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Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 02:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 02:27:51 Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. Combine this with the recent incursions of multiple pirate factions on the side of the Minmitar, and the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Is it not enough that you outnumber us in every way possible? Is it not enough to fight in the heat of battle, and know that your victory is yours to claim, and not an outside entity? Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle over this pathetic attempt to dominate our skies. The Minmitar are on the ropes, and they are using every possible method to try to claim victory. No matter how diluted their "victory" may be. Lets show the Minmitar that they can bring whoever they like to this fight. We will still send them back to Amamake with their tails between their legs. Minmitar Militia, Pathetic, simply pathetic
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 02:30:00 - [2] http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/sinbignasty/EVE/TZVIhotdrop10-11-08.jpg
Invelious Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.12 03:17:00 - [3] Pathetic aren't they. Well they just prove the point that dogs move in packs, no matter. We will still put them down like the mutts that they are.
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.12 04:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 02:27:51 Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. Combine this with the recent incursions of multiple pirate factions on the side of the Minmitar, and the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Is it not enough that you outnumber us in every way possible? Is it not enough to fight in the heat of battle, and know that your victory is yours to claim, and not an outside entity? Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle over this pathetic attempt to dominate our skies. The Minmitar are on the ropes, and they are using every possible method to try to claim victory. No matter how diluted their "victory" may be. Lets show the Minmitar that they can bring whoever they like to this fight. We will still send them back to Amamake with their tails between their legs. Minmitar Militia, Pathetic, simply pathetic Dont be complaining about pirates right now sweetheart, the tides have just turned in your favour.. Today Minmatar Militia came to a gate as we were attacking our enemies and engaged my fleet and I lost a ship..... They were told in local communications what we were doing and they would not be targeted and they decided to engage anyway.. Minmatar Militia just officially lost heretic support once and for all.. You have abused us, used us, taken us for granted and attributed all your sucesses to everyone but Heretics as we paved the way to Victory from the very beginning... The Amarr just got an ally without even realising it... Low security space has always been a pirate haven.......... We tried to help the Minmatar as we have always supported their cause, but at the end of the day... Fark you all...... You useless, pathetic, good for nothing, unappreciative a holes... I have always had more respect for Armada and Slackers and at the end of the day, we consider them more our friends than the Minmatar, who just dont get it... We wont be proppin you up anymore Minmatar, we wont be covering your arses and FC'ing the fleet battles that help you win.... You are now our enemies.. Pirates are pirates, we will be shooting everything that isnt blue to us.... * Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 04:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 02:27:51 Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. Combine this with the recent incursions of multiple pirate factions on the side of the Minmitar, and the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Is it not enough that you outnumber us in every way possible? Is it not enough to fight in the heat of battle, and know that your victory is yours to claim, and not an outside entity? Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle over this pathetic attempt to dominate our skies. The Minmitar are on the ropes, and they are using every possible method to try to claim victory. No matter how diluted their "victory" may be. Lets show the Minmitar that they can bring whoever they like to this fight. We will still send them back to Amamake with their tails between their legs. Minmitar Militia, Pathetic, simply pathetic Dont be complaining about pirates right now sweetheart, the tides have just turned in your favour.. Today Minmatar Militia came to a gate as we were attacking our enemies and engaged my fleet and I lost a ship..... They were told in local communications what we were doing and they would not be targeted and they decided to engage anyway.. Minmatar Militia just officially lost heretic support once and for all.. You have abused us, used us, taken us for granted and attributed all your sucesses to everyone but Heretics as we paved the way to Victory from the very beginning... The Amarr just got an ally without even realising it... Low security space has always been a pirate haven.......... We tried to help the Minmatar as we have always supported their cause, but at the end of the day... F*ark you all...... You useless, pathetic, good for nothing, unappreciative a holes... I have always had more respect for Armada and Slackers and at the end of the day, we consider them more our friends than the Minmatar, who just dont get it... We wont be proppin you up anymore Minmatar, we wont be covering your arses and FC'ing the fleet battles that help you win.... You are now our enemies.. Pirates are pirates, we will be shooting everything that isnt blue to us.... Heretic was the glue that held the minmitars binding together. Interesting times ahead. It was an honor fighting you Yendaj. Im sure we will speak again.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.12 05:22:00 - [6] Fire detected, commencing pouring benzin on the fire. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:36:00 - [7] Edited by: MADDOGzors on 12/10/2008 07:36:58 Waahhhh... Listen you amarr scum, do us all a favor and yank your manpon out to absorb those tears.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 07:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Wraithstorm http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/sinbignasty/EVE/TZVIhotdrop10-11-08.jpg Why do you imagine that we would ignore a slaver capital ship?
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 08:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Yendaj Dont be complaining about pirates right now sweetheart, the tides have just turned in your favour.. Today Minmatar Militia came to a gate as we were attacking our enemies and engaged my fleet and I lost a ship..... They were told in local communications what we were doing and they would not be targeted and they decided to engage anyway.. Minmatar Militia just officially lost heretic support once and for all.. I'm not entirely certain of the leadership structure, but you've been saying that you've been killing the Minimater Militia, so why wouldn't they kill you? In fact I believe you said.. Originally by: Yendaj And to the other happy commenter.... Heretic Nation can also be found on plenty of Minmtar loss mails as the source of their destruction....Pirates do that you know, kill people, indescriminantly....
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 09:01:00 - [10] Whilst our corp was serving in the militia, we never once saw the Amarrian forces deploying capitals at stargates, and other such bold acts. We kept our capitals on standby for such an occasion, and we were consistently disappointed. Now that the minmatar militia lack capital-heavy corps, the Amarrians have seen fit to become a little more bold. Some might say too bold, and indeed, predictable. The assets of slavers are legitimate targets. Perhaps you will think twice in the future before deploying your capital ships outside of dock range, in what are otherwise conventional ship fights. The Amarrian militia may like the advantage that it gives them in combat. We like the targets it provides us as opportunists. It is all in the balance of risk versus reward. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.10.12 09:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Wraithstorm the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK Originally by: Wraithstorm multiple pirate factions Originally by: Wraithstorm Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle Originally by: Wraithstorm the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Good self analysis.
