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Richard Aiel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:20:00 - [5131] Originally by: Fawziyyah There is a nice way for CCP make up to us... Just permit multiple char training and multiple client run with one account. That's my point. Dude in the answers thread sez flat out they are NOT doing anything with skill training. ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------
Tasty Bit Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2008.10.29 15:59:00 - [5132] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Fawziyyah There is a nice way for CCP make up to us... Just permit multiple char training and multiple client run with one account. That's my point. Dude in the answers thread sez flat out they are NOT doing anything with skill training. Training more than 1 char per account is far more harmful than doing away with ghost training. It won't happen.
Duskadantor	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:02:00 - [5133] So even MMORPG websites are hitting out at CCP, how mature is that? The below read in a news article @ www.massively.com 'While some of these news items are mentioned in the latest EVE Online newsletter (aside from the ghost training fiasco), CCP Games has also given some attention to the EVE community itself, something Massively has been been taking note of as well.' Main Entry: fi+as+co Pronunciation: \fē-ˈas-(ˌ)kō also -ˈSs-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural fi+as+coes Etymology: French, from Italian, from fare fiasco, literally, to make a bottle Date: circa 1854 : a complete failure What makes them think they can call this a failure & two days after server patch implementation? Eve is still up and running, players still present in-game and now CCP will get paid for 100% of their services.
Richard Aiel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:04:00 - [5134] When even mods are saying that hundreds of ppl have left the game because of this "fix", Id call that a fiasco ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------
NupetietVer Neuro Cartographic Services	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:13:00 - [5135] I guess the server connection issues have deflected attention from this issue. Because of the Ghost Nerf, i'm a lvl 30 Forum poster.
Cyxopyc The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:17:00 - [5136] Bug or not a lot of players found ghost training important to them in how they played EVE, for five years. It would have been nice to have more warning about it's removal but a few days is much better than none at all. Before or at the time ghost training was removed it would have helped to add new features for players in the form of: 1) Skill Queue for at least one skill. Just one skill in queue would prevent many hours of lost training for active accounts. 2) Expiring Account Notification by email and/or client login. 3) Improved notification that a skill has completed training on an account in game. I find the I miss current notification and fail to see the white character sheet box for hours at times. Also add email notification. 4) The ability to set skill training through a web page. Better late then never... you can still add them :) == Support fixing the EVE UI
Corwain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:21:00 - [5137] Originally by: Duskadantor So even MMORPG websites are hitting out at CCP, how mature is that? Alright, who the heck let the fanboy into this thread? -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:24:00 - [5138] 171 pages (+49) and over 200k views thats got to be a record!
Skylar Vodkabar	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:28:00 - [5139] All Taken From Shattered Crystal: Age of Conan- 60 days-29.99 LotR- 60 days-29.99 Tabula Rasa-60 day- 29.99 Warhammer-60 day- 29.99 WoW-60 day- 29.99 Eve-60 day- 34.99 I remember how CCP said they were standardizing their GTC/ETC's prices and time to reflect industry standards, but it seems that someone figured out that since time is paramont in this game, CCP could charge 49.99 for a 60 day GTC and get away with it because a 5 year old Char is not simply going to deactivate his account due to Rage Quitting. Neither is a 1 year old player either.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:39:00 - [5140] Originally by: Skylar Vodkabar ...because a 5 year old Char is not simply going to deactivate his account due to Rage Quitting. Neither is a 1 year old player either. Both of my accounts were/are about 3 years old and I let 1 expire and cancelled the other over the recent changes (GTC, "Ghost Training").

