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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:11:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 17:11:55
 Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38
Originally by: Grr
I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do.
Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence.
The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this.
We know our place in the food chain. Do you?
I see the Ushra'Khan habit of taking credit for others work is rubbing off nicely onto you butters. Now I understand you would never put your capital fleet in a position where it could take harm, we however do not think that way. The only way to learn is by doing, capital ships are not expensive but experience is priceless.
Let us see if that Ushra'Khan capital fleet is so brave now it has been marked.
Daily religious brainwashing is clearly numbing your mind. Do please highlight the part of my GalNet transmission where I take 'credit' for anything. I am merely recounting facts.
In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region.
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Wraithstorm
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:45:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 17:46:09
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/10/2008 15:51:33
It astonishes me that the Amarr will drop eight carriers on top of a battleship fleet, and then complain about the Minmatar militia's tactics. I mean, eight carriers - fine. OK. You have them, so you might as well drop them, doesn't make sense to just keep them mothballed.
But then the Minmatar start calling in their allies... that's quite the beyond pale. How dare they call in people with ideological similarities to them? How dare they call in privateers who want to shoot at people, and happen to want to shoot at the Amarr more than the Minmatar? How dare they not lie down and die like you want them to?
I completely agree with you sir. It's quite pathetic of the Minmatar to want to win the war. They should just lie down and die, like the Amarr demand of them.
... oh wait.
  You have the nerve to speak of Amarr hotdropping Minmitar when all we could do at the beginning of this conflict for the first 2 months was sitback and watch Capital after Capital of the Minmitar hotdropped on our Battleship fleets? Even with Armada hotdropping we STILL dont even come close to the Minmitar in the number of times we've used our Capitals on the field of battle. AT LEAST we were outnumbered when we hotdropped. At LEAST they were Militia Capitals dropped, and not that of an outide entity, faction loyalist or not. You are funny in your logic Sir.
Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord whatever so yes, for the sake of this statement they are outsiders. War is not fair, use what you must to claim victory. It does NOT take away from the fact that in the end the Minmitar Militia cannot do anything without calling on the help of others.
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:51:00 -
[33]
FW use capships?
We will be watching more closely now. Thanks for the Intel
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Wraithstorm
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:52:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Whilst our corp was serving in the militia, we never once saw the Amarrian forces deploying capitals at stargates, and other such bold acts. We kept our capitals on standby for such an occasion, and we were consistently disappointed.
Now that the minmatar militia lack capital-heavy corps, the Amarrians have seen fit to become a little more bold. Some might say too bold, and indeed, predictable.
The assets of slavers are legitimate targets. Perhaps you will think twice in the future before deploying your capital ships outside of dock range, in what are otherwise conventional ship fights.
The Amarrian militia may like the advantage that it gives them in combat. We like the targets it provides us as opportunists.
It is all in the balance of risk versus reward.
So in addition to the 0utbreak Capitals that were consistently dropped on us, you had yours on standby in addition? Well then, I guess that answers your question as to why you didnt see many Amarr Capitals. Add to the fact that Armada was newly formed, and did not yet boast the Capital fleet we do, and you have your answer.
Predictable? We've used our Capitals in hotdrop situations 3 maybe 4 times? I hardly call that predictable. Kill one, then you can claim we're predictable. You said it yourself, you are an opportunist, and I have to respect you for that.
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Wraithstorm
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:53:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Redback911
FW use capships?
We will be watching more closely now. Thanks for the Intel
Yay!!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:18:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/10/2008 18:17:57
Originally by: Wraithstorm
You have the nerve to speak of Amarr hotdropping Minmitar when all we could do at the beginning of this conflict for the first 2 months was sitback and watch Capital after Capital of the Minmitar hotdropped on our Battleship fleets? Even with Armada hotdropping we STILL dont even come close to the Minmitar in the number of times we've used our Capitals on the field of battle. AT LEAST we were outnumbered when we hotdropped. At LEAST they were Militia Capitals dropped, and not that of an outide entity, faction loyalist or not.