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.12 09:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Algey Originally by: Yendaj Dont be complaining about pirates right now sweetheart, the tides have just turned in your favour.. Today Minmatar Militia came to a gate as we were attacking our enemies and engaged my fleet and I lost a ship..... They were told in local communications what we were doing and they would not be targeted and they decided to engage anyway.. Minmatar Militia just officially lost heretic support once and for all.. I'm not entirely certain of the leadership structure, but you've been saying that you've been killing the Minimater Militia, so why wouldn't they kill you? In fact I believe you said.. Originally by: Yendaj And to the other happy commenter.... Heretic Nation can also be found on plenty of Minmtar loss mails as the source of their destruction....Pirates do that you know, kill people, indescriminantly.... Without running through the entire thing from start to finish.. Minmatar have always been slap happpy with their guns including shooting their own FC Mirrorgod on so many occasions I have lost count now.. Though we tolerated this for quite some time as the behaviour of baby pod pilots... They then took it upon themselves to venture out in their blobs and attack anyone else they saw fit when the Amarr remained docked up... We can go around in a who did what all day long..... Its really quite simple, one situation where Minmatar were told that the people we were shooting at were enemies and that we werent there for them, they then waited 2 mins as we killed the enemies before opening fire on us...and now expect Heretics who have propped them up from day one to give a snot about them.... Get a grip... Minmatar are also probably some of the worst loot stealers of all the factions..... Even when Heretics had a huge war chest that we used to reimburse thier ship loses, they still stole from our wrecks personaly and abused us at every turn...I've not recieved the loot back from one ship I have lost to date..... Most of the time the Minmatar shot at us first and died miserably as a result.... So take it as you wish to take it... No longer my problem... ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 10:01:00 - [13] I'd expect that. The militias do not all work together, and Mirrorgod is something of a blinky pirate. The militia used to shoot at us from time to time when we were deployed. The point is though that you said that you do attack the militia now and again, so being surprised that they shoot at you when you're hunting them, or not hunting them, seems a little naive.
Scagga Laebetrovo Evil Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:35:00 - [14] The Amarr Militia has weathered hardship many times before. As every storm has its phases, the eyewall has just made its entrance. It, like all Minmatar efforts, will be transient and dissipate with time.
Mukiri Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Mukiri on 12/10/2008 11:53:29 Pathetic, simply pathetic. Are the supporters of the Amarr so blind that they think they can warp reality with their words alone? War is not about what is fair or what is the way we want it. War is ugly, nasty, violent and to win you use WHATEVER means you must. It is not desperation to use whatever you can to hurt the enemy, it is war plain and simple. So spin your propoganda, tell yourself how noble and righteous you are but when the war ends and the Minmatar stand free it will not matter how we are free, simply the fact that we ARE FREE!
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:16:00 - [16] Edited by: zoolkhan on 12/10/2008 12:22:30 Originally by: Wraithstorm Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? if you consider ushra'khan to be an outsider in the fight for minmatar freedom then you display a massive educational lack. As far i remember we picked up the fight long before foundation of the militias. Originally by: Invelious Pathetic aren't they. Well they just prove the point that dogs move in packs, You mean Wolfes. Dogs are actually rarely ever seen away from a holder. Originally by: Wraithstorm in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. I take this as acknowledgement that we succseeded recruiting -forum
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:23:00 - [17] Dear diary, today, for the first time in a while the amarrians decided not to use 6-9 cap ships to swing the tide in an 60 v 60 fight as they have done the past few weeks. As a result they didn't lose them. Some how they seem to think that they needed to throw this up to the greater community as proof that the minmatar republic is pathetic. Apparantly having friends who are willing for fight for a cause and who are only too happy to come play cap games is a cause for being called weak now.... Got to wander what they think of CVA from all this :)
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:41:00 - [18] I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2008.10.12 12:49:00 - [19] The problem with the Heretic in war is not so easy and maybe I'm just a very small warrior from the lines, but I downed on of them and was downed by them. Why? In the heat of battle you often have to react very fast and many of the militia forces have few or no experience with that. A few days ago my group came to a gate where we saw a lot of blinking neutrals that were fighting some targets. We could not see if the wartarget was the target or the alliance of this event and I simply got the order to go and tackle. That I did, targets were names, suddenly I saw "Mirrorgod" on my locks and warped out as fast as it was possible. The rest of my group was downed in the event, we downed nobody. After this the Heretics were set blue on our display so this could not happen again. So, it's like in every war: friendly fire isn't, and in the heat of a battle those things may happen. I could see the Warnings on local the second I warped out cause war in a Rifter is a very fast thing and I usually don't have time to read the local while fighting. I can't say that I'm happy about losing an allied force such strong as the Heretics just cause some friendly fire. I never blamed them for downing my ship(s). DIVIDE AND CONQUER, that's written on the wrecked bow of an amarr vessel that I did hang at the ceiling on one of our militia bars. And this will happen. We may outnumber the Amarr, shure. But we are not winning the war. You can count the few veterans on our side while the Amarr have very few green pilots in their ranks, all ships I helped to down are piloted by veterans and fitted with T2 stuff most of us neither can handle nor afford. To pocket away the loot may be a problem. But neither I nor the people I fly with do this. I never got back one of my cheap T1 fitted Rifters, but am happy to have been supported with money to be able to come back. Other people may have huge amounts of isk stored on their accounts, but I have not and many of the pilots I know neither. Cause many of us do their duty the moment they reach the faction standing needed for military duty and not a minute later. It is a funny thing that some people see a "veteran" in me yet and it's telling stories about the level of our average pilot cause I am no veteran at all, just one of the green pilots from the ranks that have yet seen a fight. If one like me has sometimes command over wings and is seen as a veteran, then we really need help. Thats for shure. So are you really shure you want to hand us over to the overwhelming power of the Amarr slaverarmy and call us thieves and triggerhappy yahoos? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Sapphrine Dear diary, today, for the first time in a while the amarrians decided not to use 6-9 cap ships to swing the tide in an 60 v 60 fight as they have done the past few weeks. As a result they didn't lose them. Some how they seem to think that they needed to throw this up to the greater community as proof that the minmatar republic is pathetic. Apparantly having friends who are willing for fight for a cause and who are only too happy to come play cap games is a cause for being called weak now.... Got to wander what they think of CVA from all this :) You Sapphy,who are my friend.... I number them as few... You are the one I shed tears over now... Do not count us as your enemy, for we have been your friend and supporter for so long now we have lost track of time... Know that whatever comes from here on in.... Heretics must take care of its own.. You are now and will always be countered among our friends and you know that should you ever call we would be there.... That is all I can say towards you now my friend... You know the heart of Heretics... Do not ever forget who we are... ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
khamn	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:28:00 - [21] Friendly fires always happens when people who fight 'together' don't have set mutual blue standings and practise NBSI (or 'flagged-KOS'). End of story. Negociate standings or assume your loss ...
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/10/2008 14:02:06 Originally by: Wraithstorm Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. And why shouldn't they? We seek to free the slaves and fight the slavers, why should the Minmatar militia not have our help? Perhaps you also think that U'K corps should not temporarily join the militia either?
