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GM Nova	Posted - 2008.10.08 17:48:00 - [1] Dear players. Most of my time these days is spent investigating and fixing accounts which have allegedly been hacked. This has always been a problem but it seems to be gaining momentum. Vast majorities of hacking instances is caused by players sharing their account details and are not hacked in any way. Some 18 months ago I wrote a Dev Blog on the issue where I discussed this problem. You can read it here. As I mentioned, recently we have seen an increase in ôhackingö cases. I want to reiterate that if you share your account login information with anyone, you are at risk of being robbed of your account, character and assets. Damages that result from ôhackingö or account sharing can in some cases not be repaired by us. So, please, please, please, do NOT share your account with anyone at all, and if you have done so, change your password at once. We have also seen various phishing attempts, most recently on youtube where players were asked to send their account name and password to a certain hotmail address under the guise of teaching players how to hack other Eve accounts. We have also seen adverts for macro programs, money spawn programs and other bogus cheat programs whose only purpose is to inject a keylogger in to the curious personÆs computer. None of these marvelous cheat programs work and are only designed to rob your account. We have seen ISK sellers rob their customers of the very ISK they purchased. We have seen long time friends steal from each other and lose their precious friendship, one of the most valuable things in personÆs lives. We are also told that various alliance forums have been attacked by hackers and in some cases been successful. What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets, as they sometimes register on these forums with their characternames and use the same password for the forums as they would for EVE. This is an eccentric habit for some, to use the same password for everything. This is a good time to remind you that computer hacking is not only a despicably immoral thing to do, but it is illegal in most civilized countries, carrying severe punishments in some. Hackers are criminals. In conclusion we ask you to please make sure your EVE password is unique, and that you never, ever share your account with anyone. Never try out or use any ôcheatö or macro programs. Never answer emails or offers where you are asked for your account name and password, as we will never ask for this under any circumstances. Never visit ISK sellers websites as some of them are designed to install a Trojan virus on visitorÆs computers. The potential for damage is huge and has ruined the game experience for many players. We will do whatever we can to help players but in some cases the damage is irreversible. Please be on your guard. Best regards, GM Nova Senior Game Master GM Nova Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support

Niraia Gallente GREY COUNCIL Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:06:00 - [2] Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that.
armas Gallente Dark Centuri Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:13:00 - [3] In essence, don't be stupid.
Martin Mckenna Digital assassins G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:30:00 - [4] Quote: Dear players. I am GM Nova The way you open your dev blog makes it sound like your accounts been hacked imo ---------------------------------------------
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:53:00 - [5] meh, if they buy isk they deserve to be hacked imo Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:55:00 - [6] Originally by: armas In essence, don't be stupid. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. I believe there was a case when an advertisement on Thottbot contained a keylogger, infecting all Internet Explorer users who happened to see that advertisement (hint - use Firefox, Google Chromium, Opera, or some other browser). My brother also got his account hacked once, and he claimed that he never downloaded anything or shared his account info at all.
