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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:27:00 -
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Personally I'm a "try" before you buy man myself. DVDs and Games, if I like it I will buy it.
I was looking into buying Crysis: Warhead (as I have Crysis), which uses sony's SecurRom DRM (Which is a rootkit). It seems that it prevents programs like Process Explorer from running, and the 5 activations deal is not what I want. I use my PC as a multiplatform, which includes swapping out components when needed, and hot-swappable HDD's. I don't really want to take the chance that switching a small part of my system will cause me to lose an activation. In one day, I could easily brick my game. I also have to 'reformat' every few weeks because of the specialised tools I use.
And whatever EA says, about releasing a program for deactivating an install, I don't believe them. They know that their customer service is horrendous and expensive. Why throw away that cash cow!
By the way, its taken me almost three, THREE months from installing BF2142 to being able to play a whole game online without getting disconnect/kicked errors because of the crap. EA customer support repeatedly told me to go to a support page where half of the buttons and graphics never showed up, and the knowledge base was a fountain of well, not knowledge.
Turns out, that the program to record the encoded cdkey to the registry couldn't even get that right and was inserting a duplicate part of the code.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 08/10/2008 23:36:59
You can buy Crysis Warhead off of steam, btw. Unless it still includes the rootkit.
And I will cherish the day when someone brings these DRM ****sticks to court for these privacy invading rootkits. With half of the DRM technology out there the companies could get access to any of your information they wanted to.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.10.09 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtee Girl
if you cant afford 30-50bucks for a game maybe you should get a job instead wasting your time on games tbh
I just picked up a pristine copy of Suikoden II for $110 
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:36:00 -
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I never understood why one would pay full price for a game anyway. I mean, it's really simple... you wait 2-6 months, and get your game as low as 5 bucks, sometimes. Well okay, sometimes it can take over a year.
But what are we? Fashion victims that run to the store as soon as some new crap hits the shelves? I think when you pay full price for a new game, you pay "idiocy tax". They just try to sell as many copies as possible at this horribly overpriced rate. But what do I know, could be totally wrong, too.
But in the end I get the best of both worlds: prices that border on piracy and the good feeling of "hey I pay for my games".
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:45:00 -
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If the game isnt in the shops: ei GAME.
Dont expect me to pay for it, for instance, i never paid for Freelancer, Sudden Strike Forever, and Diblo II, Because they re just too old to look and pay for them in 2008.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:56:00 -
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for completeness sake, that's not true for diablo II.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.10.09 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Friendly on 09/10/2008 02:11:55
I reserve the right to try all games for free before I buy them. And buy them I do, provided they aren't crap. If they're crap, they get deleted from my computer and I tell everyone who asks that they're crap. I simply won't pay money to be disappointed. However, I happily pay for games worth playing.
PC sales might be down, but that's more to do with shit games than it is piracy (I doubt 15 year old Johnny who lives in his mum's basement would be able to afford more than one or two of those 50 pirated games he found on the 'net). $50 for a piece of garbage? LOL. Is there a bridge I can buy as well?
I dl'd Crysis... I played it for 30 minutes then deleted it. It was shit.
I dl'd Bioshock. 2 hours later, I went and bought it. It was great.
Same goes for movies: I've previewed 1000's of movies over the past few years, but only fully watched a couple hundred. My purchased movie collection is ~250 dvd's. Notice a correlation?
If studios put out less shit, they might see more sales. Right now, they expect to pump out crap and expect me to buy it no matter the quality. **** that.
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DFox31
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.09 08:34:00 -
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I just don't get how these game company's are charging these prices for pure hype, not releasing demo's until the games have been out for a long ass time hoping you buy it before you play, then not to mention the fact that most pirated games run better then store bought. For instance a friend with ArmA was able to load up and get into a server before I was even at the main menu.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.09 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So, yeah, THAT direction is the future.
I sincerely hope not. Fighting lag, hoping the internet connection isn't going to fail at a crucial moment and forcing gamers to have an internet connection just to play is't a way forward, it's a huge step backward.