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 12/10/2008 14:00:08 Originally by: khamn Friendly fires always happens when people who fight 'together' don't have set mutual blue standings and practise NBSI (or 'flagged-KOS'). End of story. Negociate standings or assume your loss ... Exactly what we did. And if my word counts on this it will stay for I don't fire on Mitar ships if they don't show hostile actions or I'm told otherwise from the FC. But there are many corporations involved in this war and the first thing that should be done is to blue all standings. Maybe this is more of a problem than triggerhappy pilots. I was on duty in militia fleets and the FC was announcing clear that nobody should fire on neutrals if they really, really don't know exactly what they do. And this we did. Or better: I did, for I can't speak for anybody else. But it's a shame to lose guns on our side. The Amarr are dominant on most occations but numbers. And to bring down the Amarr from the Top Rankings of the statistics is a question of honour for me. I try to work on that the next week. Even if I can't hope to survive a battle with Veshta Yoshida a minute. There must be a way... -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/10/2008 14:02:06 Originally by: Wraithstorm Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. And why shouldn't they? We seek to free the slaves and fight the slavers, why should the Minmatar militia not have our help? Perhaps you also think that U'K corps should not temporarily join the militia either? Not at all. If UK Corporations want to join the Minmitar militia to fight alongside fellow s****then that is for them to decide. At least then they are valid targets. Now, I will once again remind those who dont know or fail to acknowledge, that in the beginning of this conflict the Amarr Militia fell victim to countless Capital hotdrops at the hands of 0utbreak, a then Minmitar Militia power Corporation... Since they've left the Minmitar Militia Capital presence has been extinguished while the Amarr Militia began fielding several in combat to even the odds a bit as we were, and still are outnumbered during most battles. These Capitals were from a Militia Corporation. Mine to be precise. You are speaking to a Fleet Commander whos lost and won many battles. I know more then most all is fair in love, and war, as do my men. The point Im trying to make is that yet again the Minmitar militia proves that if they cannot beat em, call on someone else to do it for you. Its still pathetic no matter how UK pilots try to spin it, and the public sees right through it.
Galliana Foresta Gallente Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:42:00 - [25] Thanks for the pewpew HRECY. Always garaunteed a fight with you guys around. U'K can die in a fire, however. 20 caps to bolster your crippled Minmatar subcap fleet in a fight you were bound to lose. HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:47:00 - [26] Dear gods, will Armada never shut up? What pompous ******s. ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38 Originally by: Grr I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do. Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence. The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this. We know our place in the food chain. Do you? ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:44:00 - [28] It astonishes me that the Amarr will drop eight carriers on top of a battleship fleet, and then complain about the Minmatar militia's tactics. I mean, eight carriers - fine. OK. You have them, so you might as well drop them, doesn't make sense to just keep them mothballed. But then the Minmatar start calling in their allies... that's quite the beyond pail. How dare they call in people with ideological similarities to them? How dare they call in privateers who want to shoot at people, and happen to want to shoot at the Amarr more than the Minmatar? How dare they not lie down and die like you want them to? I completely agree with you sir. It's quite pathetic of the Minmatar to want to win the war. They should just lie down and die, like the Amarr demand of them. ... oh wait. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.10.12 16:00:00 - [29] Did someone actually call U'K "outsiders"? I must have accidentally invented a form of drop the effects of which don't wear off normally... Because this thread simply cannot exist, it is too bizarre. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 16:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38 Originally by: Grr I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do. Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence. The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this. We know our place in the food chain. Do you? I see the Ushra'Khan habit of taking credit for others work is rubbing off nicely onto you butters. Now I understand you would never put your capital fleet in a position where it could take harm, we however do not think that way. The only way to learn is by doing, capital ships are not expensive but experience is priceless. Let us see if that Ushra'Khan capital fleet is so brave now it has been marked.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:11:00 - [31] Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 17:11:55 Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38 Originally by: Grr I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do. Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence. The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this. We know our place in the food chain. Do you? I see the Ushra'Khan habit of taking credit for others work is rubbing off nicely onto you butters. Now I understand you would never put your capital fleet in a position where it could take harm, we however do not think that way. The only way to learn is by doing, capital ships are not expensive but experience is priceless. Let us see if that Ushra'Khan capital fleet is so brave now it has been marked. Daily religious brainwashing is clearly numbing your mind. Do please highlight the part of my GalNet transmission where I take 'credit' for anything. I am merely recounting facts. In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:45:00 - [32] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 17:46:09 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/10/2008 15:51:33 It astonishes me that the Amarr will drop eight carriers on top of a battleship fleet, and then complain about the Minmatar militia's tactics. I mean, eight carriers - fine. OK. You have them, so you might as well drop them, doesn't make sense to just keep them mothballed. But then the Minmatar start calling in their allies... that's quite the beyond pale. How dare they call in people with ideological similarities to them? How dare they call in privateers who want to shoot at people, and happen to want to shoot at the Amarr more than the Minmatar? How dare they not lie down and die like you want them to? I completely agree with you sir. It's quite pathetic of the Minmatar to want to win the war. They should just lie down and die, like the Amarr demand of them. ... oh wait. You have the nerve to speak of Amarr hotdropping Minmitar when all we could do at the beginning of this conflict for the first 2 months was sitback and watch Capital after Capital of the Minmitar hotdropped on our Battleship fleets? Even with Armada hotdropping we STILL dont even come close to the Minmitar in the number of times we've used our Capitals on the field of battle. AT LEAST we were outnumbered when we hotdropped. At LEAST they were Militia Capitals dropped, and not that of an outide entity, faction loyalist or not. You are funny in your logic Sir. Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord whatever so yes, for the sake of this statement they are outsiders. War is not fair, use what you must to claim victory. It does NOT take away from the fact that in the end the Minmitar Militia cannot do anything without calling on the help of others. END STATEMENT
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:51:00 - [33] FW use capships? We will be watching more closely now. Thanks for the Intel
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Butter Dog Whilst our corp was serving in the militia, we never once saw the Amarrian forces deploying capitals at stargates, and other such bold acts. We kept our capitals on standby for such an occasion, and we were consistently disappointed. Now that the minmatar militia lack capital-heavy corps, the Amarrians have seen fit to become a little more bold. Some might say too bold, and indeed, predictable. The assets of slavers are legitimate targets. Perhaps you will think twice in the future before deploying your capital ships outside of dock range, in what are otherwise conventional ship fights. The Amarrian militia may like the advantage that it gives them in combat. We like the targets it provides us as opportunists. It is all in the balance of risk versus reward. So in addition to the 0utbreak Capitals that were consistently dropped on us, you had yours on standby in addition? Well then, I guess that answers your question as to why you didnt see many Amarr Capitals. Add to the fact that Armada was newly formed, and did not yet boast the Capital fleet we do, and you have your answer. Predictable? We've used our Capitals in hotdrop situations 3 maybe 4 times? I hardly call that predictable. Kill one, then you can claim we're predictable. You said it yourself, you are an opportunist, and I have to respect you for that.