Xavier Holtzman Dark Star Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.29 17:36:00 - [5141] -1 4 year account. Don't bother, I've already given away 95% of all my assets.....approximately 4-5 billion isk in ships, modules and isk. At least my friends who are still playing can enjoy my battleships and marauders. CCP needs to get a clue. Its too bad White Wolf is in cahoots with them. I've always been skeptical of the World of Darkness online game that they're in the process of creating. I'm pretty sure its gonna be based off the new Vampire game instead of the old VTM game, which was a big turn off for me. Add to the fact that CCP are liars and cheats, and you won't see me giving them another damn cent. -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
Fuggerin	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:54:00 - [5142]
Mark19960 Gallente PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:37:00 - [5143] Hell, I have come out better in LotR... It's cheaper... their are no stealth nerfs... I can take a 2 month break and not be behind but a few days.... CCP lose my money because I am not a stupid person and I can read between the lines. I am taking the almost $50 a month that I paid CCP and sticking it in a savings account that I opened. (I am not BSing anyone - I'm gonna see my money grow :P) $199 for LotR lifetime and $30 for the expansions. The scenery is nice... CCP torfi or whoever you are... how much did you pay someone off to get your job? In all the years I have played... we have never really had a positive experience that I can remember... I remember all the bad things. Too much negative, not enough positive. See you on the bread lines, and I surely hope you don't get hired by anyone else when you drive this company into the ground.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:56:00 - [5144] It all depends on whether the outlook for CCP is as rosy as Hellmar stated in his interview. I can't see it, to be honest. CCP is working on World of Darkness. This is a money pit - it won't yield any returns until it is out of beta and pulling subscriptions. That's years away, and until then it's just eating resources. CCP's accounts on their website show that they had millions invested with one of the icelandic banks. Credit is non-existent for any icelandic company right now. People are nervous about their jobs, and cutting back on expenditure. As has been demonstrated earlier, Eve is one of the more expensive MMOs, and one where people tend to need more than one account to get the most out of the game. Other MMOs can be enjoyed for a fraction of the cost of eve, so as money gets tighter, one would expect a drift away from eve due to people having less money. So, you would have thought that CCP would be doing their damndest to KEEP loyal customers. You would have thought that they would be introducing INCENTIVES to make people STAY. Instead, they have done the opposite. GTCs, the latest "Power of Two" offer followed IMMEDIATELY by the "Ghost Training" fiasco is NOT going to attract more players. At best, it will have no effect, but it's near CERTAIN that it has in fact alienated a significant portion of the playerbase (hence a 171 page threadnaught in a matter of days). So, overall it's just going to make things financially worse for CCP, and the economic climate is already very much against them. We should know by March whether they're in trouble or not. If they're not, then the decisions they have made are vindicated. If they are, then they only have themselves to blame. I just hope that if CCP go under, someone else comes in to rescue Eve. The game is great. CCP are not.
Scorpius Fatalis	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:37:00 - [5145] I have ZERO accounts active right now. I was planning on reactivating them when they finish training skills like Caldari BS V. My plan was to study hard while my chars make progress and in a month or two get back to them and enjoy it. Only that now I have nothing to look forward to anymore, I doubt I'll be returning to eve anytime soon if at all. Time to try warhammer i guess. And BTW even when ghost training you still had to activate the account to change a skill so CCP were getting a lot of money for almost no service if you were really only ghost training a char and paying the sub only to change a skill it was already quite profitable for CCP IMO.
Xavier Holtzman Dark Star Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:42:00 - [5146] Originally by: oilio The game is great. CCP are not. QFT Originally by: Scorpius Fatalis Time to try warhammer i guess. I signed up for Warhammer right after cancelling my eve account. Its a pretty cool game so far. I would definitely recommend giving it a try. -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent."
HuntedMaster	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:07:00 - [5147] Edited by: HuntedMaster on 29/10/2008 22:07:51 Originally by: oilio It all depends on whether the outlook for CCP is as rosy as Hellmar stated in his interview. I can't see it, to be honest. CCP is working on World of Darkness. This is a money pit - it won't yield any returns until it is out of beta and pulling subscriptions. That's years away, and until then it's just eating resources. CCP's accounts on their website show that they had millions invested with one of the icelandic banks. Credit is non-existent for any icelandic company right now. People are nervous about their jobs, and cutting back on expenditure. As has been demonstrated earlier, Eve is one of the more expensive MMOs, and one where people tend to need more than one account to get the most out of the game. Other MMOs can be enjoyed for a fraction of the cost of eve, so as money gets tighter, one would expect a drift away from eve due to people having less money. So, you would have thought that CCP would be doing their damndest to KEEP loyal customers. You would have thought that they would be introducing INCENTIVES to make people STAY. Instead, they have done the opposite. GTCs, the latest "Power of Two" offer followed IMMEDIATELY by the "Ghost Training" fiasco is NOT going to attract more players. At best, it will have no effect, but it's near CERTAIN that it has in fact alienated a significant portion of the playerbase (hence a 171 page threadnaught in a matter of days). So, overall it's just going to make things financially worse for CCP, and the economic climate is already very much against them. We should know by March whether they're in trouble or not. If they're not, then the decisions they have made are vindicated. If they are, then they only have themselves to blame. I just hope that if CCP go under, someone else comes in to rescue Eve. The game is great. CCP are not. They are amazingly good and making paying customers feel unwanted.... bring your GTC prices into line with other mmo's at least... throw us a bone...greedy ba**ards
Joey Meow MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:44:00 - [5148] Originally by: HuntedMaster They are amazingly good and making paying customers feel unwanted.... That hit the nail on the head. The way they are going, I want to see what happens 6 months from now, when the word spreads far and wide. I also want to see what happens when people come back to find their skills untrained. And I want to see what happens when even the idiot noobs who now saying "good job ccp" and "something for nothing" (yea, I know, we still have to reactivate to enjoy the result, so that argument is dumb), realize that ccp designed the game to have alts and second accounts. ccp forced us to have second, third, fourth, etc accounts, and now they cut the support mechanism from under us. Hey CCP, when you dsign the game with such a fault as to force people into dual-boxing or more, you better keep the support there, otherwise things will not go so well. Anyway, I want to see all the "supporters" of ccp's decision six months from now, or a year from now. They will either quit, or start moaning even more that the people who kept their 70/80 mill SP accounts active have now even greater advantage over them. I will be here for 6 more months, thats for how long my account is paid up. I already let my two other accounts expire, and I have not renewed them. I will be gloating on the forums then. I honestly believe that this might be the end of ccp, this is too much of a nerf. Unless ccp finds a way to mitigate the drawback of the skill system, and introduces something that alleviates the hell on earth that skill training is, this company will only continue sliding slowly into oblivion.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:16:00 - [5149] Originally by: IR Scoutar I WANTS!!!11!! Originally by: Soma Kahn ...trolling.. WoW is -> that way if you want to be a troll So, when you troll a troll in a troll thread, does the troll trolling you have any credibility in complaining about being trolled?? ___
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:34:00 - [5150] Originally by: Soma Khan So, when you troll a troll in a troll thread, does the troll trolling you have any credibility in complaining about being trolled?? This post should earn you a job in CCP's PR department...

