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Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Ryysa Dunno, but I don't give a damn about Single Player games most of the time. Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal? Guess you're a relatively new gamer then. I remember a time before very many computer games were multiplayer, although since Pong can be played Multiplayer and is considered by many to be the first video game I guess I can't say multiplayer didn't exist at all until recently. To answer your question I play multiplayer and singleplayer games for different reasons but I very much enjoy both types of game. Thus just because you wouldn't want to play games without having a net connection and therefore don't care about the Steam DRM doesn't mean that its not a valid way to play. So the offline cracks do indeed have a point to many people out there. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Thuranni B and D	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Ryysa There are hacks to run any torrented steam game locally, but you still can't go online with it, making it a futile excercise. What's so futile about being able to play your single player games without needing to be connected to Steam 24/7 while playing them? Dunno, but I don't give a damn about Single Player games most of the time. Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal? The storyline. The single player experience (which vastly differs from the multiplayer one, most of the time. Have you played COD 4 single player? If not, you are missing out). Sometimes, you just dont want to have to interact with stupid people, etc etc etc etc. But honestly, go play the COD 4 single player campaign and then tell me that single player is obsolete.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:13:00 - [33] Just because you can count the games that have a decent singleplayer lately on a single hand's fingers doesn't mean there's no point in singleplayer games. As a side-note, how come there were no big "Quest" games lately ? You know, the kind Lucasart was famous for ? And by "lately", I mean this millennium... _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Thelying dutchman North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:18:00 - [34] anyone know how I can pirate eve BTW?
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:26:00 - [35] Find a station in low sec with a L4Q20 agent. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Thelying dutchman anyone know how I can pirate eve BTW? Buy a parrot, an eyepatch and a ticket to Fanfest. Apply eyepatch, place parrot on shoulder, go to the Fanfest and shout "YARRRR!!!" _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Akita T Just because you can count the games that have a decent singleplayer lately on a single hand's fingers doesn't mean there's no point in singleplayer games. As a side-note, how come there were no big "Quest" games lately ? You know, the kind Lucasart was famous for ? And by "lately", I mean this millennium... You mean like Hugo and Roger Wilco? And it seems to me nowadays companies aren't really making games anymore. They're creating playgrounds for lots of people to visit. Then the people come up with their own games to play with each other in the playground. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Thelying dutchman North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Akita T Just because you can count the games that have a decent singleplayer lately on a single hand's fingers doesn't mean there's no point in singleplayer games. As a side-note, how come there were no big "Quest" games lately ? You know, the kind Lucasart was famous for ? And by "lately", I mean this millennium... You mean like Hugo and Roger Wilco? And it seems to me nowadays companies aren't really making games anymore. They're creating playgrounds for lots of people to visit. Then the people come up with their own games to play with each other in the playground. 2 words: just realised, 2 words are actually 2 words coincidence..... or is it?????? SPACE MONKEYS!!!!!!!!!
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:55:00 - [39] In short they should encourage people to buy the games instead of pirating them by a. making them cheaper b. making the games easier to install without compromises Prevention is often useless... Because people will crack it, I do support basic strategies for prevention so it doesn't get too damn easy. Ridiculous stuff like starforce and drm, things that will compromise the frigging OS of the system are a no no... And why would you force this SHIT upon your legal customers when it just gets ripped out of the pirate versions... I think that companies should start realizing that drm is NOT a solution... It drives me mad. I do not see why it would work, because it DOES NOT WORK Spore was THE example for that. And really, make a game work, I pirated BF2 a few years back, liked the game, so I bought it so I could do online etc... Only the legal version did not work... it simply did not work, it crashed and shit... and I had specially reinstalled windows so the pirated version would not compromise the legal game... I got it working after a lot of bullshit and customer support and telephone rage, where I had to manually update a file, but the pirate version actually worked the first time I installed, imagine that. Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:57:00 - [40] imho pirating music or games is theft, illegal, and should be fined heavily. i have no respect for thieves: if you can't get what you want by legal means then you fail in life. it's a bit like the question "is theft/logoffs in eve right?". at the end of the day just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do. depends on your character though. i've left two corps on principle due to the weak ceos stealing assets for instance.