Wraithstorm Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.12 17:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Redback911 FW use capships? We will be watching more closely now. Thanks for the Intel Yay!!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.12 18:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/10/2008 18:17:57 Originally by: Wraithstorm You have the nerve to speak of Amarr hotdropping Minmitar when all we could do at the beginning of this conflict for the first 2 months was sitback and watch Capital after Capital of the Minmitar hotdropped on our Battleship fleets? Even with Armada hotdropping we STILL dont even come close to the Minmitar in the number of times we've used our Capitals on the field of battle. AT LEAST we were outnumbered when we hotdropped. At LEAST they were Militia Capitals dropped, and not that of an outide entity, faction loyalist or not. Did I ever say that Amarr dropping capitals was an unacceptable tactic? Did I ever criticise them specifically for dropping capitals? If Amarr want to risk assets that cost over a billion each (with fittings all told) and more than six months of training - farbeit from me to stop them. No, not at all - it makes it all the sweeter when you lose them. If ever I have said that the Amarr shouldn't drop capitals, please, show me where I said it, for apparently I'm saying things that I myself don't agree with, and I'd hate to do that. Originally by: Wraithstorm Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord whatever so yes, for the sake of this statement they are outsiders. War is not fair, use what you must to claim victory. It does NOT take away from the fact that in the end the Minmitar Militia cannot do anything without calling on the help of others. So basically, you're criticising Minmatar (yes, that's Minmatar - it's not hard to spell correctly, dear, it's pasted plain as day in almost every thread that involves any sort of interfactional politics. Even your comrades in other parts of the Amarr militia can garner enough respect, both for the Minmatar and for themselves, to spell the name of their enemy correctly) loyalists for calling on the services of Ushra'Khan - who are also Minmatar loyalists. Exactly when did loyalists calling to loyalists of the same cause become calling on outside help? Your arrogant self-deception is incredibly amusing. As for pirates supporting the Minmatar militia, I believe that there was a big furore about Slacker Industries supporting the Amarr. Apparently some of your militia consider Slackers to be little more than privateers yet even the Minmatar haven't sunk to throwing accusations about pirate support against you - although your own side certainly has. And while we're talking about outside support, let us not forget that you have CVA on your side. Truly pathetic - by your own standards. You should be ashamed. Originally by: Wraithstorm You are funny in your logic Sir. Not half so much as you, "sir". ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 19:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 12/10/2008 14:58:38 Originally by: Grr I won't speak on behalf of the rest of the alliance but thoughts in my mind are "free cap kills to pad my killboard stats" It's a shame I have better things to do. Do remind us what happened to last CVA capital fleet which ventured out from the protection of the cynojammed cushion of Providence. The CVA have made foes with enough entities to understand that in deeper waters, bigger fish swim. They need only look to Catch to understand this. We know our place in the food chain. Do you? I see the Ushra'Khan habit of taking credit for others work is rubbing off nicely onto you butters. Now I understand you would never put your capital fleet in a position where it could take harm, we however do not think that way. The only way to learn is by doing, capital ships are not expensive but experience is priceless. Let us see if that Ushra'Khan capital fleet is so brave now it has been marked. Raising your gammy leg and spraying the enemy Caps now Solly ?, whatever next !! , Scagga not around to do yer bidding ?.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 19:25:00 - [38] Wraithstorm, you are simply the biggest fool of the day. Ushra'Khan have been fighting slavery in one form or another and the Amarr since before you got your pod license. To now call us outsiders because we are not 'officially' entombed in the over-restrictive militia framework is so weak an argument you might have better spent the time and brainpower making a simple cup of coffee. Your argument is nothing more than a technical point, like anyone not in a militia structure has no right to fight in it. Next time you are flying along side the CVA, remember your pointless words. I am sure you will keep your lips sealed on both of your faces though. As for the capital fleet, I would say the objective of breaking your militia's dominance on that front for the evening was broken. Spin that away. Fair enough though, they were not destroyed and can come out to play once their pilots stop hiding. But believe me, you can't escape the fact that they retreated. I hope the simplicity of this point gets through to you, as you only seem to understand the simple things. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 20:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Butter Dog In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region. Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.12 20:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region. Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters. Glad to see you guys aren't just hiding in provi and hoping CVA aren't next on someones hitlist :) and before we go there, no Tri's attack on you really doesn't count as a serious attack given they clearly got bored and went home. Enjoy your deluded belief in your security in provi.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog In recent memory, the CVA have only committed capital ships in numbers twice outside their own cynojammed systems. And following your failed assault into Catch, I can hardly blame you. It was not the best way to make friends with the current owners of that region. Im glad to see your intel gathering network is as good as ever butters. Do feel free to correct me, should any of my assertions be inaccurate. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:48:00 - [42] Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is.
Mukiri Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.12 22:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Garreck Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is. There was no discussion just another Amarr attempt to spin an event that went poorly form them in a way that makes the other side look bad. Amarrians do not "discuss" they spin..
Reptar Dragon THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.10.12 23:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Mukiri Originally by: Garreck Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is. There was no discussion just another Amarr attempt to spin an event that went poorly form them in a way that makes the other side look bad. Amarrians do not "discuss" they spin.. No I'm pretty sure they're discussing. And I'm also pretty sure the thread's been derailed. Nice Wyvern.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 00:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/10/2008 00:10:05 Originally by: Garreck Glad to see CVA's defeated enemies can still derail a discussion into how horrible CVA is. glad to see that a year on and growing in strength we're still defeated :) traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated... a quick look at your current emperesses miraculous appearance from the dead would show you that surely! edit: for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly? you're red to half the amarrian militia and had utterly nothing to do with this engagement at all... and you're sitting there claiming that We're derailing this thread! Get hardin back, he's significantly better at spin than you guys are!
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 00:14:00 - [46] Whilst we're on the topic, since U'K is now the new Outbreak, please feel free to contact a U'K diplomat if you're interested in joining the elite minmatar roleplayers. :) we are happy to talk to individuals and corporations interested in fighting for our cause.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 01:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Garreck on 13/10/2008 01:35:00 Originally by: Sapphrine traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated A very good point, Sapphrine. So I suppose by this logic, outside of the typical pointless rhetoric, CVA and Ushra'Khan are proving quite healthy and successful. What to do now? Keep slinging mud at each-other? Originally by: Sapphrine for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly? For those keeping track, a CVA pilot answered a question from you concerning CVA.