NOTHING will prevent piracy, not even making all games online. Hackers will simply create their own servers to allow users to play for free. Don't say anything about costs, there are no profits in uploading cracked software to the internet either and now home broadband is faster, creating a server is childsplay on a home computer.
What the software companies need to do is cut the anti-piracy methods, reduce costs and release software at a reasonable price. I recently bought a full price game at 17 UKP and it's just been released, it's called The Witcher. It's an excellent game. Nothing but a standard serial number and it has sold like wildfire because it's nice and cheap. It's about time other software companies followed their example. The main reason for people pirating software now is that software houses have priced themselves out of the average market. Nobody wants to pay 40 to 50 bucks for a game and nobody wants a piece of garbage for that price so 'try before you buy' is a must. At less than half that price, people wouldn't be so concerned if it was utter rubbish so they are more likely to buy it instead of wasting bandwidth.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.10.09 08:55:00 -
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I generally don't pirate games and will go to some length to aquire games I want (took me 2-3 months of searching to get a EU copy of Advent Rising for PC for instance), but sometimes it's the only way of getting it (some games never get released here, although that is rare) and at other times it's just to old to find anymore.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:23:00 -
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Steal this !
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:19:00 -
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The copy protection for games and other software is bullcrap.
I buy the stuff I use, and the measures they take to prevent pirating are kicking me in the behind.
Example 1) "DTM racing" (from codemasters - old title)
I bought that game a few years back and installed it on my PC.
Sometime later a friend of mine who does music, gave a concert.
I was the one taking the pictures.
When I tried to import the pictures to my PC via my SanDisc reader it did not work, and I ended up loosing the photos.
Turned out, this was due to some copy protection by codemasters that disabled virtual drives (on purpose!). This copy protection software saw my SanDisc drive as a virtual drive and caused it to malfunction.
I thought about sueing Codemasters for the irrepairable loss of the concert photos, but eventually I just deinstalled the game and threw it away.
Needless to say that codemasters products will never be bought by me again.
2) Windows XP "genuine advantage"
Yes, I know it is not a game, but worth a mention.
The XP genuine advantage patch checks on your computer for installed MS products, it checks harddrive ID, IP adress etc. and then sends this information to MS. Once installed, this patch can neither be disabled, nor disinstalled. It is spyware, but neccessary to recieve new updates.
I hope all software I need will sometime be available on Linux.
If this ever happens, these companies screwing with customers who bought their software will get the boot from me. Permanently.
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Brigsby5987
Caldari
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:01:00 -
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pirating is only wrong when you can go to the store or online to buy the software with no issues, in a reasonable amount of time.
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nahtoh
Caldari
StrikerCorp
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Brigsby5987
pirating is only wrong when you can go to the store or online to buy the software with no issues, in a reasonable amount of time.
Well thst me in clear for the last bit of it i did...don't sell it for download in the UK...and had a order in foir 3 months for a hard copy then nver got round to sending me...bastards.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:16:00 -
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My thoughts on software piracy?
Software piracy is never legal, and is always unethical UNLESS: the company who owns the software does not care. Also potentially, once the company stops distributing the software, and the software is "abandoned".
However, I also believe that EULAs and DRMs are unethical, as it violates the ethical principals of Veracity, Non Maleficence, Fidelity.
Some explanation is due:
Veracity - The duty to tell the truth, and not be deceptive. DRMs, by their very nature, do not reveal to the client what they are doing to their computer. Furthermore, EULAs have been written BY lawyers, FOR lawyers. Even if the client actually reads the EULA, they are written in such an obfuscated (and long winded) way, that the client can't understand it. Or in other words, EULAs hide the truth by being hard to understand.
Non Maleficence - Duty to do no harm, not to interfere with legitimate interests of others and respect their autonomy. Many forms of DRMs have caused harm to the client's computers.
Fidelity - Duty to be faithful to the client's reasonable expectations; keep one's promises to clients. This is the big one. When someone goes to buy a game, they have a simple expectation: they pay money, they buy the game, they are able to play the game without restriction. In the case of Spore, the DRM prevents you from installing the game more than 3 times. The client doesn't know this because they don't read the EULA (and to be honest, can't be expected to read such legalese garbage).