Did I ever say that Amarr dropping capitals was an unacceptable tactic? Did I ever criticise them specifically for dropping capitals? If Amarr want to risk assets that cost over a billion each (with fittings all told) and more than six months of training - farbeit from me to stop them. No, not at all - it makes it all the sweeter when you lose them. If ever I have said that the Amarr shouldn't drop capitals, please, show me where I said it, for apparently I'm saying things that I myself don't agree with, and I'd hate to do that.
Originally by: Wraithstorm
Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord whatever so yes, for the sake of this statement they are outsiders. War is not fair, use what you must to claim victory. It does NOT take away from the fact that in the end the Minmitar Militia cannot do anything without calling on the help of others.
So basically, you're criticising Minmatar (yes, that's Minmatar - it's not hard to spell correctly, dear, it's pasted plain as day in almost every thread that involves any sort of interfactional politics. Even your comrades in other parts of the Amarr militia can garner enough respect, both for the Minmatar and for themselves, to spell the name of their enemy correctly) loyalists for calling on the services of Ushra'Khan - who are also Minmatar loyalists. Exactly when did loyalists calling to loyalists of the same cause become calling on outside help? Your arrogant self-deception is incredibly amusing.
As for pirates supporting the Minmatar militia, I believe that there was a big furore about Slacker Industries supporting the Amarr. Apparently some of your militia consider Slackers to be little more than privateers yet even the Minmatar haven't sunk to throwing accusations about pirate support against you - although your own side certainly has. And while we're talking about outside support, let us not forget that you have CVA on your side.
Truly pathetic - by your own standards. You should be ashamed.
Originally by: Wraithstorm
You are funny in your logic Sir.
Not half so much as you, "sir".
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Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.12 19:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38
Originally by: Grr
I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do.
Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence.
The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this.
We know our place in the food chain. Do you?
I see the Ushra'Khan habit of taking credit for others work is rubbing off nicely onto you butters. Now I understand you would never put your capital fleet in a position where it could take harm, we however do not think that way. The only way to learn is by doing, capital ships are not expensive but experience is priceless.
Let us see if that Ushra'Khan capital fleet is so brave now it has been marked.
Raising your gammy leg and spraying the enemy Caps now Solly ?, whatever next !! , Scagga
not around to do yer bidding ?.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.12 19:25:00 -
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Wraithstorm, you are simply the biggest fool of the day.
Ushra'Khan have been fighting slavery in one form or another and the Amarr since before you got your pod license. To now call us outsiders because we are not 'officially' entombed in the over-restrictive militia framework is so weak an argument you might have better spent the time and brainpower making a simple cup of coffee.
Your argument is nothing more than a technical point, like anyone not in a militia structure has no right to fight in it. Next time you are flying along side the CVA, remember your pointless words. I am sure you will keep your lips sealed on both of your faces though.
As for the capital fleet, I would say the objective of breaking your militia's dominance on that front for the evening was broken. Spin that away.
Fair enough though, they were not destroyed and can come out to play once their pilots stop hiding. But believe me, you can't escape the fact that they retreated. I hope the simplicity of this point gets through to you, as you only seem to understand the simple things.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:32:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Butter Dog
In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region.
Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:47:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Butter Dog
In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region.
Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters.
Glad to see you guys aren't just hiding in provi and hoping CVA aren't next on someones hitlist :) and before we go there, no Tri's attack on you really doesn't count as a serious attack given they clearly got bored and went home.
Enjoy your deluded belief in your security in provi.
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Butter Dog
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.10.12 21:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Butter Dog
In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region.
Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters.
Do feel free to correct me, should any of my assertions be inaccurate.
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Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.12 21:48:00 -
[42]
Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is.
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Mukiri
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.12 22:57:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Garreck
Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is.
There was no discussion just another Amarr attempt to spin an event that went poorly form them in a way that makes the other side look bad. Amarrians do not "discuss" they spin..
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Reptar Dragon
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.10.12 23:34:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Mukiri
Originally by: Garreck
Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is.