Asestorian Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.08 18:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Taedrin My brother also got his account hacked once, and he claimed that he never downloaded anything or shared his account info at all. I don't know your brother, but if it were mine I wouldn't believe him. Just because ¼_¼ --- Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 08/10/2008 19:04:44 Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. No. Copypasta from wikipedia: Quote: The Jargon File, a compendium of hacker slang, defines hacker as "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary." [1] The Request for Comments (RFC) 1392, the Internet Users' Glossary, amplifies this meaning as "A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular." [2] These hackers are disappointed by the mass media and mainstream public's usage of the word hacker to refer to security breakers, calling them "crackers" instead. Being a hacker does not automatically mean compromising security, especially not for purposes of personal gain. Ask any real hacker, they will all tell you how what 95% of people call 'hackers' aren't. EDIT for other replies: Yes, if you use an insecure browser (coughIE*cough) is is very easy to be compromised by malware without downloading anything, and even without going onto a dodgy site (banner ads or XSS) This is not part of my sig. ...Or is it?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:22:00 - [9] Bring on the account security! -> Assembly Hall Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar

Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 08/10/2008 19:41:42 Hackers are not criminals. Phishers however, are, even though I have nothing against them eradicating the idiots that seem to endlessly spawn and **** up my game.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Sadly, it's the new meaning of the word. The meaning you and I assigned to it back when it meant something good is long gone. Corp and Personal killboard
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:53:00 - [12] in before the butthurt "but hackers are not criminals, i dont care what the common usage of the word is boo hoo" people fake edit: oh no i'm not :P
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:08:00 - [13] Originally by: GM Nova What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets I understand that one cannot change their character name, but for those players who have used the same name for the account, would it be possible for them to change their account name? (Short of paying US$60 for 3x character transfers from the existing account to a new account they create.) MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: armas In essence, don't be stupid. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. I believe there was a case when an advertisement on Thottbot contained a keylogger, infecting all Internet Explorer users who happened to see that advertisement (hint - use Firefox, Google Chromium, Opera, or some other browser). My brother also got his account hacked once, and he claimed that he never downloaded anything or shared his account info at all. Hint:Run XP as a limited user. That way applications can't install behnd your back. Sadly it can be a bit of a PITA sometimes so better yet... ..upgrade to Vista. That way you can log in as an adminstrator but the rights remain inactive until you give Vista permission to activate them. As an added bonus... IE7 (and presumably IE8) offer a special protected mode under Vista. That makes them more secure than any other browser. There are apparently tweaks you can apply to leverage this feature for Firefox but there are compatibility issues. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:22:00 - [15] Originally by: GM Nova We have also seen various phishing attempts, most recently on youtube where players were asked to send their account name and password to a certain hotmail address under the guise of teaching players how to hack other Eve accounts. That is awesome. The wannabe hackers get hacked. Then again, if they're stupid enough to fall for that old trick they probably have trouble figuring out how to re-boot their computer. __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. And I really hate it when people can't focus on what was intended instead of what was said.
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:52:00 - [17] lol at anal hackers. fight the good fight nova!
Nova Satar Malicious Intentions Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Sadly, it's the new meaning of the word. The meaning you and I assigned to it back when it meant something good is long gone. Its Situational context you *****s, EVE Account Hackers. I say anyone that shares their login is just asking for it.
Jethro Jechonias Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Another Forum'Alt Being a hacker does not automatically mean compromising security, especially not for purposes of personal gain. Depends on where you look for your definition: Quote: a microcomputer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems Context makes it obvious that GM Nova was not refering to the alternative definition: Quote: a computer enthusiast
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:55:00 - [20] Edited by: Banana Torres on 08/10/2008 20:55:41 Originally by: GM Nova Dear players. Vast majorities of hacking instances is caused by players sharing their account details and are not hacked in any way. Some 18 months ago I wrote a Dev Blog on the issue where I discussed this problem. Dear GM Nova Your protestations about account sharing has a hollow ring to it, when in the thread that accompanied your dev blog you made it quite clear that you intended to take no action against a then common form of account sharing. Love and Kisses, Banana Torres
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.10.08 21:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. LoL well not sure where your from but here in the US you can spend a long time in FED Pen for hacking. Hackers are Criminals, and need to be treated as such. Heads up CCP for keeping us informed on these matters
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:25:00 - [22] While I agree that GM Nova is a bit vague on hacker, I agree with him that it is only people who possess these skills that can obtain the account information and\or passwords through hacking.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:36:00 - [23] Originally by: GM Nova We are also told that various alliance forums have been attacked by hackers and in some cases been successful. What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets, as they sometimes register on these forums with their characternames and use the same password for the forums as they would for EVE. This is an eccentric habit for some, to use the same password for everything. Since when did CCP care about out-of-TQ matters about EVE now? -
Wrathraker Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:40:00 - [24] Hey GM Nova, nice post but you did leave out a few things out and for the sake of this post I will concentrate on just one. Others can pick other areas. With the recent CCP post here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=885394 about third party programs doing just the thing that you talk about here. CCP has been asked by players, forums and even CSM for dual skill training. There is no reason other then CCP not wanting to do it that it is not already in the game. Every time a new program comes out that opens a can of worms like you said it an opportunity for CCP to fix that problem in game. Being around since early beta I have seen this problem again and again yet I never see CCP fix the problem. All they do is warm people after the fact. In this case of accounts being hacked, this is like the 16th time there has been an official announcement on this. SO in addition to telling everyone that is reading the forums, only about 20% of your active subscribers and the ones most likely NOT being hacked, how about putting in the features (in this case it could be called a security feature) into the game that would prevent this from happening a second time.
