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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
498
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:23:00 -
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Wyke Mossari wrote: CCP Sreegs said at fanfest, that appeals had so far only identified One false positive.
I hope Sreegs will correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that:
(a) this only applies to botting, not to RMT (context of the FF presentation) (b) this only applies to his automated detection methods, not to "bots" caught because of petitions (otherwise Sreegs would be lying) |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:24:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? Yes, that;s the point of it.
But you see, if you ask the many pubbies here *looks for hands shooting up* they'll tell you it's all fake.
Yes, our reimbursement gives out the same stuff that the titans we sell to reds are made of. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
472
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:35:00 -
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Siiee wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :) I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago. It took over a week for his petition to be resolved and was ultimately denied. He rejected several offers from corp mates to donate isk to cover his loss and PLEX'd his way back. He quit the game a few months later. So forgive me if I am less gung-ho about your "No false positives, everyone gets taken care of" line as I was in the past.
Have witnessed the same identical situation, with the difference it took 3 weeks for him to get the first reply. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? Yes, that;s the point of it. But you see, if you ask the many pubbies here *looks for hands shooting up* they'll tell you it's all fake. Yes, our reimbursement gives out the same stuff that the titans we sell to reds are made of.
Smoke and mirrors and fairy dust? |

Isonda
The Candiru None Of The Above
1
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:53:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.
Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.
This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.
I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security
**** you forever for making me +rep a post D3
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Isonda
The Candiru None Of The Above
1
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:56:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?
Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking.
Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$ |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:00:00 -
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Isonda wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking. Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$ Yes, he spends quite sometime to prepare it.
The most interesting parts are of course the tech income, fuel for the JB etc BUT the biggie is the reimbursements.
I'm told our dictors/hictors tend to top the list in terms of how much they get reimbursed. So the next time you lock a hictor that's bubbled your titan, they're expecting to get blown up, but they hope you blow up too. (Because they get on killmails, I think their isk efficiency is amazing). Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Hoshi
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:05:00 -
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Bloutok wrote:If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... .  He has warned everyone several times through these forums and Devblogs over the last year that they will be stepping up on these types of bannings, both Bots and RMT. If people doesn't listen to him that's their problem. "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
472
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:11:00 -
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Wyke Mossari wrote: CCP Sreegs said at fanfest, that appeals had so far only identified One false positive.
Which is incorrect, but then, their logs show nothing anyway. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Seshzan
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
2
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:37:00 -
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Isonda wrote: Goons have an 'accountant' that looks over the books and post a spreadsheet so the line members can see if any directors are goonfucking
Most big alliances does not do this, because unlike the goon management, they are corrupt bastards stealing the tax $$$
I see this statement thrown around alot but i fail to see how it proves goons immunity to corruption ?
just as a quick example they must do 1,000's of ship replacements weekly ? monthly ? wouldn't be to hard for the reimburstment guy to send 50mil to he's alt in alliance everytime and i highly doubt someone checks every loss to isk payout
I don't no maybe your right maybe goons leadership is just to busy encouraging ice miners to commit sucide to steal money i mean hey if i was encouraging people to do that i would never ever steal money from my anyone it would just be morally wrong
You know i would also guess CCP doesn't really care to much about the politics of banning RMT / Botters and just wants to make their game better and lets face it they lose actual real money to RMT / botters so it benefits them more from a buisness stand point. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
484
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:48:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT?
There once was a company named Enron Whose stockholders they shite on While Author Anderson did their accounting To show everyone their was no failing Both are never again to be heard from
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
458
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:51:00 -
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Tiger Pennies wrote:Really? And what is that big bad meanie CCP gonna do? They already ban people for no reason, so I might as well give them one.
O and if it gets me to a quicker solution with my bank, charging back these fraudulent bastards after their bullshit will not only be justified, but feel good.
So how much ISK did CCP remove from your characters in game? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