Tavor Jeager Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 05:22:00 - [48] The Amarr militia surprisingly enough is a supporter of the Amarr Empire and as such supports the enslavement of Minmatar people. The Ushra'khan exists to fight the Amarr and free the enslaved, we are by no means outsiders you are our enemy no matter what you or the likes of Concord, the Republic or the Empire might think you are our enemy and you are valid targets and we will shoot you it is that simple. Tavor Jeager Matari Warrior
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 06:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 13/10/2008 01:37:43 Originally by: Sapphrine traditionally you need to get an enemy to die before claiming they're defeated A very good point, Sapphrine. So I suppose by this logic, outside of the typical pointless rhetoric, CVA and Ushra'Khan are proving quite healthy and successful. What to do now? Keep slinging mud at each-other? Originally by: Sapphrine for those keeping track, cva why are you posting here exactly? For those keeping track, a CVA pilot answered a question from you concerning CVA. You welcomed CVA as a part of the discussion when you could use our name to infer insult...suddenly you seem less interested in having us in the discussion at all. For those keeping track ! What exactly is CVA,s policy these days with regards to supporting the Amarr Militia ?. It seems to change week by week depending on your mood swings . I'd wholeheartedly apologise as a defeated dying alliance if I could find it in me ,but .....
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 08:42:00 - [50] Edited by: Poreuomai on 13/10/2008 08:43:45 Edited by: Poreuomai on 13/10/2008 08:43:26 Originally by: Wraithstorm Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/10/2008 14:02:06 Originally by: Wraithstorm Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. And why shouldn't they? We seek to free the slaves and fight the slavers, why should the Minmatar militia not have our help? Perhaps you also think that U'K corps should not temporarily join the militia either? Not at all. If UK Corporations want to join the Minmatar militia to fight alongside fellow s**then that is for them to decide. Maybe I misunderstood your complaint then. So if "the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them" and most U'K corps had temporarily joined the militia, you would have been happy with that? And in case you didn't know, the U'K alliance** would love to join the militia ... but concord does not let us.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:13:00 - [51] CONCORDS restrictions have never been an issue for a freedom fighter. CONCORD recognition of legalised slavery in Amarr and Khanid territories, and the dominance of keeping the status quo, is exactly why Yulai had to be put out of action. Ushra'Khan has been going beyond the call of legality for many years in its pursuit of the freedom of the Minmatar peoples from slavery. You slavers will continue to bark about rules and regulations, for those are in your interest. We, the Freedom Fighters, spit on those rules. Your spin is weak. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc	Posted - 2008.10.13 09:16:00 - [52] Welcome back to the Bleaks Brothers. Thanks for bringing the rain, both in cap support and the ensuing Amarrian tears. As Shakor so wisely said, the Amarr are "people whose motivations, masked though they may be by florid religious claptrap, remain as base and despicable as those of the playground bully." Just like a playground bully you have been dropping capital ships on cruiser gangs, hiring pirates and mercs to fight us and even inserting spies into the Tribal Liberation Force. But lo, the moment your hubris as well as your own tactics are turned against you it is all so terribly terribly unfair. Brothers and Sisters of the Tribal Liberation Force and the freedom fighters of the Ushra'Khan. I salute you. Thrace Inc Poster
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:07:00 - [53] The fight for GOD and Empire is fought on several fronts. In the Empire itself we are daily converting thousands of heretics to GOD's holy cause, and teaching them how to walk the path of the righteous. The Amarr Militia are reclaiming systems on behalf of the Empire and routinely dispatching the rabble sent against them by the rebel Minmatar "government". And in Providence CVA and her friends continue to keep the spacelanes open to empire loyalists and civilians alike. GOD is smiling upon our efforts. That much seems certain. Our opponents, on the other side, are reduced to squabbling amongst themselves and trying to foment strife in loyalist ranks. They are obviously without capacity for doing anything else. So rejoice brothers and sisters. We are walking the path of righteousness and we can stand tall and proud in the light of GOD. Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:26:00 - [54] "trying to foment strife in loyalist ranks"? This from the people planning and funding corporate theft against groups like the 17th. Your hoods have been blown back, you are revealed for what you are. Amarrians. Pathetic, simply pathetic. Thrace Inc Poster
Scagga Laebetrovo Evil Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Conlin Raising your gammy leg and spraying the enemy Caps now Solly ?, whatever next !! , Scagga not around to do yer bidding ?. Touche
Teh HoggsMuffin Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.13 11:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus In the Empire itself we are daily converting thousands of heretics to GOD's holy cause, and teaching them how to walk the path of the righteous. Bull. Heretics would have only left the empire in the first place because they have strong minds, minds that could never be converted back. Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing? ------------- [Service] Alliance & Corp creation
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Teh HoggsMuffin Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing? I suspect they mostly use that technique on themselves.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Did someone actually call U'K "outsiders"? I must have accidentally invented a form of drop the effects of which don't wear off normally... Because this thread simply cannot exist, it is too bizarre. had the same drug .. weirdness.. they told me it boosts armour .. recruiting -forum
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 12:56:00 - [59] Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/10/2008 12:56:43 Originally by: Wraithstorm Furthermore, UK, like CVA are not directly involved in this conflict as they are not officially sanctioned by the Militias/Concord CVA & UK are the spearheads of this conflict. And there is nothing to be sanctioned, this war is outside of concord auhtority - its not up to them to sanction it, also not by any of the militias - theyre fighting in our trailwaters and in the trailwaters of our former cast out thukker friends. It has been sanctioned by Malaetu Shakor in the Name of the Elders, and those in Concord who wanted to regulate it have died. Those who gathered their senses are now Protecting what little influence sphere is left to them. Last but not least, why should any matari care too much about your opinion. The opinion of a Caldari, instead of figting alongside tibus heth to conserve his own precious caldari nationalist state - youre fighting for religious madmen who cannot let lose of unhuman customs and gold paint on their ships. Next you will lecture us lessons from the scriptures to underline our competence and authority in these matters. Thank you very much sir, thats comedy quality - and i will certainly tune in again to this channel. recruiting -forum
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 13:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Teh HoggsMuffin Heretics would have only left the empire in the first place because they have strong minds, minds that could never be converted back. Unless, of course, you're employing some kind of brainwashing? When a canvass is painted with an image that is an affront to GOD, it is the duty of the righteous to correct the error. We will erase the image and replace it with a homage to all that is holy. That way, even that which is born as a mockery of GOD may be turned to his praise and serve his purpose in the end. It is this way we prove our undying love and affection for the lesser beings of this universe. We endeavor to give them a purpose and fate far above that which they were born to. We will not waste any canvass if it can be at all helped. But perhaps you would rather have us destroy and burn it outright? The barbarian way? Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:19:00 - [61] garrek, let me be a little clearer then as it seems years of zealotry has rotted your brain, I was mocking Wraith for his comparison of u'k using CVA as a comparable demonstration. Further and in light of CVA's stunning failure to keep on side with the amarrian militia i thought it made an amusing juxtaposition. You seem to have this deluded belief that every time CVA is written somewhere someone is asking for your unwanted comments.