Olleybear PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:51:00 - [25] I know CCP doesn't get alot of thanks for doing what they do ( too many trolling idiots around drowning everyone else out ). So I'm here to simply say, Thank-You for taking the time to tell people about these issues. <<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>>
Sensor Error Temple of the Blue Fish	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Why? Gaining unauthorised access to a computer is illegal, plain and simple. Technically, going round your mates and using his machine without his permission is just as illegal, but still. The point remains that hackers gain unauthorised access to computers, normally remotely. This is illegal, plain and simple, thus, they are criminals. the whole crackers/ hackers/ white hat/ black hat type issue is nothing to do with this. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Sensor Error Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Why? Gaining unauthorised access to a computer is illegal, plain and simple. Technically, going round your mates and using his machine without his permission is just as illegal, but still. The point remains that hackers gain unauthorised access to computers, normally remotely. This is illegal, plain and simple, thus, they are criminals. So I'm a criminal for coding, using open source software and building/modding computers? Hacker != cracker. facepalm.jpg This is not part of my sig. ...Or is it?
UnDeRBaLaNcE The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. LoL well not sure where your from but here in the US you can spend a long time in FED Pen for hacking. Hackers are Criminals, and need to be treated as such. Heads up CCP for keeping us informed on these matters How old are you? Hackers are not criminals, if they are criminals how come they are employed by companies and militaries of all countries? I guess they want to have criminals working for them for theyÆre awesome skills and mind blowing knowledge that most can barely grasp the beginning concepts of where to begin in this job field. Yes hackers can be bad people, but hacking does not refer to one as a criminal as it is a term to describe ones hobby or profession. The profession reaps great rewards and a hefty paycheck and in the US militaries an enormous bonus to prevent them being hired by civilian companies.
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. LoL well not sure where your from but here in the US you can spend a long time in FED Pen for hacking. Hackers are Criminals, and need to be treated as such. Heads up CCP for keeping us informed on these matters Not quite, Microsoft doesn't control the US .gov quite yet. I am sure when they do they will make open source, non-propietary code illegal along with non OEM built systems, but they aren't there yet. This is not part of my sig. ...Or is it?
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:33:00 - [30] Originally by: GM Nova Most of my time these days is spent investigating and fixing accounts which have allegedly been hacked. Yet you dont understand what a Hacker is... Explains a few things!

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.10.08 23:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Olleybear I know CCP doesn't get alot of thanks for doing what they do ( too many trolling idiots around drowning everyone else out ). So I'm here to simply say, Thank-You for taking the time to tell people about these issues. Thanks Olleybear. Please remember that the issue at hand is not what is or is not a hacker and their legality, it is that players are losing accounts to a variety of methods and that could potentially ruin over five years worth of gaming. I'm sure we'd all hate for that to happen to any of us. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Odhinn Vinlandii Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.09 00:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Hacking is breaking into someones house. Through a window, or through a wire it is the same thing. --- FreeBSD+WINE+EVE
Sensor Error Temple of the Blue Fish	Posted - 2008.10.09 00:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Another Forum'Alt Originally by: Sensor Error Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Why? Gaining unauthorised access to a computer is illegal, plain and simple. Technically, going round your mates and using his machine without his permission is just as illegal, but still. The point remains that hackers gain unauthorised access to computers, normally remotely. This is illegal, plain and simple, thus, they are criminals. So I'm a criminal for coding, using open source software and building/modding computers? Hacker != cracker. facepalm.jpg LOL, did you even READ my post? You know, the bit where I said ignoring the whole hacker/cracker/ white hat/ black hat/ any other name you want to stick on it? ok, let me re-write my original sentence, just for complete forest-gump types like you who are too busy getting themselves into a tiz for failing to comprehend that a word might have more meanings that what THEY think is the the "original" and "correct" meaning. The point remains that gaining unauthorised access to computers is illegal, plain and simple, thus, people who do this are criminals. Is that ok? or would you like the large print version with lots of nice pretty pictures? RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.10.09 01:41:00 - [34] Quote: How old are you? Hackers are not criminals, if they are criminals how come they are employed by companies and militaries of all countries? I guess they want to have criminals working for them for theyÆre awesome skills and mind blowing knowledge that most can barely grasp the beginning concepts of where to begin in this job field. Yes hackers can be bad people, but hacking does not refer to one as a criminal as it is a term to describe ones hobby or profession. The profession reaps great rewards and a hefty paycheck and in the US militaries an enormous bonus to prevent them being hired by civilian companies. bad analogy, i mean spies are hired by militaries all over the world are still considered criminals when caught. Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today!!!