Jamie Banks
Wasted and Still Mining Lunar Industries Partnership
16
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Posted - 2012.04.01 12:03:00 -
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Big up CCP, keep up the good work.
This makes me want to PLAY EVE again as my actions are on the same playing field as other players. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.04.01 12:41:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? There once was a company named Enron Whose stockholders they shite on While Author Anderson did their accounting To show everyone their was no failing Both are never again to be heard from
alright let's weigh the evidence
evidence supporting goonswarm being clean: transparent finances, we didn't get owned by CCP
evidence supporting pubbies' claims of us RMTing: *crickets chirp* Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
442
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Posted - 2012.04.01 12:52:00 -
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Quote:I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago.
If you think you can answer for what someone besides yourself did outside of the game you are a truly gullible person and are not qualified to speak on this.
Seriously, not sarcastic at all.
John Gacy was a "pillar of the community" for a frame of reference. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Calmoto
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.01 13:14:00 -
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2 words
viper shitzle  |

Ore Bunny
Kuh Schubs Clan
1
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Posted - 2012.04.01 14:08:00 -
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Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle 
Shizzle
2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
485
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:03:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? There once was a company named Enron Whose stockholders they shite on While Author Anderson did their accounting To show everyone their was no failing Both are never again to be heard from alright let's weigh the evidence evidence supporting goonswarm being clean: transparent finances, we didn't get owned by CCP evidence supporting pubbies' claims of us RMTing: *crickets chirp*
There was no evidence in the Enron case until it went poof in the night. My point is, accounting oversight has about the same credibility as a Goon himself. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:09:00 -
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Ore Bunny wrote:Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle  Shizzle 2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon.
Incorrectly spelt.
If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself.
Just saying.
PAN
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Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery Team Liquid
22
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:21:00 -
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle  Shizzle 2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon. Incorrectly spelt. If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself. Just saying. PAN
to spell (sth.) | spelled/spelt, spelled/spelt | just sayin' |

Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:31:00 -
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Karah Serrigan wrote:Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle  Shizzle 2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon. Incorrectly spelt. If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself. Just saying. PAN to spell (sth.) | spelled/spelt, spelled/spelt | just sayin'
Spelt is English, spelled is from that mangled version of English known as American, ie, not English at all.
Just saying.
PAN
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Ore Bunny
Kuh Schubs Clan
1
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:30:00 -
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle  Shizzle 2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon. Incorrectly spelt. If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself. Just saying. PAN
if your going to pick on someone's spelling, who is picking on someone's spelling, you should know what is English and what not.
just saying,
BRO
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baltec1
991
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:33:00 -
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Seshzan wrote:
I see this statement thrown around alot but i fail to see how it proves goons immunity to corruption ?
just as a quick example they must do 1,000's of ship replacements weekly ? monthly ? wouldn't be to hard for the reimburstment guy to send 50mil to he's alt in alliance everytime and i highly doubt someone checks every loss to isk payout
Every ship loss is indeed checked to make sure fittings are correct and nobody tries goonfucking. |

Prince Kobol
491
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:37:00 -
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Believe it or not I actually believe the goons when it comes to RMT.
If somebody within Goonswarm was involved in botting or/and RMT and was caught they would most likely be the first to name and shame them. |

ElJo123
The Fancy Hats Corporation S I L E N T.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:37:00 -
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Ore Bunny wrote:Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Calmoto wrote:2 words viper shitzle  Shizzle 2 words and 50% of em are wrong spelled, typical Goon. Incorrectly spelt. If you are going to pick on someone's spelling and grammar to try and hoist them you really should make some effort to get it right yourself. Just saying. PAN If you're going to pick on someone's spelling, who is picking on someone's spelling, you should know what is English and what is not. Just saying, BRO
Also I believe he took issue with your usage of the word 'wrong' (because it's wrong). |

Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.01 18:03:00 -
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Kaldaine wrote:I can confirm that Goonswarm was not affected by this. Noone in the alliance RMT's.
Goonswarm has strict policies against RMTing with zero tolerance policies. Please, no trolling or unsupported false accusations. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:19:00 -
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In all seriousness, I dont believe PL per say did any RMTing, I mean seriously the amount of tech moons, rents, large contracts etc (many we know of running into billions) they dont need to.. They just dont...They have a few trillion just in Alliance Tourny ships wins I bet.
but as others have said its more than like secondhand from botting/rmting alliances - and whos that from? Hmm Russian Alliances perhaps? Not mentioning any names? So why hasnt anything happened to them?
I am always shocked that even though its taboo, people know the major russian alliances and involved in this, yet CCP seem to do nothing about it? I just cant understand it.. The Russian Mafia giving you back handers CCP?
But anyway if we are going by the you got isk by someone who rmt/botted it then i bet you would have to ban tons of ppl because that isk has entered the game, so in essence everyone has probably got some of that isk unknowingly in their wallet.
I would assume CCP did alot more research before simple banning and removing massive amounts of ISK from a major major alliance in eve knowing the consequences...Surely... You dont just do that by some random script to likes of PL...
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
116
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:24:00 -
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Kaldaine wrote:Kaldaine wrote:I can confirm that Goonswarm was not affected by this. Noone in the alliance RMT's. Goonswarm has strict policies against RMTing with zero tolerance policies. Please, no trolling or unsupported false accusations. lol I caught a Goon asking for no trolling or unsupported false accusations lol Does that mean he has to put 25 ISK into the swear jar? And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,That this foul deed... -á |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:31:00 -
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I may not have fully understood the Security Presentation by CCP but I thought that it was the perpetrators of the ISK generating activities that had their ISK removed and not the end parties.
For example, if EVE player Iamguilty botted and generated a billion ISK, then Iamguilty bought a really nice implant from Innocent then the ISK would be removed from Iamguilty and not Innocent.
If Iamguilty bought ISK via RMT then Iamguilty has that amount removed regardless if Iamguilty bought something from Innocent.
The posts here are suggesting that Innocent gets nailed by the removal of ISK. Is this the case?
If Iamguilty buys a billion ISK then uses it to buy all sorts of cool stuff from Innocent, Innocent loses a billion ISK and Iamguilty is left alone? That seems... strange and contrary to the stated policy of CCP but I could have misunderstood.
Further, if someone is selling ISK for money, who has that ISK removed?
In the situation: ImaketoomuchISK has an excess of ISK and therefore sells it to Iamguilty.
Who has what punishment?
Does ImaketoomuchISK have ISK removed? Are they banned? Heck, does ImaketoomuchISK have ISK reimbursed? (to reset where the ISK was from, especially if the ISK generating activity was legal?) |

tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
11
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:52:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:I may not have fully understood the Security Presentation by CCP but I thought that it was the perpetrators of the ISK generating activities that had their ISK removed and not the end parties.
For example, if EVE player Iamguilty botted and generated a billion ISK, then Iamguilty bought a really nice implant from Innocent then the ISK would be removed from Iamguilty and not Innocent.
If Iamguilty bought ISK via RMT then Iamguilty has that amount removed regardless if Iamguilty bought something from Innocent.
The posts here are suggesting that Innocent gets nailed by the removal of ISK. Is this the case?
If Iamguilty buys a billion ISK then uses it to buy all sorts of cool stuff from Innocent, Innocent loses a billion ISK and Iamguilty is left alone? That seems... strange and contrary to the stated policy of CCP but I could have misunderstood.
Further, if someone is selling ISK for money, who has that ISK removed?
In the situation: ImaketoomuchISK has an excess of ISK and therefore sells it to Iamguilty.
Who has what punishment?
Does ImaketoomuchISK have ISK removed? Are they banned? Heck, does ImaketoomuchISK have ISK reimbursed? (to reset where the ISK was from, especially if the ISK generating activity was legal?)
million dollar question! |
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