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Eaiaden Minmatar Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:58:00 - [1] Standings reset, no reds or blues (almost). Well its not a "complete" standing reset, our nemesis -A- are still red., but thats it... This will be in affect from now. Originally by: Sean Faust The Typhoon is an oddity. It is EXTREMELY versatile and can be fit just about any way you can imagine.
Eaiaden Minmatar Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.10.07 13:58:00 - [2] Standings reset, no reds or blues (almost). Well its not a "complete" standing reset, our nemesis -A- are still red., but thats it... This will be in affect from now. Originally by: Sean Faust The Typhoon is an oddity. It is EXTREMELY versatile and can be fit just about any way you can imagine.
Lasakywa Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:28:00 - [3] Ah ?
KurmoL Caldari Evil Activities United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:38:00 - [4] We love you IAC may the sp«¬n be with u
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:41:00 - [5] So where are you going to finish dying?
Niraco79 Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:41:00 - [6] IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:58:00 - [7] Come to Curse, there be plenty AAAs to kill _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
MentaFox The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:09:00 - [8] o7 ____________________________________ dis mah sig
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.07 15:36:00 - [10] GL IAC . COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!

bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency Which of course is why your ballsy self is still in Venal, amiright? ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Jallem Sims Minmatar Wyverns of Dionysus	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:20:00 - [12] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency Which of course is why your ballsy self is still in Venal, amiright? please lets not get him started!
Baka Bana Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency They are going to move into "Pure Blind" and kick some Corps out of there. So they will get some new standings pretty soon. FYI
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:36:00 - [14] I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I am eating lunch right now. Pay attention to me, I matter.. no really. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:53:00 - [15] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency Which of course is why your ballsy self is still in Venal, amiright? Awwww, its my favourite 1 man alt corp stalker. You're cute o/ ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:12:00 - [16] grats grats, good to hear you guys aren't folding just yet even if alliance is below 280 members now
Tamtaman Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:28:00 - [17] Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Niraco79 IAC with ballz..this is a good sign..have fun Not really, they're moving over the other side of the map and have no local standings anyway. They're just resetting the ones they left behind. If they had balls they'd have stayed in Curse and carried on inflating our KB efficiency whatever nub your k/d ratio isn't shit
Rudy Metallo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Said UK. --
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Don't be silly, that's like saying the old IAC shoulda been called Tyrrax's bunch, they still have MINC and Hachou and every right to call themselves IAC, plus your corp isn't exactly oldschool iac ;P

Caldari cheese	Posted - 2008.10.07 17:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Don't be silly, that's like saying the old IAC shoulda been called Tyrrax's bunch, they still have MINC and Hachou and every right to call themselves IAC, plus your corp isn't exactly oldschool iac ;P Are you sure about MINC?
Captian Au2 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:28:00 - [22] Greetings : ) Image size is much too large. Please re-size. Navigator We are recruiting 7mil SP minimum T2 Frigs, HACs, Recons, Logistics Required PVP Oriented Contact [u]Captian Au2[/u
Thundirr Mercurialis Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:46:00 - [23] o.O
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:52:00 - [24] now i feel silly, someone actually told me minc had left just a couple of hours ago too i blame being sick !
Blank Protection Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:53:00 - [25] What the Hell, MINC left IAC also? Why? This Post belongs in Out of Pod Experience
Tamtaman Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Don't be silly, that's like saying the old IAC shoulda been called Tyrrax's bunch, they still have MINC and Hachou and every right to call themselves IAC, plus your corp isn't exactly oldschool iac ;P Well ... you got kicked out , while Hach kicked everyone else out.. see the difference ?
CiderKing Gallente Perpetua Umbra Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.07 18:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Quoted for truth. Let the old girl die already..... -Cider IAC ex-BOS
DasDizzy Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:12:00 - [28] Do you want TT back?
Blank Protection Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Blank Protection on 07/10/2008 19:21:46 Originally by: DasDizzy Do you want TT back? Whats wrong with TT? TT was of great advantage to IAC so plz dont start the MS crap again. Lol completly forgot im not allowed to post in here because im in a noob Corp atm hehe. This Post belongs in Out of Pod Experience
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 07/10/2008 21:30:50 So where are IAC going? Edit: booya :page2snypa: -----------

BliTzKrieGAH The Maverick Navy	Posted - 2008.10.07 23:46:00 - [31] GL IAC May Jim Lovell continue leeroying dreads wherever you may end up.
Eshestun Caldari The Maverick Navy	Posted - 2008.10.08 01:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? LoL! this coming form UK of all people.
Incubus Sin	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:02:00 - [33] Best of luck IAC !!!
Darkopteron DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:09:00 - [34] GL IAC, enjoy flying alongside Liberty they're cool guys.
Narcotic XIII Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Narcotic XIII on 08/10/2008 03:47:11 Thats right theres only 4 corps in iac now.....teh guys left are still not dead, and what's that about "we cant call ourselves iac", you all left, you cant call yourselves IAC. I remember not remembering more ops than you'll ever remember, i think that counts us as worthy to be called IAC. Right?
Gil Danastre Amarr Ioncross Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 05:36:00 - [36] Narc for Prez hearts You were one of the best FC's there. (And no you're probably one of the only ones, I guess?)
Kryttos Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 06:05:00 - [37] Hey you can come join us in Drone Regs =p [email protected]
Colonel Bra'tac The Maverick Navy	Posted - 2008.10.08 06:13:00 - [38] Originally by: CiderKing Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Quoted for truth. Let the old girl die already..... -Cider Some alliances should have died along with it... but i guess time is a gruesome foe...
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk now i feel silly, someone actually told me minc had left just a couple of hours ago too i blame being sick ! handicapped /= sick Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Coming from you that is very very very ironic... I hope you get flogged by your alliance leadership (which those barbaric slaves most probably will do) for making such foolish remarks...

128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:34:00 - [41] A toast to a bright and alcoholic future!
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:37:00 - [42] Originally by: CiderKing Originally by: Tamtaman Edited by: Tamtaman on 07/10/2008 17:32:11 Why call yourself IAC ? IAC means so much to so many people. Think of a new name.. like "The Hachu's Bunch" .. or "The Drunks of Eaiaden". Calling yourself IAC is wrong. Quoted for truth. Let the old girl die already..... -Cider Can I ask why you joined Sylph?