Alizena	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:23:00 - [35] Lets give the whole hacker/cracker thing a rest for a second. An important question was brought up, is there a way that we can change our account name if it is the same as our character's name?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:22:00 - [36] oh come on! no need to warn the people who actually send their username/pw to some random hotmail address and at the related searches on that one page with the 2 definitions.
Jullliana	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:56:00 - [37] Will you asshats stop trying to define words in this thread because it's damm irritating and completely off topic. It's not a dictionary or thesaurus thread - it's a "use common sense" and "be careful" kind of thread. Nice one GM Nova for pointing out what is sadly not obvious to some people.
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 08:29:00 - [38] I hate having to quote myself because of CCP changing their standards of coverage of petition cases lately. I mean, seriously, double-standard much? Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Originally by: GM Nova We are also told that various alliance forums have been attacked by hackers and in some cases been successful. What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets, as they sometimes register on these forums with their characternames and use the same password for the forums as they would for EVE. This is an eccentric habit for some, to use the same password for everything. Since when did CCP care about out-of-TQ matters about EVE now? -
Jullliana	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Since when did CCP care about out-of-TQ matters about EVE now? When it affects in game stuff - using your eve user name and password for anything other than your eve account is just dumb! If you (or anyone) want to do that then fine - go ahead. CCP will take whatever money you've already paid and you will loose access to the game unless you create another account. CCP have warned everyone, in an attempt to reinforce common sense, and for that you seem to blame/chastise CCP??
Lubomir Penev Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Olleybear I know CCP doesn't get alot of thanks for doing what they do ( too many trolling idiots around drowning everyone else out ). They get a lot of money it should make up for it don't you think? -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Jullliana CCP have warned everyone, in an attempt to reinforce common sense, and for that you seem to blame/chastise CCP?? Double standards. CCP have stated since the start of EVE that they only care about ingame issues, and will not get involved in out-of-game matters that still relate to the game. What GM Nova said, whilst in good intentions I'm sure, goes against that. So they post warnings about alliance boards (that are obviously out-of-game resources) being "hacked" open just because they're related somehow to personal, player-to-TQ account security? Again, double standards. I'm not one to whistleblow, here, but if I had 1 isk for every time someone will (and they will, not if) take that completely the wrong way... -
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 09/10/2008 11:07:30 doublepost -
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:11:00 - [43] Originally by: GM Nova Hackers (edit; microcomputer users who attempt to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems) are criminals. You forgot to add that those that are getting hacked (microcomputer users who allows others to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems) are stupid. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Aramith	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Aramith on 09/10/2008 13:08:30 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Double standards. CCP have stated since the start of EVE that they only care about ingame issues, and will not get involved in out-of-game matters that still relate to the game. What GM Nova said, whilst in good intentions I'm sure, goes against that. So they post warnings about alliance boards (that are obviously out-of-game resources) being "hacked" open just because they're related somehow to personal, player-to-TQ account security? Again, double standards. I'm not one to whistleblow, here, but if I had 1 isk for every time someone will (and they will, not if) take that completely the wrong way... its not double standards. Its a warning that there are apparently people that already do this (that is sign up for corp or alliance forums with the same username and password as their TQ log-in) and these people are petitioning it. I imagine the petition reads something like "My alliance forums got hacked last week and now i think my in game account has been hacked too because my isk and ships are all trashed/gone/missing." In these cases there is not a whole lot the GM's can do so they are putting out the warning that we can not do much if you do something stupid like use the same login information for both your eve account and your corp/alliance forum account.