Sinia Viziam	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:44:00 - [62] How exactly is CVA and Slackers shooting at each other any different from Outbreak and Ushra'Khan shooting at each other while Outbreak were members of the Matari militia? Pot kettle black?
Demonor Gallente Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:37:00 - [63] All that was really funny....Just goes to show how the minmitars are so desperate for kills they Hotdropped a Rev/moros on a Crow/ishkur. The ishkur being mine. Sadly for there Cyno ruppy pilot did not survive :) So more or less it is getting more and more lame. Just yesterday we had even odd numbers even though they were slightly heavy. We Still stood our grounds to fight, As they were taking a beating Yet Again getting hotdropped by a Moros/Rev, Pilots are EMF and ThatCCP. Come fight in real ships we shall see how long you last. As for Heretics always been a pleasure fighting you guys.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:41:00 - [64] What amazing feat of logical contortion allowed you to classify capital ships as not being "real ships"? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:15:00 - [65] Originally by: Demonor All that was really funny....Just goes to show how the minmitars are so desperate for kills they Hotdropped a Rev/moros on a Crow/ishkur. The ishkur being mine. Sadly for there Cyno ruppy pilot did not survive :) So more or less it is getting more and more lame. Just yesterday we had even odd numbers even though they were slightly heavy. We Still stood our grounds to fight, As they were taking a beating Yet Again getting hotdropped by a Moros/Rev, Pilots are EMF and ThatCCP. Come fight in real ships we shall see how long you last. As for Heretics always been a pleasure fighting you guys. We would only ever hotdrop dreadnoughts to kill capital class ships. I think even the most inexperienced of pilots understands that you cannot kill support ships with capital class guns. If we wanted to engage with your support fleet, we'd have all been in carriers. We're really not interested in destroying swarms of Omens and Harbingers which look like they've been fitted from a Jita scrapyard. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Sapphrine You seem to have this deluded belief that every time CVA is written somewhere someone is asking for your unwanted comments. Oh, I'm well aware of your purpose in bringing us up. I'm merely highlighting the humor in all this. Mention of CVA is okay when it's on your terms. When CVA actually enters the discussion to speak for themselves, suddenly it's time to put a lid on any CVA talk at all. That's good stuff, Sapphrine.
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 02:27:51 Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. Combine this with the recent incursions of multiple pirate factions on the side of the Minmitar, and the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Is it not enough that you outnumber us in every way possible? Is it not enough to fight in the heat of battle, and know that your victory is yours to claim, and not an outside entity? Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle over this pathetic attempt to dominate our skies. The Minmitar are on the ropes, and they are using every possible method to try to claim victory. No matter how diluted their "victory" may be. Lets show the Minmitar that they can bring whoever they like to this fight. We will still send them back to Amamake with their tails between their legs. Minmitar Militia, Pathetic, simply pathetic You know that there is no such thing as a "diluted victory" right? All is far in love and war. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Sinia How exactly is CVA and Slackers shooting at each other any different from Outbreak and Ushra'Khan shooting at each other while Outbreak were members of the Matari militia? Pot kettle black? the difference is: tri(in militia) attacked UK , reason they gave: UK is shooting amarr. UK retreated to not hinder the minmatar militia success at that time. CVA attacked slackers ( in amarr militia) not caring about the effect on the amarr success at that time, placing the CVA roe higher than the empire defense. see the difference?
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Butter Dog If we wanted to engage with your support fleet, we'd have all been in carriers. We're really not interested in destroying swarms of Omens and Harbingers which look like they've been fitted from a Jita scrapyard. Individual Dog I would recommend you check our killboard. A Navy Megathron was destroyed in the Bleaks with a fitting even worse than scrapyard. I believe it is referred to as a "honor tank". I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Demonor All that was really funny....Just goes to show how the minmitars are so desperate for kills they Hotdropped a Rev/moros on a Crow/ishkur. The ishkur being mine. Sadly for there Cyno ruppy pilot did not survive :) So more or less it is getting more and more lame. Just yesterday we had even odd numbers even though they were slightly heavy. We Still stood our grounds to fight, As they were taking a beating Yet Again getting hotdropped by a Moros/Rev, Pilots are EMF and ThatCCP. Come fight in real ships we shall see how long you last. As for Heretics always been a pleasure fighting you guys. I'm mentioned on the forums! Wheeeeeee, do I win EVE now? Having said that we're being hunted by BOTH the amarr and heretics. Great fun, YARR. And the above is what happens when the bait cyno rupture gets caught by a crow and ishkur and runs out of capacitor. :( Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Garreck Oh, I'm well aware of your purpose in bringing us up. I'm merely highlighting the humor in all this. Mention of CVA is okay when it's on your terms. When CVA actually enters the discussion to speak for themselves, suddenly it's time to put a lid on any CVA talk at all. That's good stuff, Sapphrine. I'm fairly certain cycling it around a third time wont really improve the quality of dialogue, lets just say you need something new to do with your time than repeat the same nosensical argument in a different way.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:52:00 - [72] For those of you who haven't noticed, Ushra'Khan has, since it's inception, taken ... shall we say, a "keen interest" in the activities of slavers, with (and this is no secret) the ultimate purpose of ensuring an end those activities for all time. I realize that many of the members of the Amarrian militia -- being recent coverts to the slaver cause -- might be unaware of this, but warriors raising the bloody fist of the Ushra'Khan have been fighting against the empire whose flag you wave and its supporters since before most of you first saw the inside of a pod. This latest CONCORD-sponsored variation on a conflict that has raged for a millenia is a new war only in your feeble minds. If you are surprised by our interest and involvement ... frankly, you've not been paying attention. Consider this a mild warning: we will fight against slavers wherever and whenever we choose. The determined warriors of the Tribal Liberation Force and the Militia are our brothers-in-arms and we will fight alongside them as we see fit. Save your opinions regarding our methods for someone who cares. We come for our people. DEATH TO THE CRUSADER SCUM! -- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Sapphrine I'm fairly certain cycling it around a third time wont really improve the quality of dialogue That much is certain.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 04:27:00 - [74] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Sapphrine I'm fairly certain cycling it around a third time wont really improve the quality of dialogue That much is certain. Garreck ma wee munchkin ....... shhh !!!!your starting to look desperately foolish !
