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Joss Sparq
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:22:00 -
[31]
After reading the blog and both related threads, I'm against the change.
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Raquel Trotter
Trotters Independent Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:18:00 -
[32]
Gonna cancel my alt and just run 1 account now.
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Garott
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:20:00 -
[33]
Kill it in order to save the company, or don't, I don't really care. It'll be fun to watch idiots go broke.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:39:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 14/10/2008 03:41:44 (Disclaimer: I do not have an alt, I have not played in 3 months and have been paying the whole time.)
Dear CCP,
Get off your lazy asses and deal with the ISK Farmers (read: anyone name "xghgjsfdj" or similarly) in-game instead of killing your profits with your flawed marketing moves.
Sincerely,
- The people who are about to give their stuff (or not, lol) to someone else.
P.S. Fire the r3tards in marketing.
Now instead of getting $15 every other month or so from alt owners or even people who take breaks once in a while, they'll get nothing! BRILLIANT!
If this goes through, I'm going to jettison every. single. corpse I have right outside Jita 4-4 right before I cancel my account.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:02:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Orion Moonstar **** ccp, if they take this feature out I'm not playing this game anymore
Yes, thank you CCP !!!!
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Seth Ruin
Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:08:00 -
[36]
"Bug" or not, something that has been in the game this long that this many players feel strongly about should not be changed.
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Lady Bollocknose
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:20:00 -
[37]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:46:00 -
[38]
No support here. I really don't see whats wrong with asking people to pay their subscriptions while training skills.
... nothing ever burns down by itself
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:55:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
No support here. I really don't see whats wrong with asking people to pay their subscriptions while training skills.
Less money for them is what's wrong. That and I can't take a break for a month to train a 30 day skills after paying the 3 months before training all the 3-12 day skills for it. Not only are people most likely NOT coming back after taking said break, there are far more pressing matters at hand like ISK Farmers, lag, and fixing the UI, but no, let's "fix" the ghost training instead, in a feeble, yet flawed attempt at making more money.
I'd like to meet the dev that though this was a good idea, so I could give him a nice punt kick in the ass with my steel toed boots. _
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:03:00 -
[40]
It has pros and cons really, if you look at the big picture.
People that have to go away from Eve had something to return for, their long-run skill finishing.
On the other hand there are people creating a bunch of alts while strategically letting them lapse until they're ready to, like, be sold off or gather research points (while the account is not paid for either).
I understand CCPs reasons, but I think the problem is inherent in the way the skill system is done, in that there is no way to progress your character in game, no way to catch up with older players, and spending your first month only training those darned learning skills. Of course, whatever is changed to the skill system now is going to result in a whine just as big as this one is.
In it's current form, all of this sounds like a money grab.
Thats why I want two things from CCP in return for this nerf:
30 Day Gametime Codes back NOW! A skill queue! ---
Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Miyamoto Shigesuke
Jugis Modo Utopia Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:13:00 -
[41]
This will only make quitters not come back any more.
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Shianeer Salvan
Jugis Modo Utopia Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:15:00 -
[42]
Good move to make less subcribers :)
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Chani Moonkeeper
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:17:00 -
[43]
Maybe you should delete inactive accounts too :) |
MyDoctor
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:24:00 -
[44]
Edited by: MyDoctor on 14/10/2008 09:26:15 The skillsystem was one of the main reasons I played eve. If I have to pay for looking at the progress bar, then I can go and play WoW too, it's the same there
Thanks CCP, after 3 years in the game I'm fed up
EDIT: and btw, why aren't you disabling multi-accounting too? I think it's a bug too
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:14:00 -
[45]
ITs a good move to remove the train while you don't pay ability. It never made a lot of sense, and really only benefits the experienced alt-multiple-account crowd, widening the gap between casual and dedicated players even further.
It is a poor move to do so after (by their own words) many people started to use this feature. If the game has this bug for so long, so much that many players start actively using it to their benefit, you will **** off a lot of people if you suddenly remove the feature.
More of a pro-active and less of a re-active policy would work wonders for PR in that respect.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:22:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I understand CCPs reasons, but I think the problem is inherent in the way the skill system is done, in that there is no way to progress your character in game, no way to catch up with older players, and spending your first month only training those darned learning skills. Of course, whatever is changed to the skill system now is going to result in a whine just as big as this one is.
