23 13:18:00 -
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all these ppl who says ill never pay a pirate r really funny when you have them scrambled and webbed, then they start to plea for there lives.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.06.23 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Goodberry
Personally 1 isk is too much to pay a pirate.
Good Captains would just fight and go down with their ship if necessary.
Regards
And they do. Taking a stand will cost you your ship and possibly your clone. Logging off will cost you the same. Logging means automatic pod kill too.
Generally a lvl1 BS is 10M, lvl2 is 20M. Cruisers are not worth it but maybe 1-2M. Pods 5-10M.
Any threats in local, heavy smack talk, or approaching the gate..and they die.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.06.23 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Torgrim
Becuse you flying a BS it dosent mean you are rich.
So 20 mill can be too mutch these days when the new NPC are harder too kill.
If you haven't got 20m isk in your wallet, you shouldn't be flying a BS.
I am tired of this argument. Not all the time a wallet is that big, live with it. And ... the pilot might even consider you not worthy to get his 20m isk, maybe not even considering you worthy for 1 isk above the loots value.
Interesting in this thread is, however, that those who say "I do not pay but fight" look rather alt-ish to me.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.06.23 14:35:00 -
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10m for t1 battleships, 20m for t2 battleships. Opposed to toaster, I don't simply kill them if they try to run or ***** in local, that would never reach me and I wouldn't let them drag me down to their level. Either lock them down and demand money, if they refuse, kill them and get the loot. That's the way to go.
If they get away they've been lucky for this day. 
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Chaz Pounder
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Posted - 2004.06.23 17:59:00 -
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kinda st8 forward here, no fuzz 
BS = 20 milj no nego (14.3333 milj no deal,19.8 m okej)
Crusers = kos (ask the pod for 20 milj)
indys = kos (ask the pod for 20 milj)
Frigitts = kos (ask the pod for 20 milj)
hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.06.23 18:22:00 -
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How does the pirate community think of pirates who suggest a toll and when a person agrees on the toll, up the price again.
Is this acceptable, or stupid because it takes up more time?
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crice
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Posted - 2004.06.23 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
How does the pirate community think of pirates who suggest a toll and when a person agrees on the toll, up the price again.
Is this acceptable, or stupid because it takes up more time?
I am no pirate. But that is unacceptable.
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Chaz Pounder
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Posted - 2004.06.24 04:14:00 -
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unacceptable .. deal is a deal. 20 mill no more no less, but if the lad sends me 30 m when i asked for 20 im not sad. if he dont ask for 10 mil back i see no problem keeping em ;)
Originally by: Eris Discordia
How does the pirate community think of pirates who suggest a toll and when a person agrees on the toll, up the price again.
Is this acceptable, or stupid because it takes up more time?
hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche |
Sajuuk Cor
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Posted - 2004.06.24 07:29:00 -
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Agreed, a deal's a deal.
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Zhaka Zuulu
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Posted - 2004.06.24 07:38:00 -
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OMG! Why pay toll  ? When you can just log off like everyone else does . Simply tell the pirate you are going to pay and quickly log off....lol. If you do it fast enough, it will take 1 minute for your ship to fly off. Just as long as no shots have been fired before the log off.
Pretty neat how this works. Unless CCP fixes game mechanic problem you will always have that option
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.06.24 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Torgrim
Becuse you flying a BS it dosent mean you are rich.
So 20 mill can be too mutch these days when the new NPC are harder too kill.
If you haven't got 20m isk in your wallet, you shouldn't be flying a BS.
You have been online for too long my friend, not everyone is in you situation  Most people inside BS's are just bearly able to pay for enough proper equipment.
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Mactire
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Posted - 2004.06.24 08:57:00 -
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Zhaka, as soon as someone disappears from the toll window, that is the trigger to open up on them. Plenty of time to take out a ship before it warps to safety. And there is a chance you might get the pod as well...
The thing about a lot of new Battleship owners is that they have saved up for this ship without thinking about the hidden costs of ownership. Insurance 20-30mil, Turrets, skills etc. So they will be flying around without insurance or proper kit for a long time before they should be. So it may be worth considering an interim rate for new Battleship owners. 10mil for Tier 2 and 5mil for Tier 1. Depending on the pilots age. |
khainestar
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:05:00 -
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Upping the amount when someone agrees to pay is not an option I have gone down guns blazing due to this before. I agreed to pay 5mill for my interceptor.(cheaper than the 7mill plus insurance to replace)
The only time I have not either stayed to fight or run like hell was when I met viceroy. I got a warp started and windows choose that moment for BSOD. I would have liked to see if I could have escaped. Next time at least pod me will you. I had to annoy some people till they podded me, (I don't do self destruct)
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:30:00 -
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Would something like a toll window ( like trade) be useful in the pirate profession?
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Would something like a toll window ( like trade) be useful in the pirate profession?
I think thats taking it too 'official'. Though I'm not I pirate and don't know would it be helpful
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Mactire
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Posted - 2004.06.24 11:45:00 -
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A toll window would be a very good idea. You would still need to be able to chat to the customer and monitor any logging attempts. But, it would make tolling into a more ligitmate mechanic of the game.
Changing your mind on a toll would not be an option. I can't believe that people would do such a devious thing, really! It gives Pirates a bad name! |
Velsharoon
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:19:00 -
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How does the pirate community think of pirates who suggest a toll and when a person agrees on the toll, up the price again.
Is this acceptable, or stupid because it takes up more time?
No pirate will do that, only griefers. Remember if I ask for tolls then pull a stunt like that then word will get around not to trust my corp or myself-not what a proper pirate wants
To that eedjit who said about logging off, I always warp in, scramble and start a full scale assault while convoing the target. They have to stop shield boosting, stop fighting back before they can even think of negotiation. If they surrender I keep their shields and armour down so if backup arrives I can pop them in one salvo for being cheeky ;)
As to the toll system how would that work? It would be unweildy as your trying to convo, look out for other ships, launch drones scramble etc...
Vels
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