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:32:00 - [45] Edited by: Adam Slysphere on 09/10/2008 16:36:01 Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 08/10/2008 20:16:57 Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: armas In essence, don't be stupid. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. I believe there was a case when an advertisement on Thottbot contained a keylogger, infecting all Internet Explorer users who happened to see that advertisement (hint - use Firefox, Google Chromium, Opera, or some other browser). My brother also got his account hacked once, and he claimed that he never downloaded anything or shared his account info at all. Hint:Run XP as a limited user. That way applications can't install behnd your back. Sadly it can be a bit of a PITA sometimes so better yet... ..upgrade to Vista. That way you can log in as an adminstrator but the rights remain inactive until you give Vista permission to activate them. As an added bonus... ..IE7 (and presumably IE8) offer a special protected mode under Vista. That makes them more secure than any other browser. There are apparently tweaks you can apply to leverage this feature for Firefox but there are compatibility issues. Or better yet, buy a Mac and never worry about security issues again!
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. I really hate it when old school people argue the definition of "hackers". The definition changed. It happens. Adapt or die.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.10.10 07:41:00 - [47] Originally by: ArmyOfMe meh, if they buy isk they deserve to be hacked imo Or you buy isk from those who does not require your logins? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:26:00 - [48] Quoting myself as I did not see an answer from CCP even though they did comment in the thread. Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: GM Nova What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets I understand that one cannot change their character name, but for those players who have used the same name for the account, would it be possible for them to change their account name? (Short of paying US$60 for 3x character transfers from the existing account to a new account they create.) MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching

GM Guard	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Double standards. CCP have stated since the start of EVE that they only care about ingame issues, and will not get involved in out-of-game matters that still relate to the game. What GM Nova said, whilst in good intentions I'm sure, goes against that. So they post warnings about alliance boards (that are obviously out-of-game resources) being "hacked" open just because they're related somehow to personal, player-to-TQ account security? Again, double standards. I'm not one to whistleblow, here, but if I had 1 isk for every time someone will (and they will, not if) take that completely the wrong way... I just want to get a slight correction in. While it is true that generally can't control things that fall outside our area of effect or take direct responsibility for all of them, we have never said we don't care about them. We may not always have the power to fix everything that goes wrong outside our jurisdiction but we are eager to provide insight and good advice to help players steer away from danger when possible.


GM Guard	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:09:00 - [50] And to adress the question about changing your username. Currently it is not possible and would take some changes to our basic systems. Your best measure against unauthorized account hacking is to make sure your password is not too simple or obvious, that it's only used for EVE, and that you change it once in a while.

Lady Galadriel Thief Hunters of Orion's Alliance Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:33:00 - [51] share your password = you get whats coming to you..
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:52:00 - [52] Originally by: GM Guard And to adress the question about changing your username. Currently it is not possible and would take some changes to our basic systems. Guard, thanks for replying. Just to be 100% clear, I'm asking about changing the account name, not the character name. (I understand why the latter would be a nightmare.) I am slightly perturbed that CCP has mechanisms in place to transfer characters between accounts, but does not have a mechanism to (easily) change account names. MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.10.11 00:01:00 - [53] Originally by: GM Nova Hackers You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Good advice, otherwise. It's always a good idea to run/look at anything suspicious in a virtual machine if you must do it at all. It's an even better idea to set aside a computer for gaming and use it for nothing else.