Ev1lD Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:52:00 - [43] Good luck iac, I hope you will reborn somewhere and sometime again.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:56:00 - [44] Good luck out there IAC. Wherever 'there' is. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:22:00 - [45] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Coming from you that is very very very ironic... I don't think you 'get' irony. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Coming from you that is very very very ironic... I don't think you 'get' irony. That didn't make sense at all... By the way... is being a bitter **** a requirement when applying for UK?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:50:00 - [47] Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2008 11:51:08 Originally by: 128th ABC123 That didn't make sense at all... By the way... is being a bitter ** a requirement when applying for UK? Yes. There is a special 'bitterness' test you must undergo prior to induction. The current pass benchmark is: 'lemon' standard edit: in case you're wondering, I'm off the scale ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog'** Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Prof Patpending Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.10.08 12:12:00 - [48] Lemons are not bitter, I like licking lemons like lemon licks do.
Tamtaman Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.08 12:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Narcotic XIII Edited by: Narcotic XIII on 08/10/2008 03:47:11 Thats right theres only 4 corps in iac now.....teh guys left are still not dead, and what's that about "we cant call ourselves iac", you all left, you cant call yourselves IAC. I remember not remembering more ops than you'll ever remember, i think that counts us as worthy to be called IAC. Right? You are the best FC out there.. may the gods of the north send you droves of reds to kill. -Tam
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2008 11:51:08 Originally by: 128th ABC123 That didn't make sense at all... By the way... is being a bitter ** a requirement when applying for UK? Yes. There is a special 'bitterness' test you must undergo prior to induction. The current pass benchmark is: 'lemon' standard edit: in case you're wondering, I'm off the scale Kk... yeah was just wondering, I mean you do have a collection of bitter **s in UK, Conlin kind of sets the standard, but he must feel slightly threatened now you've joined the ranks... compared to you Conlin's as sweet as a non-diet coke....

Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:25:00 - [51] Actually, I think IAC and U'K have some similarities. The obvious of them being that they are both (more or less) former 0.0 space owners who have taken a beating. More to the point, just as U'K has moved on to other pastures, so will IAC. EvE is a richer place for having both IAC and U'K in it and OoC I'm wishing the best of luck to both organisations. I've had great fun flying either with or against both organisations - And in my book that's the success criteria that makes a corp/alliance worthy of respect. I see no point whatsoever in the snipes that have been thrown in the direction of either organisation. But then again, I probably just don't "get" CAOD. Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus But then again, I probably just don't "get" CAOD. Probably. But actually, fun and trolling aside, you make a fair point. However, I'd say that UK is well past their nadir, and on an upward curve at the moment (comparing that to IAC who have lost well over 1000 members in the last few weeks/months). ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
CiderKing Gallente Perpetua Umbra	Posted - 2008.10.08 14:04:00 - [53] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Can I ask why you joined Sylph? Known Sylph for literally years, decided to try an alliance that wasn't as "demanding" as IAC. (ie. More like BOS, a casual alliance) Perum also needed a place to rebuild and recover, so here we are. -Cider IAC ex-BOS
Thak Navari Caldari z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2008.10.08 17:18:00 - [54] Also Sylph are a great bunch that deserve a guy like Cider and his crew to lead them into battle! 07 Also Sylph arent a bunch that like to steal space away from smaller alliances all the while telling them that they are insignificant. Not to forget having a President saying one thing and the Vice president (Bullying)saying the complete opposite. The kicker and of course this is my favorite part, is having Apple Boy saying the contradictions werent happening at all. Good I guess Apple Boy (the thief) went running before the fighting started. Good Luck IAC with that kind of management youll need it!
Armadaus Baldwin International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:15:00 - [55] Whelp! Guess we'll check our standings, would hate to have to shoot BOF.
AbsentLover	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:11:00 - [56] Hachou: IAC is dead, it's official. (с)
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:38:00 - [57] Edited by: Ariashley on 08/10/2008 22:40:20 Originally by: Narcotic XIII Edited by: Narcotic XIII on 08/10/2008 03:47:11 Thats right theres only 4 corps in iac now.....teh guys left are still not dead, and what's that about "we cant call ourselves iac", you all left, you cant call yourselves IAC. I remember not remembering more ops than you'll ever remember, i think that counts us as worthy to be called IAC. Right? I miss hearing your sexy voice in TS Narcotic. <3 You were definitely one of my favorite IAC guys outside of MVN to have flown with. You can call yourself whatever you want, especially if you say it verbally imo (preferably on the Mav public channel in Eve voice). Hope we never find outselves having to shoot at one of your fleets (but if we do, I'm sure the fighting will be excellent). Though, I have to say I'm totally confused by Hachou's proclamation that IAC is dead when read in conjuction with this thread. Ariashley (aka Arialyaa)
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:51:00 - [58] Originally by: AbsentLover Hachou: IAC is dead, it's official. (с) Why post a link to a site with pretend writing? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Black Necris Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:20:00 - [59] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Actually, I think IAC and U'K have some similarities. The obvious of them being that they are both (more or less) former 0.0 space owners who have taken a beating. More to the point, just as U'K has moved on to other pastures, so will IAC. EvE is a richer place for having both IAC and U'K in it and OoC I'm wishing the best of luck to both organisations. I've had great fun flying either with or against both organisations - And in my book that's the success criteria that makes a corp/alliance worthy of respect. I see no point whatsoever in the snipes that have been thrown in the direction of either organisation. But then again, I probably just don't "get" CAOD. I dont think you are right m8, cose as you see IAC was like this megamorphing alliance that went down faster than a thai hooker or the US stock market, UK on the other hand got megablobed by "the future defunct" IAC babysitting your ****y pos spamming alliance in a process that took months. One thing is certain tho... with IAC gone and AAA not having targets, guess who will be next? cough* Providence cough yes thats right... and i want to be there to see your alliance down and in ruins. (and yes bitter much). *Personal opinions stated above by a proud ex-UK pilot, who dosnt represent in any way his alliance. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Baka Bana They are going to move into "Pure Blind" and kick some Corps out of there. How? Originally by: Baka Bana So they will get some new standings pretty soon. FYI I guess youre right From our side the standings remain unchanged as far i can tell :-) recruiting -forum

zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:33:00 - [61] Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/10/2008 06:34:21 Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Said UK. Yeah, i think we are beyond that and returned as zombies. At least we have _growing_ numbers. In contrary to the NYSE stock index and to IAC who thought it was a fun idea to be mean to us in curse. But then discovered we can only be killed by silver bullets and head/torso separation - and they had not the right tools for the job, after their close friends and deathstar defending cattle-slaves from TCF went somewhere else for a more relevant mission along with their remaining and yet to be trapped titan... .. where were i? huh.. i am posting on CAOD. Thats not good, it indicated boredom. recruiting -forum
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:53:00 - [62] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2008 11:51:08 Originally by: 128th ABC123 That didn't make sense at all... By the way... is being a bitter ** a requirement when applying for UK? Yes. There is a special 'bitterness' test you must undergo prior to induction. The current pass benchmark is: 'lemon' standard edit: in case you're wondering, I'm off the scale Kk... yeah was just wondering, I mean you do have a collection of bitter **s in UK, Conlin kind of sets the standard, but he must feel slightly threatened now you've joined the ranks... compared to you Conlin's as sweet as a non-diet coke.... He says running North as fast as his wee legs can take him Now who,s bitter ? !
