I don't know how much longer I can post on these forums without a dislike button.

I don't know how much longer I can post on these forums without a dislike button.

Rumour has it alts post shite on the forums.

I don't know how much longer I can post on these forums without a dislike button.

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I don't know how much longer I can post on these forums without a dislike button.

I don't know how much longer I can post on these forums without a dislike button.

Rumour has it alts post shite on the forums.

This guy is in TEST, he was publicly mocked and laughed at. Good laughs and praise for us all that this scum now -76 billion in the hole.

I don't think it's fair to throw around accusations of RMT right now. All we know is that we cannot access the API for the wallet char. Until we've spoken to Shamis, we don't know what happened.

For all we know, this could have perfectly reasonable explanations.

ccp don't nerf my titan, we RMT'd a lot of money on them

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A member of cascade imminent talking about elite pee vee pee. Now I've seen it all.

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That burn would have worked if I had claimed I was "elite pvp", but I didn't so you look pretty dumb right now
Perhaps I could write some sort of guide to writing burns on the evelopedia and you could then peruse it

Word on the street is shamis got banned for RMT and his alliances money is banned also.

any1 got anymore intel on this?

oh and Imperian got banned

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Word on the street is shamis got banned for RMT and his alliances money is banned also.

any1 got anymore intel on this?

oh and Imperian got banned

I don't think it's fair to throw around accusations of RMT right now. All we know is that we cannot access the API for the wallet char. Until we've spoken to Shamis, we don't know what happened.

For all we know, this could have perfectly reasonable explanations.

Let me help... a cabal of evil RMTers deliberately sent Shamis 15 trillion ISK in revenge for being ~hazed~ ?

As per CCP rules, we can't discuss any reasons why Shamis might have been banned.

If I am right using the price of isk from a well known RMT Merchant that is approx $26480 / 20830Gé¼ / -ú17384 worth of isk...

Ouch

Mains too. In fact, I'd stick my neck out and say almost everyone post shite on these/any forums..

i bet they ask mintchiplol for the 1 billion isk back that they gave her.

we don't know what happened. For all we know, this could have perfectly reasonable explanations.

To confirm, the Pandemic Legion Alliance Wallet now stands at -3.5 tril roughly. More to come soon.

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humm..well pretty much ****'s on that fire, see what happens when you cheat you sillys OBTW your stuffs, can i haz?

I don't think it's fair to throw around accusations of RMT right now. All we know is that we cannot access the API for the wallet char. Until we've spoken to Shamis, we don't know what happened.

For all we know, this could have perfectly reasonable explanations.

okay I can't wait to hear them

Serious: I think its more likely that most of your "merc loan" from the past was either RMT or Bot money and so it got removed from game after CCP found out/had prove.

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We're not sure what's actually happened until we've had a chance to talk to Shamis, but regardless of the outcome, rest assured that PL will come out of this just as strong, if not stronger.

The best explainations we have right now is that the account either ran out of subscription, or that it was flagged for doing a lot of ISK transactions to people, IE ship reimbursements, titan purchases etc.

There's a lot of ugly rumors going around, suggesting for instance that we bought 15T isk from RMT. That's just ridiculous. Why would we buy that much ISK with the amount of tech and supercaps we sell?

Until we know what's happened, any accusations of RMT are completely unfounded.

By now we've all seen the screen shot of the PL dude whose personal wallet is now at negative 75 bills. (Ouch) We've all seen it. Are you saying that somehow you've missed it all?

The only reason for you to act innocent is in hopes that the ban hammer doesn't find its way to you.

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not sure if this is any relavence

bought a toon of the forums 2 days ago ... all legit ... simple mining toon - nothing flash

woke up thismorning to this

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1135/20120331115727.jpg

the toon it was given to is a goonwaffe

yep .. you saw right 9 flapping billion isk ffs ..... and oh ... i only had under 20 mil on it

i'm not a happy person right now

not sure if this is any relavence

bought a toon of the forums 2 days ago ... all legit ... simple mining toon - nothing flash

woke up thismorning to this

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1135/20120331115727.jpg

the toon it was given to is a goonwaffe

yep .. you saw right 9 flapping billion isk ffs ..... and oh ... i only had under 20 mil on it

i'm not a happy person right now

Well we know that Screegs is watching the thread.

Can you atleast Confirm or Deny that the Isk was removed do to an RMT source.

Not asking for a Yes or No if PL are Guilty, just a Yes it was isk from an RMT source.