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Corwain You mean like Hugo and Roger Wilco? Yeah... the things Sierra and Lucasart pushed out heavily in the last 15 years of the past millennium. Things like the Space Quest series (Sierra also did Leisure Suit Larry, King's Quest and Police Quest, but the latter two are not really favourites of mine) and the plethora of Lucasart titles - Loom, the Monkey Island series, the Indiana Jones series, Full Throttle, The Dig, Grim Fandango... and so many more. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Marie Duvolle Toxic Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:17:00 - [42] If a game is good I'll buy it anyway. If it's crap then I guess the makers hoped we'd be tricked into buying something that wasn't worth the money, in which case I have no (moral) problems with just playing the pirated version. Some games I'll buy without "checking them first". Stuff like the HL series, GTA and some others. I mostly play MMO's anyway. Don't stir the hornet's nest
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:18:00 - [43] Sounds like you need to take a look at indie developers as I belive those are indie devs speacialty. In fact the infamous Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation did some of those type games I believe. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Florio it's a bit like the question "is theft/logoffs in eve right?". Yeah, I stopped reading right there. You think stealing ingame items or logging off in combat is an IRL crime...lol -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Akita T Well, bottom line is, DRM doesn't work anymore, and can't possibly work in the future. Just look at games like Sins of a Solar Empire, absolutely no DRM at all, and buying the game automatically earned you an account to the matchmaking server. Was it all over the place on the internet ? You bet. Did more people play the game than people who bought the game ? Almost certainly. Were Stardock, the developers/distributors/whatever happy about it ? HELL YEAH. And why exactly is that ? Because their little game was awesome, and everybody would talk about it, having played it and loved it even if they didn't buy it... and a lot of them WOULD eventually buy it, while at the same time generating so much word-of-mouth publicity that would cost the company bundles. Overall, they made a lot more money like that. Or, look at games like EVE. Sure, you could try and reverse engineer the server, but who would you play with ? And there would be no regular updates and such. You can pay whenever you like to come back, if you don't like it you can quit for a while... but you will most likely be back eventually. So, yeah, THAT direction is the future. Piling on a lot of DRM on a substandard, overhyped, insane-developement-cost game isn't. Funnly enuff a game I bought without trying it...Have no intention of buying any game with install restrictions though. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
NeoShocker Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 08/10/2008 17:05:25 Originally by: NeoShocker Plus games to be online to verify (extra anti-piracy measures). No DRM and shits like those. You just contradicted yourself within a single sentence. Going online to "verify" something is DRM. Get your facts straight. People need to realize that no matter how much copyprotection they pour into a singleplayer game it won't make more people buy it. You're right, but at least they're not programs that needed to be installed with or without you knowing, and a program that you can't remove that DRM in spore game unless you reformat. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Corwain Sounds like you need to take a look at indie developers as I belive those are indie devs speacialty. In fact the infamous Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation did some of those type games I believe. Played them both before he was an "internet celeb" already. Not particularly long nor hard games (not that good-looking nor with a particularly good story either), but better than nothing, I suppose. A bit of really dark humour in them too. _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Florio imho pirating music or games is theft, illegal, and should be fined heavily. i have no respect for thieves: if you can't get what you want by legal means then you fail in life. it's a bit like the question "is theft/logoffs in eve right?". at the end of the day just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do. depends on your character though. i've left two corps on principle due to the weak ceos stealing assets for instance. Actually its IP infrigment a civil matter not a criminal one. For it to be theft you have to derpive them of it...pirating games does not do this. But having to sit through antipricay adverts i can't skip on for instance DVDs makes me more likley to pirate them not less. Sitting though 30 fecking minutes of shit adverts makes me less likley to go to the pictures. Basicly the more they do dumbassed shit to try and stop it the more likley they are to cause it. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:35:00 - [49] When people say, "oh, the games of today aren't as good as the classics..." It's really just nostalgia talking. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:40:00 - [50] Edited by: Dirtee Girl on 08/10/2008 21:41:06 personally i dont go for pirate games tbh games like master of orion - starcraft - warcraft - battlefield - homeworld - these games were epic and i bought them all including many others . when it come to pirating game i look at it as ghetto . call me elitist but if you cant afford 30-50bucks for a game maybe you should get a job instead wasting your time on games tbh but i will confess to some instances of music piracy but i will pay for music downloads unless im looking for something hard to find or exobitantly priced at which point i set my sails for pirate bay * *