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:48:00 - [75] Edited by: zoolkhan on 14/10/2008 08:51:11 Garreck hates us - we hate him. Now that i explained it to you all we can perhaps focus on more important things:) ps: i was rememberd from people in my own alliance that the use of the word trailwater was unfortunate and could be misunderstood (?). If that is the case - I blame my onboard translator, and want everybody to know that i do not disrespect those in the militia who are brothers in arms for a common cause. Education of the Amarr milita whining fraction on our role in the fight against slavery was necessary though. It is a historical fact that the Amarr and the Minmatar militias are walking on an old path created long ago by PIE, FoM, Oracle - who then merged U'K and CVA as soon alliance creation was tolerated by concord. Despite our personal hatered to certain individuals we,the militia members as well,should respect the historical place those institutions have earned. Those whom we have worked with, seem to do so. Those whom we worked against, need to seek council with their old leaders in the conflict ro receive more background on this. if you eat an apple, respect the tree if you drink water, think of the fountain (anonymous poet south-continent planet matar, system pator - 230 years ago) recruiting -forum
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 09:25:00 - [76] Originally by: zoolkhan Education of the Amarr milita whining fraction on our role in the fight against slavery was necessary though. It is a historical fact that the Amarr and the Minmatar militias are walking on an old path created long ago by PIE, FoM, Oracle - who then merged U'K and CVA as soon alliance creation was tolerated by concord. Despite our personal hatered to certain individuals we,the militia members as well,should respect the historical place those institutions have earned. Those whom we have worked with, seem to do so. "Mr" Zoolkhan is quite right concerning the ongoing hatred of the inbred U'K alliance for all that is good and pure. They have fought for their socalled ideals for a long time prior to the formation of the noble Amarr militia. They should be recognized as one of the original sources of evil spreading from the failed Minmatar "republic". The Amarr Militia would do well to respect their provess and capability for evildoing. After all, they have trained and practised it far longer than your average "freedom fighting" zombie. However, while it is true that their abilities should be respected, zoolkhan seems to delude himself into thinking that he himself and his organisation of halfbreeds and subhumans should be respected for what they are. How strange a notion. No true believer will ever respect that which is obviously a mockery of GOD. Ushra Khan should be hunted down and destroyed on sight be every peaceloving and lawabiding citizen of the our glorious empire. Do not be fooled by them not being members of the rebel militia rabble. They are your enemies, no doubt about it. Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2008.10.14 10:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 12/10/2008 02:27:51 Seeing that they could not match the Amarr Militias Capital strength hull for hull in the ongoing battle for supremecy in this war the Minmitar militia have called forth the UK to save them, and attempt to put an end to the Amarr Militias Capital Ship domination in theatre. Combine this with the recent incursions of multiple pirate factions on the side of the Minmitar, and the result you get is 1 desperate enemy. Is it not enough that you outnumber us in every way possible? Is it not enough to fight in the heat of battle, and know that your victory is yours to claim, and not an outside entity? Why call in outsiders to fight your battle for you? Fighters of the Amarr Militia, do not buckle over this pathetic attempt to dominate our skies. The Minmitar are on the ropes, and they are using every possible method to try to claim victory. No matter how diluted their "victory" may be. Lets show the Minmitar that they can bring whoever they like to this fight. We will still send them back to Amamake with their tails between their legs. Minmitar Militia, Pathetic, simply pathetic You guys never change do you? For four years I've heard the same hipocrisy over and over. I've got three words for you mateypoos... SEE VEE AYE Or alternatively you can go with the less mentally challenging... GET OVER IT Jump Bridges? Shit idea.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus They should be recognized as one of the original sources of evil spreading from the failed Minmatar "republic". If an evil person calls you evil, does that mean you are good?
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.10.16 19:42:00 - [79] I'm not normally prone to this kind of post, but this is driving me nuts. It's "Minmatar". "Min" - offspring or little people. "Matar" - the mother planet. "Minmatar" or "Matari", "Minnies" for short. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Koronakesh	Posted - 2008.10.17 02:03:00 - [80] Originally by: Evanda Char I'm not normally prone to this kind of post, but this is driving me nuts. It's "Minmatar". "Min" - offspring or little people. "Matar" - the mother planet. "Minmatar" or "Matari", "Minnies" for short. Indeed heathen evanda, apparently your etymological knowledge knows no bounds. Although I must endorse this idea that matari are metaphorically "littler", if you will, than we Amarr, intellectually speaking of course. There is no reason to include any exaggerated statement of Amarrian capital drops, as was done earlier in this list of correspondence. the matari rebels have used the same to tactic to great effect, sadly enough. My prayers go to those who perished in such engagements. I am saddened by the engagement between SL and CVA, though now that SL is pulling out of the crusade, perhaps some proper sense can once again take hold. Fellow worshippers of Our Most High Lord, have no fear of the servants of the Evil One with whom you wage this holy war. Remember that you do not fight for their destruction, you fight for their redemption. Help them to save them from themselves, and bring these wayward children back onto that Path of Light.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:41:00 - [81] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: Octavinus Augustus They should be recognized as one of the original sources of evil spreading from the failed Minmatar "republic". If an evil person calls you evil, does that mean you are good? It is a sad thing to see that even in your rebellion you still turn to your Amarrian betters for spiritual guidance. You seem to inherently recognize that we Amarr are better spiritual guides than any woodoo priests, freedom philosophers or democratic demagogues you Minmatar are yourself capable of rearing. Yet you persist in rejecting all that is good and true. How can a true believer be anything but sad at this thought? Since you recognize our greater wisdom and seek our advice, why don't you just take the step and come home? Come home to GOD and enlightenment. Come home to peace of mind and purpose of being. Remeber that GOD's word is not a shopping mall. You can not buy some and leave some behind. Our guidance is not to be taken or rejected at your leisure. You either follow the law of GOD or you don't. There's no middle way. Leave your heathen ways behind and return to GOD. He may still find it in his heart to forgive you. Let your penance be a sign of your sincerity. GOD is waiting for his prodigal sons and daughters. Come home. Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Mukiri Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.17 12:16:00 - [82] Edited by: Mukiri on 17/10/2008 12:17:12 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Remeber that GOD's word is not a shopping mall. You can not buy some and leave some behind. Our guidance is not to be taken or rejected at your leisure. You either follow the law of GOD or you don't. There's no middle way. Interesting, your own races history however shows that is exactly how you use God's Word as you put it. You take from it the meaning you wish at the time and then your rulers change it as it suites their needs. Perhaps you should study your races history a bit more fully. Even now you are doing this very thing. Did not your own traditions, based on the word of god demand that the Emperor could not be a clone since this was not a pure form? Yet here we are with a clone on the throne. What was the reasoning for this, was your God not strong enough to raise the dead without the assistance of technology? I find it humorous that a race that has spent their time taking only the parts of their precisous word they like and ignoring the rest would dare tell others that is not how it is done. Have no fear hwoever for as always this will be corrected when yet another volume is written to add to the word of God. Does it not strike anyone else as odd that the Amarr need to keep printing corrections and volumes of changes to Gods word. Do not worry though Amarr sooner or later you will get it right, after all Gods word cannot be perfect until your race says it is, for the moment anyway.