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:26:00 - [63] Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/10/2008 07:26:41 Originally by: 128th ABC123 yeah was just wondering, I mean you do have a collection of bitter ****s in UK, Conlin kind of sets the standard, Seriously, conlin and butter dog in our alliance is a very scary thing:-) And we have some aces in the sleeves, whoms name youre not yet aware of. We are sending our diplomats into extended crisis management bootcamps to compensate that. recruiting -forum
stagz D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:27:00 - [64] Edited by: stagz on 09/10/2008 10:27:00 Can IAC come to vale plz? id love to start shooting Jim Lovell again its oh so fun to watch him squirm
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/10/2008 11:51:08 Originally by: 128th ABC123 That didn't make sense at all... By the way... is being a bitter ** a requirement when applying for UK? Yes. There is a special 'bitterness' test you must undergo prior to induction. The current pass benchmark is: 'lemon' standard edit: in case you're wondering, I'm off the scale Kk... yeah was just wondering, I mean you do have a collection of bitter **s in UK, Conlin kind of sets the standard, but he must feel slightly threatened now you've joined the ranks... compared to you Conlin's as sweet as a non-diet coke.... He says running North as fast as his wee legs can take him Now who,s bitter ? ! We needed a change of scenery, we had over 2 years of Providence/Catch and who knows one day we will be back, ps don't even think you can take credit for us leaving, you've got a whole different group of people to thank for that. Ps. Congrats on choosing the winning side, it's funny to see that the real victors have kept their mouths relatively shut, whilst UK (who did nothing to help the current affairs in lower Catch to where they are now) seem to be taking credit for it... UK has been in hibernation for over a year and wisely kept themselves to a different section of these forums, now they've managed to attract some half decent member corporations they can't seem to shut up.
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:07:00 - [66] Thread rails all over the place :p
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:48:00 - [67] ABC, I don't personally see any UK trying to take total credit for IAC's demise. I do see a couple of UK members trying to rub it in a little. But hey, that is CAOD and compared to some people here they are beginner level and being pretty restrained over it. I think Zoolkhan just pointed out (in his incomplete English due to language translator difficulties in his pod) that when IAC came to Curse to hit UK it had over 1000 people and left unsuccessful with around 300 of them. Not because of us, but more because of IAC itself biting off more than it could chew with everything else on their plate. OK UK and IAC have history, and it is not a good one. But that was old history still and the reasons for it not being a good one have long left IAC before this chapter in their existence. So for the most part you will find the silent majority of UK would wish IAC well with no bitterness. And if you knew my opinions of IAC over a year ago after the ISS war you would know that is saying something. I still laugh when people think UK has been 'hibernating' or 'dying'. To borrow the phrase earlier, 'you don't get Ushra'Khan.' A loss of an outpost or two and all our space was not a killing blow for us. We did not form simply to take space. We did not have ambitions to take space when we formed and for the first year or so as an official alliance we did not claim a single 0.0 system. We span as far back as Beta when a couple of roleplay corps sided against a couple of Amarr RP corps and alliances could not even be formalised or space claimed. You can't kill something like that by just taking space from it. We just dropped off 'your' radar but have been busy with one thing or another. Not that I expect the big boy 0.0 alliances to take note of them, but don't rule them out either. I do agree with one thing you said though. Ushra'Khan members are better off sticking to the IGS instead of CAOD. It is as weird in here for us as the IGS forum is for you guys. Once again, good luck to IAC and their recent former corps as you stagger on, ever drunk. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Thak Navari Caldari z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:03:00 - [68] Originally by: zoolkhan Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/10/2008 06:47:02 Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: Algey So where are you going to finish dying? Said UK. Yeah, i think we are beyond that and returned as zombies. At least we have _growing_ numbers. In contrary to the NYSE stock index and to IAC who thought it was a fun idea to be mean to us in curse. But then discovered we can only be killed by silver bullets and head/torso separation - and they had not the right tools for the job... ..after their deathstar defending superiors and holders from TCF went somewhere else for a more relevant mission along with their remaining and yet to be trapped hot dropping titan... when they came to us, they had roughly 1500 pilots and UK 450 when they left, they had roughly 300 pilots (one POS less) and UK 450 when they go to pure blinds, theyll have ??? pilots and UK 450+ .. where were i? huh.. i am posting on CAOD. Thats not good, it indicates boredom. Anyhow, on an OOC level i do of course wish our foes the best of luck. If you check UKs Alliance Age, you may discover that we dont like to be called dead easily. In that sense we found back to our stubborness.. i guess it cannot be understood by races that did never have to fight their way out of amarr prison camps:) I wouldnt quite say that I have enough Thrasher and Conlin corpses to say I disagree No seriouly I appreciate UK they are always a good opponent and we always have fun with chats in local! I for one salute them. Back on track. AAA steamrolling IAC was nothing more than Justice being served. Unfortunately the only ppl to suffer is the actual "good" pilots trying to defend IAC instead of the management hiding in a time of crisis. Unfortunate it is. IAC management just had one too many dirty deals going on, and the circle of life caught up to them in the form of AAA!
