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Novabitch	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:48:00 - [1] Have the game mechanics changed recently, since the patch I have had 3 people log out of combat when it started going bad for them, all these people were pointed and had agressed me so how can they possibly log out!!! Can CCP please clarify what is going on here, if its possible to log out now when pointed if you deaggress for only a minute then guess what all capital ships are invulnarable and PVP jsut effectivly ended in eve. Or is the exploit of logging in another character reared its ugly head again? Thank you
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:57:00 - [2] Bugreport it, dont tell every logof***** out there its possible
Novabitch	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:10:00 - [3] I just want confirmation if the game mechanics have been changed or more people have started cheating. Thanks
Zhenga Black Thorn Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:12:00 - [4] How about making a petition about this. Giving carebears ideas on ways out is bad mkay.
Novabitch	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:30:00 - [5] Bump, still awaiting CCP response.
Aieran Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:33:00 - [6] You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Nova***** Bump, still awaiting CCP response. Just petition them for an exploit and you'll get a (semi) official answer from a GM, or even senior GM if you escalate it. Much higher chance for a response than spamming around on the forum, really. -------- Ideas for: Mining
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a response if you petition it. Fixed
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it. This, also bumping threads every hour is spamming tbh. _ Add your own line!
Rehtom Lamina The Movement	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:05:00 - [10] Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them.

Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:09:00 - [11] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 07/10/2008 15:09:35 Originally by: Aieran You'd probably get a quicker response if you petition it. useful information here ^^ __________ Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail?
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:23:00 - [12] Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp?
Evengard Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:35:00 - [13] Agro timer \ logoff problem exists for a very long time, but in good traditions CCP keeps ignoring it. This is legal use of bug. And you can do nothing. ________________ Recon and Intercept
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:37:00 - [14] I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience?
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:53:00 - [15] Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience? I did and i was told it is not an exploit, so I started doing it myself --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:54:00 - [16] Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 07/10/2008 15:54:58 Petitioning logoffski's is useless by itself. In this case however it seems that the 15 min delay before the target disappears after logging out is not present. After fighting for some time, the target decided to log out and disappears after 1 min. For this, a petition could help answer what exactly happened. Petitioning someone for simply logging out is not going to give you satisfying results. edit: it's not that you were fighting near a gate or a station?
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:01:00 - [17] Originally by: AleRiperKilt Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience? I did and i was told it is not an exploit, so I started doing it myself This post has limited your carreer options. Many corps out there kick their members for pulling off logoffskis... It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next?
Faife Minmatar Noctiscion The Black Isle	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:25:00 - [18] Pro-tip: bring enough dps to kill your target, not bore them to death
Faife Minmatar Noctiscion The Black Isle	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:27:00 - [19] Originally by: H Lecter It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next? we all gang up on the guy with the royal flush cause he's clearly cheating. also, OP, he probably just docked up. that's why most people don't fight at stations.
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:28:00 - [20] Originally by: H Lecter This post has limited your carreer options. Many corps out there kick their members for pulling off logoffskis... It's like playing poker with high stakes. You have a Full House, your opponent has a Royal Flush, so you lose and then you take your money from the table and say 'Sorry guys, I just made up my mind and don't want to poker today'. Guess what would probably happen next? Like I care The guy I petitioned did logoffsky inside a bubble we anchored. They've "fixed" that bug since then (you no longer emergency warp off from inside a bubble) --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr


CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:35:00 - [21] I am not aware of any changes to this mechanic ... Have you filed a bug report about this issue? Include any additional details that you can so that we can look into the issue. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:35:00 - [22] I always hope someone will log off when I'm in my Helios. I can usually have them probed out before their ship finishes ewarping. Corp and Personal killboard
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:56:00 - [23] Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp? i dont blame you one bit. if you can avoid getting killed when you know you cant win(10v1). then that sounds pretty logical to me....cause lets face it,no one is going to 1v1.....and if they do and you win you will get gang by the rest of them and die anyways. __________________________________________________
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:07:00 - [24] Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp? Lmao, i alone watched you logoff twice and cought you ones you r just a joke sir Adapt or Die
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:15:00 - [25] Originally by: whisk Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp? Lmao, i alone watched you logoff twice and cought you ones you r just a joke sir as i have said i only logged off once intentionally. Care to backup your words with actions?
Eternal Fury It's A Trap	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:26:00 - [26] had a drake try this in lowsec last night. Had 3 HIC's on him.. So he sure SHOULDN'T have been able to get away.. He just went poof. Wasn't there. he logged back on a few minutes later.. then imeadiately logged again.. So we sent a Buzzard to play with him. "Heh.. warp to me guys." was said over Vent.. Crunch. one dead Drake. "Should we pod him too?" "HELL yeah. The ***** tried to logoffski.. Pop his pod!" SQUISH..
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09 Originally by: H Lecter I never tried petitioning logoffskis - does someone have experience? Yes. Short answer is they dont care and "cannot tell people when to log on or log off - and have to protect people from crashes" This is blatent bullshit, as they keep your ship sat in a bubble out in 0.0 (therefore not protecting the pilot) but not if they log in lowsec whilst cloaked, whereby you disappear into thin air and are transported into magical laa laa land where its batemburg cake and crumpets for tea. Now the GM I spoke to was excellent and looked into the issue thoroughly for me, but the surprising thing was neither he nor his superiors understood the way the cheating mechanics work. They truly did not realize it was possible to do the old logoff log on in rapid succession to move your warp back in point. I suspect most of CCP dont actually understand what the issue is we are talking about. Scratcg their heads and say, well why dont they probe the logger! Why dont they wait at the gate for him to log back in? Its the economy stupid! This could be fixed by CCP incredibly easily. If they are going to wash their hands of cheating in low sec (but not 0.0 for some bizarre reason) then the least they could do is maintain the spot where the person logged off at as the point where they will return to apon recomenncing connection. But will they do it in this "cold hard universe"? Three guesses SKUNK Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked. My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply. Corp and Personal killboard
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09 Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked. My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply. this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ****y about it. __________________________________________________
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:40:00 - [29] you cant say p!$$? __________________________________________________
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:42:00 - [30] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09 Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked. My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply. this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ****y about it. That can be balanced by being in a safe place (station) when you do such things. I think that the risk of inconveniencing people who want to swap skills when their ship is in space logged out against bringing the hammer down on people who abuse the game mechanics is acceptable. I spend a lot of time out in the middle of nowhere, so it would have a minor effect on me as well. But I could still do it, if I planned around it. So I see what you object to, I just think it's an acceptable consequence. Corp and Personal killboard

Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Le Skunk Yes. Short answer is they dont care and "cannot tell people when to log on or log off - and have to protect people from crashes" This is blatent bullshit, as they keep your ship sat in a bubble out in 0.0 (therefore not protecting the pilot) but not if they log in lowsec whilst cloaked, whereby you disappear into thin air and are transported into magical laa laa land where its batemburg cake and crumpets for tea. Now the GM I spoke to was excellent and looked into the issue thoroughly for me, but the surprising thing was neither he nor his superiors understood the way the cheating mechanics work. They truly did not realize it was possible to do the old logoff log on in rapid succession to move your warp back in point. I suspect most of CCP dont actually understand what the issue is we are talking about. Scratcg their heads and say, well why dont they probe the logger! Why dont they wait at the gate for him to log back in? Its the economy stupid! This could be fixed by CCP incredibly easily. If they are going to wash their hands of cheating in low sec (but not 0.0 for some bizarre reason) then the least they could do is maintain the spot where the person logged off at as the point where they will return to apon recomenncing connection. But will they do it in this "cold hard universe"? Three guesses SKUNK moar! post moar!
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:57:00 - [32] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp? i dont blame you one bit. if you can avoid getting killed when you know you cant win(10v1). then that sounds pretty logical to me....cause lets face it,no one is going to 1v1.....and if they do and you win you will get gang by the rest of them and die anyways. I wouldnt be suprised if they did tbh. But it would prove my point.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:08:00 - [33] Yea, its a big problem, but there are ways to get around it -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:09:00 - [34] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 07/10/2008 15:26:26 Originally by: Rehtom Lamina Just wait for them to log back in and/or scan them out, they should still be scannable while agressed. Kor annon has logged on atleast 3 occasions to our corp and has died each time, the last time i waited 3 hours for him to log back in purely because i hate logoffski that much. Its a lame tactic but can be solved by probing them. once intentionally and it was 5 mins before dt when i had no chance of winning, but if your that upset about it come duel me 1vs1, or is a even fight beyond you and your corp? i dont blame you one bit. if you can avoid getting killed when you know you cant win(10v1). then that sounds pretty logical to me....cause lets face it,no one is going to 1v1.....and if they do and you win you will get gang by the rest of them and die anyways. I wouldnt be suprised if they did tbh. But it would prove my point. and you base it on what? your loggoff expirience? Adapt or Die
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:11:00 - [35] The same basis as which you thing i make logoffski a habit, Never seen any of you guys engage something on your lonesome or without the odds stacked sharply in your favor
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:11:00 - [36] Originally by: whisk Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: whisk backup? as in? you are a joke and most people in the areya you operate know it COAD's over there. C&P is too. COAD is for bullshit this is facts and truth and he cant escape it This is your playground tussle over "uh huh! nuh uh!" while the rest of us - even Le Skunk- are trying to have a civil conversation. Corp and Personal killboard
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:30:00 - [37] Originally by: kor anon The same basis as which you thing i make logoffski a habit, Never seen any of you guys engage something on your lonesome or without the odds stacked sharply in your favor you know what they say 2much **ing makes you blind Adapt or Die**
kor anon Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:33:00 - [38] Originally by: whisk Originally by: kor anon The same basis as which you thing i make logoffski a habit, Never seen any of you guys engage something on your lonesome or without the odds stacked sharply in your favor you know what they say 2much ****ing makes you blind yes but only by the backward . Your opinion is that i log off all the time, mine is that you never engage without blob. lets leave it at that shall we?
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09 Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked. My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply. this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ****y about it. That can be balanced by being in a safe place (station) when you do such things. I think that the risk of inconveniencing people who want to swap skills when their ship is in space logged out against bringing the hammer down on people who abuse the game mechanics is acceptable. I spend a lot of time out in the middle of nowhere, so it would have a minor effect on me as well. But I could still do it, if I planned around it. So I see what you object to, I just think it's an acceptable consequence. Your idea doesn't stop logoff tactics at all so what's the point? People who are inclined to do it will still do it, they just won't log back in. Just like the new undock mechanics didn't get people any more kills while station camping (except from idiots who didn't know about the change), people just stopped undocking. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Wet Ferret Your idea doesn't stop logoff tactics at all so what's the point? People who are inclined to do it will still do it, they just won't log back in. Just like the new undock mechanics didn't get people any more kills while station camping (except from idiots who didn't know about the change), people just stopped undocking. Well, I'd accept a minor victory if it would stop the mechanic of "logoff/logon/logoff/logon" to move your warpin point repeatedly and without any ability to engage you. If it forces someone who pulls a logoffski to stay out of the game because they can't be sure their aggressors are waiting, so much the better. I'll take small victories. Corp and Personal killboard

Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Jimer Lins If it forces someone who pulls a logoffski to stay out of the game because they can't be sure their aggressors are waiting, so much the better. I'll take small victories. mmm, scout alts.
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/10/2008 18:21:09 Minus the tinfoil and bile, I agree. I once chased a fenrir halfway across Old Man Star. For the life of me I couldn't figure out how I could get a scan, warp to him, start targeting and he'd vanish, only to reappear on scan a moment later, probe him down, lather, rinse and repeat until he docked. My suggestion was and remains that if you log in, you remain logged in for 5 minutes, regardless of other conditions. A timer starts at login, your ship stays in space and doesn't ewarp or vanish if you disconnect. After 5 minutes of being logged in, existing game mechanics should apply. this will affect more than the ppl who want to log off in fight...i know that if i just want to change a skill and had to wait 5 min every time i did, i would prob. get a little ***y about it. That can be balanced by being in a safe place (station) when you do such things. I think that the risk of inconveniencing people who want to swap skills when their ship is in space logged out against bringing the hammer down on people who abuse the game mechanics is acceptable. I spend a lot of time out in the middle of nowhere, so it would have a minor effect on me as well. But I could still do it, if I planned around it. So I see what you object to, I just think it's an acceptable consequence. noted,i think that would work....or something similar. I dont log cause i dont get my self in positions where i would need to, so i would hate for the actions of other people make me suffer...cough* US economy coughcough __________________________________________________
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Le Skunk they dont care and "cannot tell people when to log on or log off - and have to protect people from crashes" This is blatent bullshit Agreed. It is a 100% boldface LIE that CCP cannot code for the difference between an intentional logoff and a random crash/disconnect. ---- Train more. Whine less.
My Sister	Posted - 2008.10.07 23:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Sirius Problem Originally by: Le Skunk they dont care and "cannot tell people when to log on or log off - and have to protect people from crashes" This is blatent bullshit Agreed. It is a 100% boldface LIE that CCP cannot code for the difference between an intentional logoff and a random crash/disconnect. really? you think they can tell the difference between some one pulling the plug on their internet router? adn some one having an actual computer crash? or perhaps an isp meltdown? even if they coded to change mechanics for those who pressed CTRL +Q or actually used the log off button they cant sop people from pulling their net cable out or pressing alt F4.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 23:51:00 - [45] Originally by: My Sister You think they can tell the difference between some one pulling the plug on their internet router? adn some one having an actual computer crash? No, they cannot tell the difference and I did not indicate that they could identify such a difference. Quote: even if they coded to change mechanics for those who pressed CTRL +Q or actually used the log off button they cant sop people from pulling their net cable out or pressing alt F4. If someone is desperate (stupid?) enough to yank their net cable, shut off their router, or ctrl-alt-del their system in order to save their ship, that's just pathetic. The fact, and only point I made, is that it is easily within CCP's power to detect a "logoff" vs a "disconnect". And any GM, dev, etc that tells you otherwise is full of crap. Ctrl-Q is just too easy. Why are people so terrified of taking some losses in a GAME? I guess some of these logoffski pros are the same whiners that get their mommy to call the dean when they get graded lower than they feel they deserve because they "worked so hard on that report." ---- Train more. Whine less.
the Entity Fah King Corp	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:22:00 - [46] couldnt u back in the day log off,then log in another char on same account ,therefore removing first char from space completely? food for thought... _______________________ is this my sig? no this is :P
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:34:00 - [47] Originally by: CCP Lingorm I am not aware of any changes to this mechanic ... Have you filed a bug report about this issue? Include any additional details that you can so that we can look into the issue. There is no change, the op is describing what happens when someone logs whilst under gate cloak.


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