There was no discussion just another Amarr attempt to spin an event that went poorly form them in a way that makes the other side look bad. Amarrians do not "discuss" they spin..
No I'm pretty sure they're discussing. And I'm also pretty sure the thread's been derailed. Nice Wyvern.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 00:07:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/10/2008 00:10:05
Originally by: Garreck
Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is.
glad to see that a year on and growing in strength we're still defeated :)
traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated... a quick look at your current emperesses miraculous appearance from the dead would show you that surely!
edit: for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly? you're red to half the amarrian militia and had utterly nothing to do with this engagement at all... and you're sitting there claiming that We're derailing this thread!
Get hardin back, he's significantly better at spin than you guys are!
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 00:14:00 -
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Whilst we're on the topic, since U'K is now the new Outbreak, please feel free to contact a U'K diplomat if you're interested in joining the elite minmatar roleplayers. :) we are happy to talk to individuals and corporations interested in fighting for our cause.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 01:34:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Garreck on 13/10/2008 01:35:00
Originally by: Sapphrine
traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated
A very good point, Sapphrine.
So I suppose by this logic, outside of the typical pointless rhetoric, CVA and Ushra'Khan are proving quite healthy and successful.
What to do now? Keep slinging mud at each-other?
Originally by: Sapphrine
for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly?
For those keeping track, a CVA pilot answered a question from you concerning CVA.
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Tavor Jeager
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 05:22:00 -
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The Amarr militia surprisingly enough is a supporter of the Amarr Empire and as such supports the enslavement of Minmatar people. The Ushra'khan exists to fight the Amarr and free the enslaved, we are by no means outsiders you are our enemy no matter what you or the likes of Concord, the Republic or the Empire might think you are our enemy and you are valid targets and we will shoot you it is that simple.
Tavor Jeager
Matari Warrior |
Conlin
Gallente
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 06:33:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Garreck
Edited by: Garreck on 13/10/2008 01:37:43
Originally by: Sapphrine
traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated
A very good point, Sapphrine.
So I suppose by this logic, outside of the typical pointless rhetoric, CVA and Ushra'Khan are proving quite healthy and successful.
What to do now? Keep slinging mud at each-other?
Originally by: Sapphrine
for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly?
For those keeping track, a CVA pilot answered a question from you concerning CVA. You welcomed CVA as a part of the discussion when you could use our name to infer insult...suddenly you seem less interested in having us in the discussion at all.
For those keeping track !
What exactly is CVA,s policy these days with regards to supporting the Amarr Militia ?.
It seems to change week by week depending on your mood swings .
I'd wholeheartedly apologise as a defeated dying alliance if I could find it in me ,but ..... 
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 08:42:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 13/10/2008 08:43:45
Edited by: Poreuomai on 13/10/2008 08:43:26
Originally by: Wraithstorm
Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/10/2008 14:02:06
Originally by: Wraithstorm
Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre.
And why shouldn't they? We seek to free the slaves and fight the slavers, why should the Minmatar militia not have our help? Perhaps you also think that U'K corps should not temporarily join the militia either?
Not at all. If UK Corporations want to join the Minmatar militia to fight alongside fellow s****then that is for them to decide.
Maybe I misunderstood your complaint then. So if "the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them" and most U'K corps had temporarily joined the militia, you would have been happy with that?
And in case you didn't know, the U'K alliance would love to join the militia ... but concord does not let us.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.10.13 09:13:00 -
[51]
CONCORDS restrictions have never been an issue for a freedom fighter. CONCORD recognition of legalised slavery in Amarr and Khanid territories, and the dominance of keeping the status quo, is exactly why Yulai had to be put out of action.
Ushra'Khan has been going beyond the call of legality for many years in its pursuit of the freedom of the Minmatar peoples from slavery.
You slavers will continue to bark about rules and regulations, for those are in your interest. We, the Freedom Fighters, spit on those rules.
Your spin is weak.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.13 09:16:00 -
[52]
Welcome back to the Bleaks Brothers.