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Dirtee Girl Edited by: Dirtee Girl on 08/10/2008 21:41:06 personally i dont go for pirate games tbh games like master of orion - starcraft - warcraft - battlefield - homeworld - these games were epic and i bought them all including many others . when it come to pirating game i look at it as ghetto . call me elitist but if you cant afford 30-50bucks for a game maybe you should get a job instead wasting your time on games tbh but i will confess to some instances of music piracy but i will pay for music downloads unless im looking for something hard to find or exobitantly priced at which point i set my sails for pirate bay Hypocrite much? ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:49:00 - [52] Originally by: Atomos Darksun When people say, "oh, the games of today aren't as good as the classics..." It's really just nostalgia talking. There is no modern strategy game that can compete with MAX (mechanized assault and exploration) in its field. pity my dosbox doesnt want to play with other people :\ Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Akita T yawn I never knew it was possible to stretch your ego THAT much in 1 post
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Ryysa Dunno, but I don't give a damn about Single Player games most of the time. Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal? Because sometimes you just don't want to put up with other people? I know, I'm late, but I just finished the first stalker game. I haven't even tried the MP yet. Sure, Coop would have been nice, but meh. Also, Dwarf fortress. I mean, that wasn't hard, was it?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Atomos Darksun When people say, "oh, the games of today aren't as good as the classics..." It's really just nostalgia talking. No, it's really not JUST nostalgia talking. Nostalgia might be a significant part of it, but it's certainly not all. I look at games nowadays and all I see is one big bucket of casual games (the likes of Peggle and tons of Flash games), a huge chunk of FPSs that have nothing really inovative in them (with the odd exception every now and then) other than increasingly shiny graphics that require a supercomputer to run on full detail, a sizeable portion of formulaic and/or clickfest fantasy/RPG/whatever games with a story rivaling B-rated movie quality and the occasional RTS that's usually YetAnotherSequel and suffers from the same affliction the FPS games do (m-m-monster computer). Name ONE half-decent/noteworthy game that came out in the past three years that is what we used to call a "Quest" or (in other genres) any game that surpasses the likes of Master of Orion 2, Alpha Centauri or Homeworld, a game that's not just a convoluted sequel capitalizing on the predecesor's former glory (see Heroes of Might and Magic 4 and 5, Civilisation 4 and so on - although Civ4 is almost decent, it doesn't really have all that much going for it over the previous ones gameplay-wise). _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Akita T Name ONE half-decent/noteworthy game that came out in the past three years that is what we used to call a "Quest" or (in other genres) any game that surpasses the likes of Master of Orion 2, Alpha Centauri or Homeworld, a game that's not just a convoluted sequel capitalizing on the predecesor's former glory (see Heroes of Might and Magic 4 and 5, Civilisation 4 and so on - although Civ4 is almost decent, it doesn't really have all that much going for it over the previous ones gameplay-wise). I just mentioned stalker Yes, it's yet another FPS with some fluff... but the creepy feeling you get in the underground labs on your first go at the game... priceless.
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:08:00 - [56] no not really i just will pay for what i can have but if no reasonable pay service can be found i will download the song * *
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:10:00 - [57] Edited by: Akita T on 08/10/2008 22:13:52 I think this is probably the time I should mention I never finished the single-player (from start to finish, no cheats, no nothing) any Quake nor any Half-Life, nor just about any other FPS that was ever created. I usually like to look at somebody else play it or, if such a person is unavailable, if the game allows it, play it with "infinite ammo, invulnerable, and if there's a noclip/fly cheatcode, bring it on too". P.S. The multiplayer though, oh yeah... can't count how much time I wasted in my highschool/college years going rocket launcher / X-bow / sniper rifle / other-stabby-or-shooty-or-exploday-implement all over some poor guy _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:21:00 - [58] Edited by: P''uck on 08/10/2008 22:22:43 I dunno, I finished HL1 on hard when it came out because everybody was talking about it, and i wanted to see what the hype was all about. It was alright, especially the squad AI of the marines, I had my fun. Nothing REALLY great, tho. The main thing about HL was... it gave us the engine for all those wonderful mods out there. but stalker on the other hand... its a mixture of burntime/morrowind/FPS and the book called "roadside picnic". (which i suggest you read, only 120 pages or so)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:47:00 - [59] Originally by: P'uck book called "roadside picnic" which i suggest you read If you mean the Strugatsky brothers book, you're only about 15 years late with that suggestion _ Alternate resist display \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:50:00 - [60] well, then go ahead and play stalker already! only difference, its chernobyl and not the aliens.

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