ALSO, EULAs can't be read until AFTER you purchase the game.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:26:00 -
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DRM could be a useful and valuable tool if it wasn't used in an overzealous and excessive way.
At present it's an intrusive, buggy, useless and restrictive piece of shit that needs stamping out by a consumer boycott until it's removed and rethought.
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Kyrall
A Few Killers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
The XP genuine advantage patch checks on your computer for installed MS products, it checks harddrive ID, IP adress etc. and then sends this information to MS. Once installed, this patch can neither be disabled, nor disinstalled. It is spyware, but neccessary to recieve new updates.
Just for the record, WGA can be disabled and uninstalled. As you say however, it is necessary for new updates.
Interestingly, I know of two computers both with XP installed from the same dodgy disc. One is left without updates due to WGA, the other auto-updates with no problems whatsoever. Go figure.
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Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal?
Pretty much the same reason why I don't play chess at a day-care.
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.10.15 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrall
Originally by: Victor Vision
The XP genuine advantage patch checks on your computer for installed MS products, it checks harddrive ID, IP adress etc. and then sends this information to MS. Once installed, this patch can neither be disabled, nor disinstalled. It is spyware, but neccessary to recieve new updates.
Just for the record, WGA can be disabled and uninstalled. As you say however, it is necessary for new updates.
Interestingly, I know of two computers both with XP installed from the same dodgy disc. One is left without updates due to WGA, the other auto-updates with no problems whatsoever. Go figure.
MS WGA can be disabled and uninstalled you say?
This surprises me. I read the EULA that comes up before installing it, and in the EULA it is explicitly stated that WGA can not be uninstalled or disabled once patched into the operating system.
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Kyrall
A Few Killers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
MS WGA can be disabled and uninstalled you say?
This surprises me. I read the EULA that comes up before installing it, and in the EULA it is explicitly stated that WGA can not be uninstalled or disabled once patched into the operating system.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=get+rid+of+wga
_____ Originally by: Ryysa,Pwett
Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal?
Pretty much the same reason why I don't play chess at a day-care.
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 15/10/2008 11:42:57
Originally by: Kyrall
Originally by: Victor Vision
MS WGA can be disabled and uninstalled you say?
This surprises me. I read the EULA that comes up before installing it, and in the EULA it is explicitly stated that WGA can not be uninstalled or disabled once patched into the operating system.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=get+rid+of+wga
Thanks for the info Kyrall.
The sites that are linked there are giving hacks as a solution.
(One official MS method, but that is only for pre-release WGA)
I do not want to hack windows - dont forget, I paid cash for it.
So my version passes any and all WGA checks.
What annoys me, is that MS spies on their paying customers.
I would have no problem with a windows validation check - that notifies me about sending data to MS and gives an accept/deny option - whenever I want to download windows updates or optional software.
But WGA works in the background. I have no ways of knowing when it sends data to MS. Also I have no ways of knowing which data it sends. MS says it is "only" harddrive ID and information on all MS programs installed on the PC.
Mistrust works two ways. If MS does not trust me, why in the world should I trust them? If I do not trust MS, then it is neccesary to have a built in way into WGA for me, the customer, to switch it on/off whenever i want. Also WGA needs to include a tool to show which data EXACTLY it is sending to MS. For all I know it may be sending my secret blueprints of a perpetuum mobile to MS 
All of this should not come in the form of a hack or third pirty software. I paid for the windows license - and at the time of buying did NOT agree to be spied on!
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Ryysa
Paisti
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Ryysa
Dunno, but I don't give a damn about Single Player games most of the time. Why would you play Single Player when you have todays internet connectivity at your disposal?
Guess you're a relatively new gamer then. I remember a time before very many computer games were multiplayer, although since Pong can be played Multiplayer and is considered by many to be the first video game I guess I can't say multiplayer didn't exist at all until recently.
Actually I played games since about 1990-1991. I don't have time anymore, but multiplayer seemed like a natural evolution to me, then MMORPG's came.
I still think that consoles are better suited for singleplayer games - most of the better titles are on them atm. Co-op is also a good idea, that way you avoid the hordes of tards online and can still play with a friend or such.
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