Thanks for bringing the rain, both in cap support and the ensuing Amarrian tears.
As Shakor so wisely said, the Amarr are "people whose motivations, masked though they may be by florid religious claptrap, remain as base and despicable as those of the playground bully."
Just like a playground bully you have been dropping capital ships on cruiser gangs, hiring pirates and mercs to fight us and even inserting spies into the Tribal Liberation Force. But lo, the moment your hubris as well as your own tactics are turned against you it is all so terribly terribly unfair.
Brothers and Sisters of the Tribal Liberation Force and the freedom fighters of the Ushra'Khan. I salute you.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:07:00 -
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The fight for GOD and Empire is fought on several fronts.
In the Empire itself we are daily converting thousands of heretics to GOD's holy cause, and teaching them how to walk the path of the righteous.
The Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems on behalf of the Empire and routinely dispatching the rabble sent against them by the rebel Minmatar "government".
And in Providence CVA and her friends continue to keep the spacelanes open to empire loyalists and civilians alike.
GOD is smiling upon our efforts. That much seems certain.
Our opponents, on the other side, are reduced to squabbling amongst themselves and trying to foment strife in loyalist ranks. They are obviously without capacity for doing anything else.
So rejoice brothers and sisters. We are walking the path of righteousness and we can stand tall and proud in the light of GOD.
Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream?
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:26:00 -
[54]
"trying to foment strife in loyalist ranks"? This from the people planning and funding corporate theft against groups like the 17th.
Your hoods have been blown back, you are revealed for what you are.
Amarrians. Pathetic, simply pathetic.
Thrace Inc Poster |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:37:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Conlin
Raising your gammy leg and spraying the enemy Caps now Solly ?, whatever next !! , Scagga not around to do yer bidding ?.
Touche 
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Teh HoggsMuffin
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:56:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
In the Empire itself we are daily converting thousands of heretics to GOD's holy cause, and teaching them how to walk the path of the righteous.
Bull.
Heretics would have only left the empire in the first place because they have strong minds, minds that could never be converted back.
Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 12:11:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Teh HoggsMuffin
Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing?
I suspect they mostly use that technique on themselves.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 12:47:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Did someone actually call U'K "outsiders"?
I must have accidentally invented a form of drop the effects of which don't wear off normally... Because this thread simply cannot exist, it is too bizarre.
had the same drug .. weirdness.. they told me it boosts armour ..
recruiting -forum
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/10/2008 12:56:43
Originally by: Wraithstorm
Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord
CVA & UK are the spearheads of this conflict. And there is nothing to be sanctioned, this war is outside of concord auhtority - its not up to them to sanction it, also not by any of the militias - theyre fighting in our trailwaters and in the trailwaters of our
former cast out thukker friends.
It has been sanctioned by Malaetu Shakor in the Name of the Elders, and those in Concord
who wanted to regulate it have died. Those who gathered their senses
are now Protecting what little influence sphere is left to them.
Last but not least, why should any matari care too much about your opinion.
The opinion of a Caldari, instead of figting alongside tibus heth to conserve his own precious caldari nationalist state - youre fighting for religious madmen who cannot let lose of unhuman customs and gold paint on their ships. Next you will lecture us lessons
from the scriptures to underline our competence and authority in these matters.
Thank you very much sir, thats comedy quality - and i will certainly tune in again to this channel.
recruiting -forum
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 13:14:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Teh HoggsMuffin
Heretics would have only left the empire in the first place because they have strong minds, minds that could never be converted back.
Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing?
When a canvass is painted with an image that is an affront to GOD, it is the duty of the righteous to correct the error.
We will erase the image and replace it with a homage to all that is holy. That way, even that which is born as a mockery of GOD may be turned to his praise and serve his purpose in the end.
It is this way we prove our undying love and affection for the lesser beings of this universe. We endeavor to give them a purpose and fate far above that which they were born to.
We will not waste any canvass if it can be at all helped.
But perhaps you would rather have us destroy and burn it outright?
The barbarian way?
Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream?
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