Was just confirmed on Twitter by one of the other security guys @seanconover. No dev name no way to know if legit though

Was just confirmed on Twitter by one of the other security guys @seanconover. No dev name no way to know if legit though

That's me

Petition and if you were really wronged it will be fixed.

lol Sorry about that you need to add your dev name in your bio.
Is there going to be a devblog in coming on Monday. Got to publish after April 1 after all.

sooo many devs here ... i've been petitioning all day ... can someone please repond to them

regards

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Wow, heads are rolling with big Alliances. Amazing.

hahaha Look at his face ! He isnt Happy LOL. hahahah

RMT stands for what? Real Money Transaction?

RMT stands for what? Real Money Transaction?

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Trust a Goon to know what RMT stands for.

PAN

CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

Unless, you know, goons aren't involved in RMT to such a massive degree. I'm sure some of them do it, and have done it in the past, but the same could be said of any alliance.

Some other alliances seem to have made actual agreements with ISK merchants, in terms of letting them bot in their space and in selling/buying their own ISK. If evidence can be found that goons have done this, fine, but you cannot run a "Goonswarm RMT sweep" unless goons have actually been RMTing.

On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.

On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.

HAHAHA, you got caught!

-75,9 bill, amirite?

That's Sreegs.

UGH BEATEN BY SREEGS *SHAKES FIST*

You guys rock.

Seriously, yous do....

Much love....

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN

I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.

I think it should be obvious that a Char doing ship reimbursement from his own wallet for a 1000+ pilot alliance might look alot like an RMT'er, e.g. both give large amounts of isk to lots of people for no apparent reason.

Especially to some script crawling the DB.

Ofc PL could also have accepted large amounts of RMT'ed isk for their contracts with certain alliances.

I'd however be slow with pointing fingers, I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.

Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.

CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.

The fact that our alliance wallet wasn't touched.

Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.

Yet.......................

PAN

CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

I think it should be obvious that a Char doing ship reimbursement from his own wallet for a 1000+ pilot alliance might look alot like an RMT'er, e.g. both give large amounts of isk to lots of people for no apparent reason.

Especially to some script crawling the DB.

Ofc PL could also have accepted large amounts of RMT'ed isk for their contracts with certain alliances.

I'd however be slow with pointing fingers, I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.

rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.

rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.

You might well be right but I would have thought that *someone* within CCP took a look at this *before* a final decision to take the ISK from PL was made.

We would hope at any rate.

PAN

Hmm, just out of interest how come everyone is assuming it was related to buying ISK? I would have thought PL would be more likely to be involved in selling it?

I'd sure hope that as well, but judging by the sheer amount of transactions and chars involved I'm not certain.

Also they might just blindly remove/ban in the first cycle, then look at all the petitions etc and use that experience to tweak their scripts, then start again.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception here that they took 15t or so from an alliance wallet. In fact that number seems to have been reached by looking at ALL the chars in PL and how much isk they lost. So this is over hundreds of chars, and not some single wallet.

Could be that PL received rent payments from botters who were RMTing.

Kinda blows the who "this is a mistake" out of the water. Also, if the CCP auto destroyer was going to go after a alliance based simply on isk exchanges I would have thought the goons would have been top of that list if it were true.

A. They did not go "after an alliance". They took isk from a large amount of chars, and banned the source. Don't see how this "blows the mistake out of the water".

B. "simply on isk exchanges" How do you suppose they identify RMT'ers if not by their isk transfer patterns?

C. Who said other alliances did not have this occuring / use the same centralized structure.

A few inderviduals wallets in CFC have gone negetive. The general responce in the CFC is "AHAHAHAHAHA"

If CCP simply went after the master wallet because it was spamming out a lot of isk why then did the master wallet of the largest ship replacement fund not get hit first?

Because one was done over a char's wallet and the other is a corp wallet? Honestly I have no idea, but how likely is it that CCP wrote something that worked perfectly from the beginning (or ever will)

I have to admit its **** funny watching how many people are shitting them lols..

Just spent the last 10 minutes scouting various forums and panic is well.. delicious .

Please share the fun with us

Too many posts on too many sites however the funniest has to be on reddit

Test is rounding up a list of people who got negged as the API updates and is planning to release it so we can laugh at the RMTers

Test is rounding up a list of people who got negged as the API updates and is planning to release it so we can laugh at the RMTers

You mean they're outting their useless RMT accounts that have negative wallet balances so large as to make keeping them pointless. Yes, I can see how this might be construed as legit attempts to distance themselves from supposedly unknown RMT'ers.

On the other hand, characters with such large balances don't get those balances by being quiet or by not making a business out the game. So, Test's sincerity in this matter is dubious at best.