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:42:00 - [69] Originally by: Thak Navari No seriouly I appreciate UK they are always a good opponent and we always have fun with chats in local! I for one salute them. ditto m8, take care out there and dont help the ebil slavers anymore hehe.. Some may have figured that i was responding to "coming from uk" in the sense of "Uk would be too dead to have a right to post" people will understand, that i kind of had to disagree with that. And i am sure IAC will recover as well as we did perhaps with new alignements and goals that would allow us to return to our own traditional slave-liberation business. to me personally IAC has always been more like a non-roleplay distraction from my roleplay vendetta. ps: please take note - my corporation has had a break from ushra'khan for a while as such we are no representation for the alliance on CAOD, i am just a little proud about what my olf friends accomplished while i chickened out and recollected what was left of my sanity after our defeat in providence. at no point they have given up or disbanded, at no point there have been internal arguments as we hear it from time to time from some imploding alliances. And this is something we can be proud of. However, i shall no further hijack this thread:) I am truly sorry. As always, content and spell checking will be done by others;) recruiting -forum
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:09:00 - [70] I still find it pretty amusing that I was a founding high council member of Ushra'Khan ^____^

Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:37:00 - [71] All dead alliance finish they career in Curse tbh. Except TCF...they are kind of necromancer here. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.09 15:51:00 - [72] I need to train UK on avoiding CAOD trolls I see... much work to be done, there is ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Butter Dog I need to train UK on avoiding CAOD trolls I see... much work to be done, there is Shh, UK are dead...
Problematic one Minmatar The Doctorates	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:22:00 - [74] Originally by: Emrod All dead alliance finish they career in Curse tbh. Except TCF...they are kind of necromancer here. I thought cloud ring was the burial place of alliances? or was it Fountain.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:47:00 - [75] Originally by: Problematic one Originally by: Emrod All dead alliance finish they career in Curse tbh. Except TCF...they are kind of necromancer here. I thought cloud ring was the burial place of alliances? or was it Fountain. No foutain its only a place to FIND death. But yeah Cloud ring and syndicate its like Curse too. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I still find it pretty amusing that I was a founding high council member of Ushra'Khan ^____^ amusingly it simply gave the RP community the heads up to how much of a whelp you actually were :) As for the bitter CVA pets in this thread.... yes u'k is dead, those guys in the belts killing you? totally dead :) Bitterness aside (most of my dislike for iac leaving the door with Tyrrax) IAC tried to rally in curse with a mission to kill u'k and get pay back on us having been hamstringing their supply lines whilst they were otherwise engaged with -A-. This failed. IAC are now moving on to keep momentum i assume. They are in the hardest part of losing space as all those who've had enough leave on top of all those that were only there for the free stuff. I wish the remainder luck. They will need it as recovering from a total kicking takes a lot.
A Sinner THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.09 21:05:00 - [77] Best of luck in ur future adventures IAC. I miss being with you and I am really glad to see you carrying on. ----------------------- "There are no ugly women, just men who didn't have enough to drink"
Darkopteron DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:16:00 - [78] Originally by: AbsentLover Hachou: IAC is dead, it's official. (с) Hachou has the best sense of humor. <3
Alaxen Caldari Eve Defence Force Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.10 01:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I still find it pretty amusing that I was a founding high council member of Ushra'Khan ^____^ What is it you do now though?
JackofHearts Together We Form Voltron	Posted - 2008.10.10 01:54:00 - [80] IAC IAC IAC, who is leading IAC now a days and are they still confused about there sexuality? Another standing reset for a new leader in place with new ideas and new fresh directions that replay on a record skipping over and over??? Either way it's good to see IAC still fighting :) I'm sure there is still die hard IAC members in the alliance. Cheers to you, and kill em all yarr.

Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.10.10 02:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Alaxen Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I still find it pretty amusing that I was a founding high council member of Ushra'Khan ^____^ What is it you do now though? As far as I can tell, posting about how great they are. But what do I know?
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.10 06:47:00 - [82] Originally by: Butter Dog I need to train UK on avoiding CAOD trolls I see... much work to be done, there is pls don't...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:03:00 - [83] Meh IAC was fun during my stay. Hi, to all former mates o/
Ackaroth Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:05:00 - [84] Confirming IAC has been spotted quite a bit around Pure Blind, a few fun skirmishs. o/ hi guys from last night :) i need moar tacklers!
BlackMail Caldari Respect Required	Posted - 2008.10.10 22:40:00 - [85] Edited by: BlackMail on 10/10/2008 22:41:31 I miss IAC as well lots of fun to be had there. Miss the Narc runs and Hachou's quiet but eerily sexy voice --------------------------------------- Blackmail Respect Required All Around Good Guy
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.10 23:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Alaxen Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I still find it pretty amusing that I was a founding high council member of Ushra'Khan ^____^ What is it you do now though? kill stuff in bwf mostly
Fotsman Caldari Diversity 101	Posted - 2008.10.11 17:30:00 - [87] Good Luck IAC live long and prosper :)
Simo98 International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2008.10.11 23:39:00 - [88] i vote jim for president id rejoin IAC if that happend :P
Armadaus Baldwin International House of PWNCakes	Posted - 2008.10.12 01:43:00 - [89] Originally by: Simo98 i vote jim for president id rejoin IAC if that happend :P You'd be rejoining in a different Corp... The only way we could ever consider a return to IAC, would be with Narcotic at the helm, and other persons seriously restrained in their dealings/leadership.