Koronakesh	Posted - 2008.10.17 13:48:00 - [83] Her Holiness is not a clone. Her return to us was prophecied, and that prophecy has been fulfilled. Push aside the demonic influence that has been disguised as logic and accept this. Your soul will be the better for it, if you stop trying to rationalize God's actions, for He, and all His deeds, are above such trivialties. As always, Matari, i wish you freedom from the Deceiver's machinations, and pray you will return to the Lord who still, even now, loves and cares for you.
Mukiri Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.17 16:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Koronakesh Her Holiness is not a clone. Your proof of that is? Where you a witness at her miraculous descent from heaven? Also I find it very telling you do not address the rest of Amarr hsitory of changing the word of god to suit their immediate wants.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Mukiri Does it not strike anyone else as odd that the Amarr need to keep printing corrections and volumes of changes to Gods word. I find it astonishing that you seem to expect that we Amarr should claim to know the mind of GOD himself. While we are undoubtedly the people who understands most of GOD's ultimate purpose, it would be folly indeed to claim that we know his entire mind. That is why we have thousands of scholars studying his will and thoughts. That is why we occasionally discover a tiny bit more of GOD's purpose for this universe. You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem so full of yourself that you cannot believe that any man would admit to lack of knowledge of GOD's mind. You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you are qualified to be a judge of wether your superiors, the Amarr, are true followers of GOD or not. You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you have the knowledge of GOD's will necessary to pass such judgement. You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you are the equal of GOD himself. We Amarr has long since abandoned such hybris on behalf of the individual. We have realized that only through thousands of intellectuals spending millenia to study, may we even begin to comprehend GOD's motives. You seem to believe that you posess such knowledge inherently. You remind me of an insect claiming to understand the will of man. Be silent, listen and learn. You do not know enough to let your voice be heard in the company of men. Submission is not a sign of weakness, but a show of respect! Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:59:00 - [86] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 17/10/2008 19:02:20 Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 17/10/2008 18:59:15 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I find it astonishing that you seem to expect that we Amarr should claim to know the mind of GOD himself. Well that's precisely what you're doing. You're stating that God has a plan for the Minmatar, and that it involves genocide, murder, torture, cruelty and the violation of the implicit and inalienable right of self-determination that is an inseperable property of every human being. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus While we are undoubtedly the people who understands most of GOD's ultimate purpose, By what measure? Originally by: Octavinus Augustus it would be folly indeed to claim that we know his entire mind. Quite so. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus That is why we have thousands of scholars studying his will and thoughts. Do they happen to have a specimen of GOD on hand? Is this empirical research, or unverifiable claims of divine inspiration and misinterpretation of scientific or historical fact until they verified your claims? There's an old story about a Deteis who desired respect from his comrades, and so took a gauss pistol and fired some shots into a wall, painted a target around them and claimed to be a sharpshooter. This story gave the name to the falacy of the Deteis Sharpshooter, where facts are reinterpreted until they support a specific statement. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus That is why we occasionally discover a tiny bit more of GOD's purpose for this universe. Yet curiously, this supposedly infallible and unchanging being seems to change his mind an awful lot. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem so full of yourself that you cannot believe that any man would admit to lack of knowledge of GOD's mind. You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you are qualified to be a judge of wether your superiors, the Amarr, are true followers of GOD or not. No, he's asking you to provide proof that you are indeed their superiors and you are indeed true followers of "GOD". Given that this self-important belief has caused you to callously murder an entire tribe of their people for your own pride and enslave the rest of them, keeping almost one third of their number in captivity to this very day, it's fairly important to them, and they require more compelling evidence than an ancient book which you keep amending whenever it suits you. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you have the knowledge of GOD's will necessary to pass such judgement. No, quite the opposite - he's saying that no-one does, least of all the Amarr. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus You, in the typical Minmatar way, seem to believe that you are the equal of GOD himself. No, he is in fact stating that this is your issue - that you believe yourselves to be equal to "GOD", and somehow possessed of the right to impose your will upon others. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus We Amarr has long since abandoned such hybris on behalf of the individual. We have realized that only through thousands of intellectuals spending millenia to study, may we even begin to comprehend GOD's motives. We'll await your millenia of study. In the meantime, please stop trying to kill and enslave us. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus You seem to believe that you posess such knowledge inherently. You remind me of an insect claiming to understand the will of man. Be silent, listen and learn. You do not know enough to let your voice be heard in the company of men. Submission is not a sign of weakness, but a show of respect! There is no honour or sense in giving respect to those who have not done anything to earn it. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Stunna Shade	Posted - 2008.10.18 22:59:00 - [87] They call me MIKE JONES !
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.22 09:46:00 - [88] Edited by: Poreuomai on 22/10/2008 09:50:47 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus It is a sad thing to see that even in your rebellion you still turn to your Amarrian betters for spiritual guidance. Asking a question and thinking out loud are considered seeking 'spiritual guidance'? How odd. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus why don't you just take the step and come home? Are you seeking my spiritual guidance? How about: Say no to drugs (like vitoc). Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Remeber that GOD's word is not a shopping mall. You can not buy some and leave some behind. Our guidance is not to be taken or rejected at your leisure. You either follow the law of GOD or you don't. There's no middle way. You seem to mix God's word and your own guidance interchangeably. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Leave your heathen ways behind and return to GOD. Mend your own ways before seeking to help others.
Johncrab Minmatar XBeyond	Posted - 2008.10.23 17:16:00 - [89] Edited by: Johncrab on 23/10/2008 17:26:03 Edit: These are older news than I expected, thus I remove my comment.

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