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Novabitch
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Posted - 2008.10.07 12:48:00 -
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Have the game mechanics changed recently, since the patch I have had 3 people log out of combat when it started going bad for them, all these people were pointed and had agressed me so how can they possibly log out!!!
Can CCP please clarify what is going on here, if its possible to log out now when pointed if you deaggress for only a minute then guess what all capital ships are invulnarable and PVP jsut effectivly ended in eve. Or is the exploit of logging in another character reared its ugly head again?
Thank you
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Kendar
Gallente Disney inc
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Posted - 2008.10.07 12:57:00 -
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Bugreport it, dont tell every logof***** out there its possible
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Novabitch
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Posted - 2008.10.07 13:10:00 -
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I just want confirmation if the game mechanics have been changed or more people have started cheating.
Thanks
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Zhenga
Black Thorn Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.07 13:12:00 -
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How about making a petition about this. Giving carebears ideas on ways out is bad mkay.
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Novabitch
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:30:00 -
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Bump, still awaiting CCP response.
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Aieran
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:33:00 -
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You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nova***** Bump, still awaiting CCP response.
Just petition them for an exploit and you'll get a (semi) official answer from a GM, or even senior GM if you escalate it. Much higher chance for a response than spamming around on the forum, really.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a response if you petition it.
Fixed
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it.
This, also bumping threads every hour is spamming tbh. _
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Rehtom Lamina
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:05:00 -
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Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed.
Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much.
Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 07/10/2008 15:09:35
Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it.
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26
Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed.
Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much.
Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.
once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp?
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Evengard
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:35:00 -
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Agro timer \ logoff problem exists for a very long time, but in good traditions CCP keeps ignoring it. This is legal use of bug. And you can do nothing. ________________ Recon and Intercept
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:37:00 -
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I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience?
I did and i was told it is not an exploit, so I started doing it myself
--- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 07/10/2008 15:54:58 Petitioning logoffski's is useless by itself.
In this case however it seems that the 15 min delay before the target disappears after logging out is not present. After fighting for some time, the target decided to log out and disappears after 1 min. For this, a petition could help answer what exactly happened.
Petitioning someone for simply logging out is not going to give you satisfying results.
edit: it's not that you were fighting near a gate or a station?
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience?
I did and i was told it is not an exploit, so I started doing it myself
This post has limited your carreer options. Many corps out there kick their members for pulling off logoffskis...
It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next?
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Faife
Minmatar Noctiscion The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.10.07 16:25:00 -
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Pro-tip: bring enough dps to kill your target, not bore them to death
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Faife
Minmatar Noctiscion The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.10.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next?
we all gang up on the guy with the royal flush cause he's clearly cheating.
also, OP, he probably just docked up. that's why most people don't fight at stations.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.10.07 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
This post has limited your carreer options. Many corps out there kick their members for pulling off logoffskis...
It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next?
Like I care
The guy I petitioned did logoffsky inside a bubble we anchored. They've "fixed" that bug since then (you no longer emergency warp off from inside a bubble)
--- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.10.07 16:35:00 -
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I am not aware of any changes to this mechanic ...
Have you filed a bug report about this issue? Include any additional details that you can so that we can look into the issue.
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.07 17:35:00 -
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I always hope someone will log off when I'm in my Helios.
I can usually have them probed out before their ship finishes ewarping.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.07 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26
Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed.
Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much.
Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.
once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp?
i dont blame you one bit. if you can avoid getting killed when you know you cant win(10v1). then that sounds pretty logical to me....cause lets face it,no one is going to 1v1.....and if they do and you win you will get gang by the rest of them and die anyways. __________________________________________________
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whisk
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26
Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed.
Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much.
Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.
once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp?
Lmao, i alone watched you logoff twice and cought you ones
you r just a joke sir
Adapt or Die
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: whisk
Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26
Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed.
Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much.
Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.
once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp?
Lmao, i alone watched you logoff twice and cought you ones
you r just a joke sir
as i have said i only logged off once intentionally. Care to backup your words with actions?
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Eternal Fury
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:26:00 -
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had a drake try this in lowsec last night.
Had 3 HIC's on him.. So he sure SHOULDN'T have been able to get away.. He just went poof. Wasn't there.
he logged back on a few minutes later.. then imeadiately logged again.. So we sent a Buzzard to play with him.
"Heh.. warp to me guys." was said over Vent.. Crunch. one dead Drake.
"Should we pod him too?"
"HELL yeah. The ***** tried to logoffski.. Pop his pod!"
SQUISH..
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09
Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience?
Yes. Short answer is they dont care and "cannot tell people when to log on or log off - and have to protect people from crashes"
This is blatent bullshit, as they keep your ship sat in a bubble out in 0.0 (therefore not protecting the pilot) but not if they log in lowsec whilst cloaked, whereby you disappear into thin air and are transported into magical laa laa land where its batemburg cake and crumpets for tea.
Now the GM I spoke to was excellent and looked into the issue thoroughly for me, but the surprising thing was neither he nor his superiors understood the way the cheating mechanics work. They truly did not realize it was possible to do the old logoff log on in rapid succession to move your warp back in point.
I suspect most of CCP dont actually understand what the issue is we are talking about. Scratcg their heads and say, well why dont they probe the logger! Why dont they wait at the gate for him to log back in?
Its the economy stupid!
This could be fixed by CCP incredibly easily.
If they are going to wash their hands of cheating in low sec (but not 0.0 for some bizarre reason) then the least they could do is maintain the spot where the person logged off at as the point where they will return to apon recomenncing connection.
But will they do it in this "cold hard universe"?
Three guesses
SKUNK
Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked.
My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09
Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked.
My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply.
this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ****y about it. __________________________________________________
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:40:00 -
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you cant say p!$$? __________________________________________________
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: supr3m3justic3
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09
Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked.
My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply.
this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ****y about it.
That can be balanced by being in a safe place (station) when you do such things. I think that the risk of inconveniencing people who want to swap skills when their ship is in space logged out against bringing the hammer down on people who abuse the game mechanics is acceptable.
I spend a lot of time out in the middle of nowhere, so it would have a minor effect on me as well. But I could still do it, if I planned around it. So I see what you object to, I just think it's an acceptable consequence.
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