El'Shaitan Blue Sky torpedoes	Posted - 2008.10.12 01:49:00 - [90] I used to hate IAC and CVA, and like the minmatar dudes. Now I hate ushrakan or whatever they call themselves. They are just a bunch of bobbit pets. Go CVA! to bad I dont fly amarr (yeah I still dislike iac or whatever is left of em)

Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 03:36:00 - [91] Originally by: El'Shaitan I used to hate IAC and CVA, and like the minmatar dudes. Now I hate ushrakan or whatever they call themselves. They are just a bunch of bobbit pets. Go CVA! to bad I dont fly amarr (yeah I still dislike iac or whatever is left of em) Eh ? , we dont even have blue standings with em and last BOB I saw in curse was being ganked by our camp . Next totally irrelevant accusation ?.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:39:00 - [92] Originally by: El'Shaitan I used to hate IAC and CVA, and like the minmatar dudes. Now I hate ushrakan or whatever they call themselves. They are just a bunch of bobbit pets. Go CVA! to bad I dont fly amarr (yeah I still dislike iac or whatever is left of em) You are a rather confused and silly person are you not. Just because CVA and IAC were fighting together, and IAC were an open part of the naptrain, that hardly makes UK part of the GBC.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:57:00 - [93] Originally by: El'Shaitan I used to hate IAC and CVA, and like the minmatar dudes. Now I hate ushrakan or whatever they call themselves. They are just a bunch of bobbit pets. Go CVA! to bad I dont fly amarr (yeah I still dislike iac or whatever is left of em) Heh, well read about re: GBC Also I'm not sure what CVA have to do with this thread tbh. CVA are not a force that UK have been focusing on, and for very good reason - UK can't win a stand-up fight with them, and we all know that. CVA are very good at what they choose to do, and that is defensive PvP. No-one is better at protecting their space from roaming gangs than CVA, imo. No-one. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Lord Marmalade Amarr Categorically Amarrian Trade Services	Posted - 2008.10.12 08:05:00 - [94] Edited by: Lord Marmalade on 12/10/2008 08:06:47 Originally by: Butter Dog CVA are not a force that UK have been focusing on, and for very good reason - UK can't win a stand-up fight with them, and we all know that. CVA are very good at what they choose to do, and that is defensive PvP. No-one is better at protecting their space from roaming gangs than CVA, imo. No-one. Does your puny brain also believe that CVA took Unity purely via "defensive PvP"? Your kind are terrorist cowards. Far smaller pirate entities cause more havoc than your cause ever will. The people of eve have spoken; Unity is no more and UK is now but a smelly, irrelevant, carcass. Come dare step in Providence and you shall find God at the end of CVA's holy laser light.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 08:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Lord Marmalade Edited by: Lord Marmalade on 12/10/2008 08:06:47 Originally by: Butter Dog CVA are not a force that UK have been focusing on, and for very good reason - UK can't win a stand-up fight with them, and we all know that. CVA are very good at what they choose to do, and that is defensive PvP. No-one is better at protecting their space from roaming gangs than CVA, imo. No-one. Does your puny brain also believe that CVA took Unity purely via "defensive PvP"? Your kind are terrorist cowards. Far smaller pirate entities cause more havoc than your cause ever will. The people of eve have spoken; Unity is no more and UK is now but a smelly, irrelevant, carcass. Come dare step in Providence and you shall find God at the end of CVA's holy laser light. No, they took it via a the 'blob' route. Everyone knows CVA is stronger than UK, hardly a suprise. They also brought all their providence pets to help. It took them a long time and cost them quite a few capitals, but they got it in the end. They simply wanted it more than UK I guess. PS - post with your CVA main ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Ariebos Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:23:00 - [96] Originally by: Lord Marmalade Edited by: Lord Marmalade on 12/10/2008 08:06:47 Originally by: Butter Dog CVA are not a force that UK have been focusing on, and for very good reason - UK can't win a stand-up fight with them, and we all know that. CVA are very good at what they choose to do, and that is defensive PvP. No-one is better at protecting their space from roaming gangs than CVA, imo. No-one. Does your puny brain also believe that CVA took Unity purely via "defensive PvP"? Your kind are terrorist cowards. Far smaller pirate entities cause more havoc than your cause ever will. The people of eve have spoken; Unity is no more and UK is now but a smelly, irrelevant, carcass. Come dare step in Providence and you shall find God at the end of CVA's holy laser light. lol ... plonker :)
CiderKing Gallente Perpetua Umbra	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:17:00 - [97] Holy thread derailed batman!!! Time to clicky! -Cider IAC ex-BOS
Luke Lor'aul Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 03:48:00 - [98] Edited by: Luke Lor''aul on 13/10/2008 03:49:53 I hear Curse is a nice place to lay down and die, IAC. Also, CVA used mercs to take down UNITY.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 04:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Luke Lor'aul Also, CVA used mercs to take down UNITY. Is that what they're telling folks these days? Wowee. Butter Dog got it right. It was a long, messy campaign. I don't know if it was so much a matter of CVA wanting it more than U'K...or rather all the alliances arrayed on the CVA side wanting it more than all the alliances arrayed on the U'K side. At the outset of our invasion of 9uy in particular, we were facing supercaps at a time when we had none, as well as the likes of 0utbreak and Establishment. At the end of the campaign, those folks fell by the wayside (mostly because they had gotten what they wanted: lots of CVA-and-friends killmails) and those with a vested interested in lowly Providence hung about with CVA. Ushra'khan was indeed badly outmanned at that point. There's no real need for smack for sure...that better not have been a CVA alt a few posts above. When we speak on forums, it better be in a tone that doesn't need to be hidden behind an alt.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 07:07:00 - [100] Garreck, you bought in a vast fleet of non RP 0.0 alliance blobbage, and also spammed 25 (or so) towers as you were unable to kill the towers. That was the time I ceased to see CVA as a roleplay alliance. Yes you wanted it more, and luckily UK didn't want it on those sort of terms. So now UK is a "failed" RP alliance that is still fighting slavers, and CVA is an excellent defensive 0.0 alliance. This has all been said a thousand times, I don't know why I'm bothering.

Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:05:00 - [101] Originally by: Algey Garreck, you bought in a vast fleet of non RP 0.0 alliance blobbage, and also spammed 25 (or so) towers as you were unable to kill the towers. That was the time I ceased to see CVA as a roleplay alliance. Yes you wanted it more, and luckily UK didn't want it on those sort of terms. So now UK is a "failed" RP alliance that is still fighting slavers, and CVA is an excellent defensive 0.0 alliance. This has all been said a thousand times, I don't know why I'm bothering. Fair enough. You seem to think CVA should (for RP reasons) have denied themselves the method (putting up POS to take UNITY) to most effectively reach their aim. Personally, I feel it's the other way round really. If I am to RP an Amarr slaver I'll do whatever is necessary to kill off those pesky freedom loving subhuman rebels who live in U'K - as long as the methods are approved and legal as decided by CCP. That's the nature of 0.0. We live here at our peril. As for U'K being a failed RP alliance that's just *******s! With all due respect to the FW people of today, to me you'll always be "the true" Minmatar RP'ers - because you have done your thing for so long. You have been RP Minmatar freedom fighters for my entire time in Eve, and I love you for it. I have had plenty of great times flying against you guys, and U'K are certainly one of the reasons I have stuck around EvE for so long and love the game so much. For example, I still remember my first PvP fight in EvE. Me and a friend, each of us not two weeks old and both flying our brand new Tech I laser armed (with Microwave) Omen cruisers, decided to attack a U'K pilot (Totkm) roaming around Pimebeka (wardec was in place). I believe he was in a Huginn. The fight started off very well. We jumped in, got a scramble on him and proceeded to tear away his shields. Those shields died fast and it was such a great feeling. Then things took a turn to the worse. Totkm decided to fight back, sneaky bastard as he is. Our lasers didn't make any significant impression on his armor and he then proceeded to scram and gank us rather effortlessly. Seing we were both complete noobs he refused to take our pods and sent us on our way. Naturally, I instantly vowed that if the situation should some day be reversed, I'd take down his pod in a heartbeat! After the fight I actually bothered to look up the info on his ship and found he had base resists of 92% versus EM (that was before the EM resist nerf). That was my first experience of PvP and I treasure it to this day. I have had lot's of such great experiences flying against U'K. If you try to pass of U'K as a failed RP alliance that's actually one of the few things that will make me lose respect for you - and fast. If any present or former U'K pilots feel the need to bear a grudge against CVA and all it's pilots for what has happened that is for you to decide. But please do not presume to think that such feelings are automatically returned. While I can't speak for every member of CVA, I can certainly say that there still is a lot of respect towards you guys by many of us.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:28:00 - [102] Originally by: Butter Dog PS - post with your CVA main He doesn't have a CVA main. He is a Providence resident. ________________ God is my Wingman
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:39:00 - [103] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus If you try to pass of U'K as a failed RP alliance that's actually one of the few things that will make me lose respect for you - and fast. He isn't doing that, hence the " around the word 'failed'. He is running a parody of what other people say. Nice post by the way, I enjoyed reading it. Some of my best PvP memories also come from flying with (rather than against) UK and in particular the 'First Seige of 9UY' against a pirate coalition. That is where I cut my teeth as a nooblar FC and got my first capital kills Those days, Hardin actually helped UK (secretly) by hunting said pirates in their lowsec points and camping the pipes for us. I think the distaste for CVA and Algey's post reflects the fact that you went into 'win at all cost' mode in conquering their static assets. Your long time RP buddies in U'K and many observers like me were left feeling a little betrayed by all of that nonsense. You can juxtapose that with Hardins initial repsonse of covert assistance in the first siege of 9UY. Sure, objectives change, but you lost the RP credibility you previously had because it was so obvious you just wanted to 'win' and you really didn't care how that win was achieved. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:14:00 - [104] Originally by: Butter Dog Those days, Hardin actually helped UK (secretly) by hunting said pirates in their lowsec points and camping the pipes for us. Oh we made no secret of it The issue was one of roleplay style. I have always felt, and always preached, that roleplay MUST have meaning. There is no difference between roleplay and nonroleplay organizations. If CVA loses a fight, it's not because we are lolrpers...it's because we were outfought. If Ushra'Khan retained its space, it should've been through better planning and fighting, not because CVA decided to pat them on the head and say "you're smaller, but for the sake of roleplay we're gonna let you live." That's horrible roleplay. The conflict between loyalists and terrorists is bitter and no-holds-barred. There's no reason to ever hold back. Ushra'Khan didn't hold back...they had some of the best pvp organizations in the game helping 'em out at the beginning of the 9uy seige. We didn't hold back...we brought our allies as well. If we lost rp credibility for playing hard and fast and not making our "roleplay" some jokey little slapfest where everybody's alive and okay at the end of the day and nothing ever changes...then it's credibility we didn't want or need, to be honest. That's seriously the silliest thing I've heard...that we don't have credibility as roleplayers because we made our roleplay actually matter.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:22:00 - [105] Originally by: Garreck Ushra'Khan didn't hold back...they had some of the best pvp organizations in the game helping 'em out at the beginning of the 9uy seige. We didn't hold back...we brought our allies as well. I don't want to play CAOD tit-for-tat with you, but CVA started it. Before a shot was fired you brought along all the Providence residents and you had no idea Outbreak or Evoke were going to get involved. There was no 'plan' to involve them at all, but without their intervention the seige would have lasted as long as the reinforced timers. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:28:00 - [106] Originally by: Butter Dog I don't want to play CAOD tit-for-tat with you, but CVA started it. Before a shot was fired you brought along all the Providence residents and you had no idea Outbreak or Evoke were going to get involved. There was no 'plan' to involve them at all, but without their intervention the seige would have lasted as long as the reinforced timers. You're arguing a point that doesn't matter. There's no accusation being levied here. Of course CVA started it...it was us seiging them. That has to start with us.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:29:00 - [107] God... this again. For the record, what is being said here by my fellow UK members is only half of the story. CVA know the whole story. They ignored it. I will not repeat it. Lets just say that regardless of what has been put here by our newer members (who were part of the siege but from the outside) the issue is far more deeper than CVA simply taking our space. Though people like Garreck in the CVA would have everyone believe that is all we are angry about. In face I agree with his last post about winning and losing on merits. CVA put together a heavy force for an objective and met it. This is not why I personally have no respect for CVA anymore. It has been said enough times though. Now lots stop derailing this thread please and just drop it. And on that, CVA, it is not only us that derailed this thread. It takes two to tango... And you dance so well. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Butter Dog I don't want to play CAOD tit-for-tat with you, but CVA started it. Before a shot was fired you brought along all the Providence residents and you had no idea Outbreak or Evoke were going to get involved. There was no 'plan' to involve them at all, but without their intervention the seige would have lasted as long as the reinforced timers. You're arguing a point that doesn't matter. There's no accusation being levied here. Of course CVA started it...it was us seiging them. That has to start with us. You're either trolling me or you are accidentally missing your own point. You made the point that you brought all of the non-RP allies because UK brought everything to the table, so you had to. That was the clear implication. That is incorrect. You set the tone. You made the call. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Darius Shakor ABC, I don't personally see any UK trying to take total credit for IAC's demise. [other sentences] I think Zoolkhan just pointed out (in his incomplete English due to language translator difficulties in his pod) that when IAC came to Curse to hit UK it had over 1000 people and left unsuccessful with around 300 of them. Not because of us, but more because of IAC itself biting off more than it could chew with everything else on their plate. The 700 or so who left IAC when it was retreating to Curse were leaving anyway. It had nothing to do with UK or biting off more than it could chew in regards to UK. I don't see how the above doesn't at least subtlely imply that UK had some effect on this reduction in the member count. The shrinking of IAC was a domino effect of everything else; the alliance reorganization, the standing reset with goons (which would have happened sooner or later anyway), AAA rolling in, the fact that so many corps jumped ship at the beginning of the campaign. The only reason it didn't happen faster is some wanted to stay and fight, until JZV was lost. An organization outside of an alliance can not destroy it. An organization outside of an alliance can take that alliance's space, it can destroy its assets, but it can not break its unity of purpose. An alliance is destroyed from within when the corps that are a part of that alliance no longer have unity of purpose. Chaos often leads to a loss of unity, but it is still the alliance that destroys itself. I very much enjoyed my time as part of IAC. I hope that the new purpose (whatever it may be) leads you to interesting journies.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:59:00 - [110] Originally by: Ariashley Originally by: Darius Shakor ABC, I don't personally see any UK trying to take total credit for IAC's demise. [other sentences] I think Zoolkhan just pointed out (in his incomplete English due to language translator difficulties in his pod) that when IAC came to Curse to hit UK it had over 1000 people and left unsuccessful with around 300 of them. Not because of us, but more because of IAC itself biting off more than it could chew with everything else on their plate. The 700 or so who left IAC when it was retreating to Curse were leaving anyway. It had nothing to do with UK or biting off more than it could chew in regards to UK. I don't see how the above doesn't at least subtlely imply that UK had some effect on this reduction in the member count. The shrinking of IAC was a domino effect of everything else; the alliance reorganization, the standing reset with goons (which would have happened sooner or later anyway), AAA rolling in, the fact that so many corps jumped ship at the beginning of the campaign. The only reason it didn't happen faster is some wanted to stay and fight, until JZV was lost. An organization outside of an alliance can not destroy it. An organization outside of an alliance can take that alliance's space, it can destroy its assets, but it can not break its unity of purpose. An alliance is destroyed from within when the corps that are a part of that alliance no longer have unity of purpose. Chaos often leads to a loss of unity, but it is still the alliance that destroys itself. I very much enjoyed my time as part of IAC. I hope that the new purpose (whatever it may be) leads you to interesting journies. You seem to have misinterprited what I said because what you said is what I was saying too. With regards to biting off more than they could chew I was not talking about UK I was talking about the whole package. Hence the domino effect you mentioned came about. Hope that makes it clearer. And yes, absoloutly an alliance is only dead when the members kills it, not when someone else takes their space. UK knows this only too well. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:54:00 - [111] Originally by: Butter Dog You made the point that you brought all of the non-RP allies because UK brought everything to the table, so you had to. That was the clear implication. That is incorrect. You set the tone. You made the call. I see what you mean. You're wrong: U'K brought in the Providence community by expanding their target selection on their patrols beyond CVA. This, again, was good roleplay: "neutral" targets operating inside CVA space make realistic targets for folks roleplaying terrorists. It was a good dynamic rp move for U'K to make. But as with anything in Eve, it had consequences: it became the Providence community's interest to see U'K lose their powerbase in Providence. Hence their involvement. It was not random, it was not a bunch of outsiders. It was victims of U'K actions who helped us remove them from Providence.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:28:00 - [112] Originally by: Garreck I see what you mean. You're wrong: U'K brought in the Providence community by expanding their target selection on their patrols beyond CVA. This, again, was good roleplay: "neutral" targets operating inside CVA space make realistic targets for folks roleplaying terrorists. It was a good dynamic rp move for U'K to make. No, you're wrong. You actively encouraged those parties to fight on 'your side'. UK maintained NRDS until they lost 9UY to you. How do I remember this? Because they forced my corp to practice NRDS in Providence as a condition of our docking rights. They only announced NBSI in Providence (and NRDS elsewhere) after you took 9UY in the 'Providence Must Burn' thread in the IGS. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [113] Originally by: Butter Dog UK maintained NRDS until they lost 9UY to you. How do I remember this? Because they forced my corp to practice NRDS in Providence as a condition of our docking rights. Not sayin' they weren't NRDS. They just set people in CVA space red I guess. If it was terribly relevant years after the fact, I suppose I could dig up plenty of threads from Providence neutrals telling U'K to take their roleplay somewhere else or IGS threads where PIE and CVA condemned U'K's attacks in Providence and Amarr space against targets deemed to be slaver sympathizers... These discussions really never get anywhere, though, because the feelings are too strong for whatever reason...and then folks such as yourself who have been around the conflict only from the time of the perceived wrong onward claim to have better knowledge than those who have been around the conflict from years beforehand.
