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Abim Starkiller Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:31:00 - [151] - Quote pl.. you dirty cheating bar stewards
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 476	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:32:00 - [152] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: You mean they're outting their useless RMT accounts that have negative wallet balances so large as to make keeping them pointless. Yes, I can see how this might be construed as legit attempts to distance themselves from supposedly unknown RMT'ers. On the other hand, characters with such large balances don't get those balances by being quiet or by not making a business out the game. So, Test's sincerity in this matter is dubious at best. You know....when a character has a negative balance smaller than say 10b or less, one might assume he bought RMT isk or traded or what not completely on his own. When those balances start hitting the negative 10's of billions of isk, something more is going on and there's not much you can do to convince me it isn't systemic rather than individually. The alliance wallets have not been hit so trying to make this into a "all of test RMTs" argument is just silly. I did not say all of Test were RMT'rs. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1406	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:33:00 - [153] - Quote I have seen several alliances go from being generally fun and above board groups of players to being involved in RMT and botting simply because "Hell, everybody does it. We need to stay competitive." I'd like to see that situation swing around to "The payment you made to us was from RMT and now our wallet is in negatives, prepare to burn." A cycle of self policing sparked by a very efficient RTM and bot detection system from CCP (and the negative balances that would result) would be a very healthy thing for the game as a whole. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
2D34DLY4U Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:35:00 - [154] - Quote Kytoth wrote: Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts. IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap. Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some deve is using a dumb db script. As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc. I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people. I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 120	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:37:00 - [155] - Quote 2D34DLY4U wrote: I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. "They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong" "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1406	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:38:00 - [156] - Quote 2D34DLY4U wrote: Kytoth wrote: Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts. IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap. Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script. As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc. I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people. I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
2D34DLY4U Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:44:00 - [157] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. "They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong" It takes effort to win tournaments, a different kind of effort than what is required to burn Jita, both are good examples of love for EVE. Running a script and banning people is easy.
Thodoros Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance 10	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:58:00 - [158] - Quote Ahhh! It could not happen to a better bunch of ppl! Keep it up CCP!
Padme Amidala Naberrie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:08:00 - [159] - Quote 2D34DLY4U wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. "They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong" It takes effort to win tournaments, a different kind of effort than what is required to burn Jita, both are good examples of love for EVE. Running a script and banning people is easy. LMAO. I like the way that people like you automatically assume that CCP simply ran a script - without any knowledge at all of what the process of taking the "RMT" ISK from PL involved - and didn't check the results either. Simply because PL have won alliance tournaments so must be good guys mmmmm'kay. PAN
Alexandr Kerensky Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:14:00 - [160] - Quote munch munch munch tasty popcorn! Thus the PLEX/Ratting/ MOAR RMTing begins to get them out of the whole.
Richard Aiel Caldari Provisions Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:17:00 - [161] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. "They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong" **** I hate agreeing with goons https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 63	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:22:00 - [162] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: Kytoth wrote: Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts. IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap. Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script. As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc. I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people. I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed. I hope this was a troll..... CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past? Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera. So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too? "CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader" Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime.....
Ivana Twinkle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 215	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:22:00 - [163] - Quote Somehow people expect us to be badly hit by this RMT thing? I assume most goons are like me in that jesus paying real money for space pixels is dumb.

CCP Sreegs C C P C C P Alliance 534	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:31:00 - [164] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: Kytoth wrote: Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts. IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap. Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script. As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc. I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people. I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed. I hope this was a troll..... CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past? Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera. So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too? "CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader" I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

Alpheias Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard 575	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:34:00 - [165] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Beekeeper Bob wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: 2D34DLY4U wrote: Kytoth wrote: Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts. IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap. Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script. As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc. I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people. I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there. CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed. I hope this was a troll..... CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past? Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera. So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too? "CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader" I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better. I see what you did there. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1406	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:41:00 - [166] - Quote When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
JamesCLK Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners 149	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:43:00 - [167] - Quote Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box.
Zastrow GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 37	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:47:00 - [168] - Quote talk about owned
Alexandr Kerensky Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 2	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:49:00 - [169] - Quote JamesCLK wrote: Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box. It's a shiny box I like my shiny box.
JamesCLK Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners 149	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:53:00 - [170] - Quote Alexandr Kerensky wrote: JamesCLK wrote: Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box. It's a shiny box I like my shiny box. With a pretty red velvet ribbon.
Lt Pizi Dark-Rising 65	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:56:00 - [171] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better. tbh he has a point when he says CCP needs to generate ALOT of good news atm edit : that said i applaud you banhammering on RMT What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
El Geo Pathfinders. Mining For Profit Alliance 10	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:57:00 - [172] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: People saying Screegs needs go after the goons to make things fair is just dumb. Yes he used to be in goons and the alliance leader, but he takes his job seriously and is doing a great one at that. I personally do not care what alliance/corp/whatever you belong to, if you RMT enjoy your ban. this
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 692	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:59:00 - [173] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better. Snarf! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:00:00 - [174] - Quote Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps. I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me? Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 114	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:09:00 - [175] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps. I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me? Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge? I have heard that several people had their supercaps impounded.
R0ot North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 3	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:11:00 - [176] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps. I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me? Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge? Posting to confirm this is 100% Fact/Truth/Dead on/Without Doubt/Sure Thing/Guarantee etc. Also I was that -A- supercap spy that they blue up =/ Also in before me being quoted on the above.
Sanantha Search and Recovery 0	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:34:00 - [177] - Quote as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?
Lt Pizi Dark-Rising 65	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:40:00 - [178] - Quote Sanantha wrote: as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place? voodoo i tell you or following the money trail What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Large Collidable Object morons. 1227	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:50:00 - [179] - Quote Whilst I appreciate what's going on, I'm surprised it was PL who have been hit the hardest - especially on an alliance level - they have won alliance tournaments (yes - staged fake-pvp and tons of metagaming) - nonetheless they had alliance tournament price ships for sale, hold tech moons, had some quite lucrative contracts and have lots of long time players who should have accumulated some isk in the meantime-¦on their own. So I would have expected PL to be filthy-rich without any - maybe botted even have tons of botted isk - but PL buying isk? Sounds odd. Maybe their contracts were paid for with dirty isk? If it was mainly young PL members I wouldn't be as surprised (peer-pressure to get your own titan and stuff), but on an alliance level? morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee.
SirMille Sigma Kid Protection Services Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2012.03.31 21:50:00 - [180] - Quote Sanantha wrote: as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place? There will always be people screaming that they're a false positive regardless of whether or not they are. There are also likely cases who feel like they are innocent but would be effectively unable to prove it, it's unfortunate. For example: Quote: I took my negative isk hit because short of providing Sreegs with a full audit of my RL financials I would be unable to prove my own innocence. I don't think there's a point to me filing a petition when my isk clearly came from an RMTer, no matter how hard I screamed that I didn't pay real cash for it short of handing records that I am barely comfortable with giving to my accountant. Instead of taking loans and applying to win prizes from shady individuals I'm going on a strict plex4isk diet only from now on and hope that will appease our wildly-cackling-while-snorting-wasabi overlord. I already bought a bunch of plex so I hope the transaction reversal isn't followed by a ban. On the upside I don't have to pay the loan back now.

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