Zey Nadar Gallente Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:12:00 - [54] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 11/10/2008 00:13:13 Originally by: GM Nova Hackers You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. And you might stop for a moment to think who exactly decides what words mean.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:52:00 - [55] the p0rn must flow EVE PIRATE
gfldex Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:58:00 - [56] Originally by: GM Nova So, please, please, please, do NOT share your account with anyone at all, and if you have done so, change your password at once. Skill queue? -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.10.13 05:55:00 - [57] Originally by: gfldex Originally by: GM Nova So, please, please, please, do NOT share your account with anyone at all, and if you have done so, change your password at once. Skill queue? This for one. Stop being stupid CCP and give us Skill queue for TWO skills or make it that once your skill reaches lvl5, it will then stop training because those stupid 1-3 and sometimes even 4 needs constant watching. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Kaskamar	Posted - 2008.10.13 06:45:00 - [58] hi what about if you guys as ccp implemented stuff like this Digipass se my shop site http://eve.frimurer.net
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.16 08:30:00 - [59] How about allowing us to use digital certificates to authenticate? -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.10.17 14:03:00 - [60] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 17/10/2008 14:03:03 Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Originally by: Niraia Originally by: GM Nova Hackers are criminals. I really hate it when people say things like that. Hacking is breaking into someones house. Through a window, or through a wire it is the same thing. --- FreeBSD+WINE+EVE search the meaning of hacking again please. everyone dumber then a hacker usaly considers the hacker to be a criminal. but what you should keep in mind that tuneing your car is also hacking. nobody intended your car to be changed when they designed it. and i bet they dont like it. but it is within the boundries of posiblity, there for you can. the same goes with the internet, code and programs. you alter, change and influence programs without any boundries. technoligy is limitless. hacking is changeing something to make it beter. driveing your car into the bank front door is something else. back to topic, i find it stupid that ccp is anti account thieft (lets call it that way), where thieft of a item is not considered a offence at all. iam pritty down to basic with my toughts but when i steal an account what is the diference of me stealing a item. iam stealing something one way or another. where is the difrence. both the account or the item are virtual items and have no value in the real world. no more value the the pictures you have on your desktop of your loved ones. that are - like the items and accounts in eve - only the recorded 1's and 0's in time. and have no more value in the real world then the numbers on the bank (at icesave :P ). eventualy we have nothing of value and why would ccp act on one and dismiss the other. what iam trying to say and what it comes down to is why fight thieft when you allow and support thieft. you create a world where you accept thieft and then you try to fight thieft becouse you find it unfair. hypocrite --- Somebody needs a hug!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari I hate having to quote myself because of CCP changing their standards of coverage of petition cases lately. I mean, seriously, double-standard much? Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Originally by: GM Nova We are also told that various alliance forums have been attacked by hackers and in some cases been successful. What we have seen so far is that those players who have the same username as their characternames are prime targets, as they sometimes register on these forums with their characternames and use the same password for the forums as they would for EVE. This is an eccentric habit for some, to use the same password for everything. Since when did CCP care about out-of-TQ matters about EVE now? Because people ask them to repair the damage to the gaming account. It is so hard to grasp?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Originally by: Jullliana CCP have warned everyone, in an attempt to reinforce common sense, and for that you seem to blame/chastise CCP?? Double standards. CCP have stated since the start of EVE that they only care about ingame issues, and will not get involved in out-of-game matters that still relate to the game. What GM Nova said, whilst in good intentions I'm sure, goes against that. So they post warnings about alliance boards (that are obviously out-of-game resources) being "hacked" open just because they're related somehow to personal, player-to-TQ account security? Again, double standards. I'm not one to whistleblow, here, but if I had 1 isk for every time someone will (and they will, not if) take that completely the wrong way... A lot of inability to read or English is not even your third language? The point is that people are using the character name as the username, then using that username on the alliance/corporation/kill board/whatever and again using the same password on the board and for the EVE account. So when the board security fail and the craker get the EVE account details. So then it use them to hack the EVE account. At that point it become CCP affair. So giving suggestion on how to avoid this is only logic to lower the burden on CCP personnel. Got it now?
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:36:00 - [63] Originally by: sliver 0xD iam pritty down to basic with my toughts but when i steal an account what is the diference of me stealing a item. iam stealing something one way or another. where is the difrence. The account is something you, as a customer, pay CCP real money for. The item in game is just a virtual item that you don't own. Someone using something that you paid for exclusive use of, is their problem, someone else playing the game isn't. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster

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