El Torrent Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Garreck I see what you mean. You're wrong: U'K brought in the Providence community by expanding their target selection on their patrols beyond CVA. This, again, was good roleplay: "neutral" targets operating inside CVA space make realistic targets for folks roleplaying terrorists. It was a good dynamic rp move for U'K to make. No, you're wrong. You actively encouraged those parties to fight on 'your side'. UK maintained NRDS until they lost 9UY to you. How do I remember this? Because they forced my corp to practice NRDS in Providence as a condition of our docking rights. They only announced NBSI in Providence (and NRDS elsewhere) after you took 9UY in the 'Providence Must Burn' thread in the IGS. This is not really true. Back then Paxton Industries was a small corporation. Neutral to everybody as we back then wanted to stay. Then, comes along gank squad of nice U'K, attacking a ships of ours, and telling us that we have to negasiate blue standings with them, to not get shot at, by them. This made is easy which side for us, us an unexperienced corporation we disliked, and which side we liked. I shame, I no longer have combat/chat logs from back then. --
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:22:00 - [115] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Butter Dog UK maintained NRDS until they lost 9UY to you. How do I remember this? Because they forced my corp to practice NRDS in Providence as a condition of our docking rights. Not sayin' they weren't NRDS. They just set people in CVA space red I guess. If it was terribly relevant years after the fact, I suppose I could dig up plenty of threads from Providence neutrals telling U'K to take their roleplay somewhere else or IGS threads where PIE and CVA condemned U'K's attacks in Providence and Amarr space against targets deemed to be slaver sympathizers... These discussions really never get anywhere, though, because the feelings are too strong for whatever reason...and then folks such as yourself who have been around the conflict only from the time of the perceived wrong onward claim to have better knowledge than those who have been around the conflict from years beforehand. Of course UK were going to go after your pets, and I'm not surprised that you defended them. My point was that you're a 0.0 alliance that happens to do some roleplay on the side, and this still stands. UK were an inconvenience to your main goal, that of holding space in providence, which is why you mobilised such a fleet to remove them, spamming pos just before downtime rather than fighting "fairly". You can justify it however you like, and to be honest it doesn't even matter anymore (and we'll all believe our own viewpoint after all this time anyway). Personally I do not consider CVA to be a roleplay alliance, however many do. My opinion also doesn't change anything, but hey you're all going to hear it
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 04:48:00 - [116] This again? Clearly some parties still find the experience painfully near. The discourse here travels down the same worn path it did last time, and the time before. Better to just drop it.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 06:56:00 - [117] Originally by: Algey My point was that you're a 0.0 alliance that happens to do some roleplay on the side, and this still stands. That's a fair assessment. Personally, I'd put it the other way round. We're an RP alliance in 0.0. But fair enough. Originally by: Algey UK were an inconvenience to your main goal, that of holding space in providence, which is why you mobilised such a fleet to remove them, spamming pos just before downtime rather than fighting "fairly". While it is not any ultimate truth in any way, I'd like to throw in a thought of my own on this. These are simply how I'd "write the history" of a lot of events I really has only been a second hand witness to and a few I saw first hand. Back way before I started playing EvE CVA moved to Providence in order to "secure it for the Empire". A while later U'K moved there also, because they felt (justly) it would give a series of great opportunities for RP. Unfortunately, and pretty much unrealised by all, this meant that CVA would eventually fail. It pretty much gave CVA the choice between failing to securing Providence or failing to live up to RP expectations from many. Taking or not taking Unity would be the deciding factor. Would we fail in the eyes of ourselves or in the eyes of others? After 3 (?) years of fighting, CVA stood at the brink of "victory" (In lack of a better term). We suddently/finally/whatever had the capability of taking Unity and had to make a choice between the RP expectations and securing Providence. The choice was made to follow up on the original Providence RP objective and also to hold true to our non RP friends here. The options were "Fail_1" or "Fail_2" and CVA chose "Fail_2". Anyways, this is certainly not a true story of old events, it is simply the story as I see it. Originally by: Algey You can justify it however you like, and to be honest it doesn't even matter anymore (and we'll all believe our own viewpoint after all this time anyway). I quoted this because I'm completely in agreement. I'm very sorry for the bad feelings between U'K and CVA, I truly am. However, I also feel that the path we've all been down was laid before us a long time ago. In my view, noone is to blame (although I know most U'K pilots feel differently). Regardless of how U'K feel towards CVA you have my respect. Whereever you decide to go from here you have my best wishes. If you should happen to go in front of my lasers you'll also have something more than that. I'll leave it at this and bow out of this discussion here. I believe Pezzle is right, and I'm afraid nothing good will come of bringing up these old grudges again. PS. I feel somewhat responsible for derailing this thread completely from it's original IAC content. Does that make me a real CAOD poaster? Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:55:00 - [118] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus After 3 (?) years of fighting, CVA stood at the brink of "victory" (In lack of a better term). We suddently/finally/whatever had the capability of taking Unity and had to make a choice between the RP expectations and securing Providence. I think the bitterness is more to do with the fact that CVA was not on that brink. CVA along with a huge blob of allies yes, CVA, no. Imagine if UK had called in MC or something equally silly, and you'd have an idea of how people at the time felt about it. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus PS. I feel somewhat responsible for derailing this thread completely from it's original IAC content. Does that make me a real CAOD poaster? I must admit that this is an epic derail, however IAC don't need the thread anymore
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco	Posted - 2008.10.14 10:15:00 - [119] Ill have to throw in a shoe here and just say: I hope that IAC can be put down and die, I wish this would have been done from the start since what was IAC (i.e JZV and/or executing corps) is now dead, nothing of the IAC we created is left, be that our inability to retain it or many outside factors it does not matter. IAC as a faction was formed on good friends that wanted a place in 0.0 to build a community to have fun and fight drunken battles, much of what we had was great, lots of corps and people have had fun with and in IAC. But since IAC early established a hold of JZV and in that put up stations, we grew together with the constellation. We always stated that we would wage a terrorist war from Curse if we ever lost it. Since we did not want to or were unable to unite against this hardtime IAC broke. I feel therefore a duty to let IAC die as an alliance so that we can remember the IAC that were, where we had fun, where we did stupid things and where we could call our home. I regret to this day that Genco cant call IAC home, we started this alliance with MINC, CELTS and TMK. Please do the right thing and let IAC be connected with JZV and drunken fighting and not some lame version of it. Regards, Abn Matar - 1st day member, ex. President, ex. Director and ex. Diplomat for IAC.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:54:00 - [120] Hey CVA people. Wondered if you'd answer somthing that's bugged me since you went for 9UY or bust. Were the then upcoming sovereignity changes, ie Jump Bridges, Cyno-Jammers and the like, a factor in your timescale? Realising that if you didn't mash us back then, then the whole job would have become a hell of a lot more difficult? --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------

CiderKing Gallente Perpetua Umbra	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:20:00 - [121] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Were the then upcoming sovereignity changes, ie Jump Bridges, Cyno-Jammers and the like, a factor in your timescale? Realising that if you didn't mash us back then, then the whole job would have become a hell of a lot more difficult? lol. Its been like 18 months and you guys are still crying about it. Maybe instead of derailing an IAC thread with CVA smack talk you should try and take your space back? -Cider IAC ex-BOS


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