Actually, my prediction for the future (especially if EVE does not increase its rate of growth) is that the pool of older characters for sale will grow and grow, and thus will get cheaper and cheaper. More and more beginning players would be tempted to sell a couple of GTC's and buy these characters. Thus the proportion high-SP characters and low-SP characters will continue to shift, effectively making low-SP players an (insignificant) minority and the need to buy characters greater and greater.
All these people who might decide to discontinue some of their accounts/alts, some might decide to try and sell them or even move them to their main accounts, increasing the amount of available high-SP's. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:51:00 -
[47]
Originally by: MyDoctor Edited by: MyDoctor on 14/10/2008 09:27:12 The skillsystem was one of the main reasons I played eve. If I have to pay for looking at the progress bar, then I can go and play WoW too, it's the same there
LOL.
I love EvE's skill system because it doesn't require me to gridn.
The fact that non-paying accounts still had skill training going on always struck me as more of a bug then anything else.
I mean, seriously, what is the fuss about? Yeah, it forces you to pay for the 4 alt accounts all training skills who you don't play, but I don't see anything wrong with that. For accounts you play on, you're going to keep them subscribed and actually play the game.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:55:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
No support here. I really don't see whats wrong with asking people to pay their subscriptions while training skills.
How about making the change at only 48 hours notice, directly after running a promotion to encourage people to start a second account.
And then lying about why they did it.
And then lying about it being a bug.
And then deleting proof that they lied.
Do you see what's wrong with those?
I'm mildly peeved about losing ghost training; I won't bother with my dread alt any more; CCP will lose the 3 or 4 1-month subscriptions it would have taken to train him and and the 20 euro transfer fee and I won't get a dread alt to help support my alliance. CCP and I both lose out here. I guess I'll have that account as insurance in case anything happens to one of my mains, or maybe I'll win the lottery and have the time and money to manage another active account. Who knows.
I'm absolutely incensed by the high-handed, dishonest and extremely disrespectful way in the way that CCP removed ghost training. First we were fed some utter guff about "game balance" and "complaints", then they tried to claim that inactive characters place a high load on the database , then an outright lie that ghost training was a bug - many times disproven, including with a screen shot of Wrangler's OWN FORUM POST advising players of this feature, I mean "bug", and finally they grudgingly semi-admitted that they just want the money.
We were lied to. We were treated like idiots, and told it was for our own good. We were lied to again. Dishonesty and disrespect are the issues here.
Frankly this affair has destroyed what little faith I had left that CCP have a long term interest in EvE. My characters represent a very considerable investment for me, and now I'm wondering if I should realise that investment while it's still worth anything.
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Hypan
Zebra Corp Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:06:00 -
[49]
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:14:00 -
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And this crap comes in just as im about to start lv5 BS which takes 37 fricken days. They take years to sort somthing out for jita then they take a few days to think, hmm i could make more money out of people who cant be arsed waiting for a skill that takes over a month to do. Any think that improves the game they take ages to do, things that make it worse takes a week.
C*NTS
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Suitonia
interimo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:19:00 -
[51]
Against the ghost training.
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Gajowy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:10:00 -
[52]
Well im not happy with this change, but it was rather predictable, island gone bankrupt and ccp is going to leech money from customers in every possible way
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Oncely Magnanimous
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:14:00 -
[53]
canceling my 5 accounts as soon as they open the Account Management section back up.
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:17:00 -
[54]
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Marfew Jae
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:44:00 -
[55]
Supporting this despite the fact that CCP won't change their minds.
I'm actually pretty disgusted that CCP tried to palm this off as a Bug Fix.
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Todoshi
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:48:00 -
[56]
Signed
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Astria Tiphareth
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 14/10/2008 14:05:48 This sets a dangerous precedent. What's next on inactive accounts? RP? Market Orders? Contracts? Research slots? Manufacturing slots?
Will NPC slots be forever taken if someone lapses an account? Will they lose that slot and the result if they happen to miss a day's payment? Will their orders no longer be visible and operating?
I can just about cope with the ghost training change, but it really does send the wrong message.
Edit: Oh and I agree with what Malcanis wrote. Since I wrote my equivalent in the main feedback blog thread, I won't repeat it here. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Emveedee
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:10:00 -
[58]
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Silva Riley
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:49:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Oncely Magnanimous canceling my 5 accounts as soon as they open the Account Management section back up.
Can I have your stuff?
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 -
[60]
Sorry... haven't had my tetanus (sp?) shot.
Besides... I ran out when I couldn't drown out the whining. : O P
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