You know....when a character has a negative balance smaller than say 10b or less, one might assume he bought RMT isk or traded or what not completely on his own. When those balances start hitting the negative 10's of billions of isk, something more is going on and there's not much you can do to convince me it isn't systemic rather than individually.

The actions of yesterday were RMT related. I won't discuss specifics or confirm or deny who may have been impacted or how.

The alliance wallets have not been hit so trying to make this into a "all of test RMTs" argument is just silly.

Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.

I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.

IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.

"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"

It takes effort to win tournaments, a different kind of effort than what is required to burn Jita, both are good examples of love for EVE.

Running a script and banning people is easy.

"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"

CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed.

I hope this was a troll.....

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"

I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box.

It's a shiny box I like my shiny box.

I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

People saying Screegs needs go after the goons to make things fair is just dumb. Yes he used to be in goons and the alliance leader, but he takes his job seriously and is doing a great one at that. I personally do not care what alliance/corp/whatever you belong to, if you RMT enjoy your ban.

I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps.

I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me?

Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?

Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps.

I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me?

Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?

as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?

as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?

I took my negative isk hit because short of providing Sreegs with a full audit of my RL financials I would be unable to prove my own innocence. I don't think there's a point to me filing a petition when my isk clearly came from an RMTer, no matter how hard I screamed that I didn't pay real cash for it short of handing records that I am barely comfortable with giving to my accountant. Instead of taking loans and applying to win prizes from shady individuals I'm going on a strict plex4isk diet only from now on and hope that will appease our wildly-cackling-while-snorting-wasabi overlord. I already bought a bunch of plex so I hope the transaction reversal isn't followed by a ban. On the upside I don't have to pay the loan back now.

I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

There will always be people screaming that they're a false positive regardless of whether or not they are. There are also likely cases who feel like they are innocent but would be effectively unable to prove it, it's unfortunate. For example:

I hope this was a troll.....

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"

Are you a false/positive with your minus 1.5bil wallet ?

I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

So I would have expected PL to be filthy-rich without any illegal isk bought. I wouldn't have been surprised if they even had been banned for having tons of botted isk - but PL buying isk?

Sounds odd. Maybe their contracts were paid for with dirty isk?

>1 or 2 false positives

Sounds like it's just a system that doesn't allow appeals.

voodoo i tell you

or following the money trail

I got banned during Unholy Rage even though my account was expired at the time, but hey I got it unbanned quick enough so nbd.

This is the issue which you're to stupid to see.
Normal people operate within RL boundaries. Game or not I am who I am. I know right from wrong.

CCP gives you a tool which you use to have fun. As a grown up you should understand what responsibility does it carry. Abuse of any kind is wrong. You can be a hardcore ************ in eve and it's fine BUT when you start biting the hand that feeds you (CCP gives you a game to play for those dumbfucks that don't get the metaphore) you gonna get a ***** slap.

Pretty much you proved your immaturity to handle freedom and now it will be restricted for the sake of general audience you stupid ****. There's no one to blame but yourself. Idiot.

Lesson for today kids?

DON"T BUY isk you dirty buggers, and don't accept merc contract to save crumbling empires from those that are "known" to bot and/or RMT.

Grab some more popcorn, here we go again.

This sort of thing is worrying to me. I put a lot of effort into EVE and if I got banned by some script for suspicious behavior like donating isk to IRL friends, I'd be pretty pissed off.

I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"

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Which real life boundarys are we talking about? The ones you crossed by attacking me personally, rather than my statement?

If you would like to discuss maturity, why not refute the argument, rather than attack the person behind the argument? Clearly you need to go back look the word up again.

I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)

CCP, keep it up.

The unfortunate truth is that anti-botting/RMT activity needs to be ramped up every single year that an MMO is out, or bots will destroy the economy eventually (and in Eve, that means the core of the game dies). Seriously, go back and play other MMOs from 10 years ago, many are simply ruined.

As an MMO vet, I think going after bots is more important than reducing lag, adding features, and improving graphics. The 2 leading causes of death in MMOs (behind failed launch) is self inflicted suicide (adding cash shops and making the game more casual, aka "cashing out" the game), and bots. It looks like CCP dodged the first with the recent restructuring and refocusing, so I'm glad to see CCP taking on the second

I had a long time, well established, corp mate who was wrongly tagged for RMT over a year ago. It took over a week for his petition to be resolved and was ultimately denied. He rejected several offers from corp mates to donate isk to cover his loss and PLEX'd his way back. He quit the game a few months later.

So forgive me if I am less gung-ho about your "No false positives, everyone gets taken care of" line as I was in the past.

He couldn't possibly be telling lies to his corp mates.

Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.

Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.

This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.

If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... .

Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game.

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