Infomad	Posted - 2008.10.30 03:28:00 - [5151] I haven't read the entire 100 pages of posts but... has anyone thought that the price of gtc has reached 500 to 600 million isk and is 60 days instead of 90 days might be having a impact on the increase in ghost training or even in the situation someone else stated about hundreds of people leaving the game. Who wants to run multiple accounts when gtc cost so much now. On a side note is it possible that ccp could charge $1 more per month for each additional character that you have in training (even if training is half speed on the additional character). Similar to what FFXI does.
Gus Gallente Dark Star Cartel Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.30 04:13:00 - [5152] Edited by: Gus Gallente on 30/10/2008 04:14:26 Edited by: Gus Gallente on 30/10/2008 04:13:41 With the recent and pesky hardware troubles, shouldn't CCP be replacing these bad routers and slow servers with all the extra revenue they're generating by disabling ghost training? cues uproarious laughter. Seriously, if we're expected to pay 100% of the time, we should expect near 100% uptimes, and isn't it fair to expect unscheduled downtime to be totally nonexistent? It's time for players to hold CCP to their own standards. ----- It's never just a game when you're winning. - George Carlin
Rasik Argimater	Posted - 2008.10.30 04:58:00 - [5153] I just returned from a few days out of town. While I was away, a fifth one of my nine accounts expired. Two more expire on Nov 5, another on Nov 15, and the last on Nov 21. Since I had all nine accounts active before the unsubbed training nerf fiasco, it is fair to say that CCP is now losing $75/mo, $900/year, from me, and facing further increased losses. This is my sig?
Miss Kingston Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.30 05:42:00 - [5154] Originally by: Rasik Argimater I just returned from a few days out of town. While I was away, a fifth one of my nine accounts expired. Two more expire on Nov 5, another on Nov 15, and the last on Nov 21. Since I had all nine accounts active before the unsubbed training nerf fiasco, it is fair to say that CCP is now losing $75/mo, $900/year, from me, and facing further increased losses. Fair play, my 3 accounts expire in 3 weeks, in May they made this the most expensive mmo with the increase in cost to gtc's and then taking away the ability to finish skills we had bought and started just because our sub ran out. It's very simple, when you sign up for a service you accept certain pre-conditions, CCP changed those conditions which I can't accept anymore. A two month gtc should cost less than $30, being able to finish skills when your sub runs out should be reinstated.
Yeknom Nam	Posted - 2008.10.30 05:52:00 - [5155] Well, I wonder what happened to my post. It was just there yesterday, hmm. Surely, if it was purposefully removed they would have told me why? Oh well since my post is missing I thought I would just repost. Here ya go. Post Part1 Post Part2 I think some gentlemen that quoted me had the same problem with the disappearing post. Forum hicups I imagine.
iXetus	Posted - 2008.10.30 06:03:00 - [5156] Originally by: Yeknom Nam Well, I wonder what happened to my post. It was just there yesterday, hmm. Surely, if it was purposefully removed they would have told me why? Oh well since my post is missing I thought I would just repost. Here ya go. Post Part1 Post Part2 I think some gentlemen that quoted me had the same problem with the disappearing post. Forum hicups I imagine. Quoting this to see if CCP removes it or bans me from the forum. P.S. CCp i have a screenshot of my post too, dare to remove it?
iXetus	Posted - 2008.10.30 06:11:00 - [5157] Btw, any1 remembers what newspaper had that article about devs cheating(t20) few years ago, maybe we could try to get their attention on this issue, perhaps we'll see another article about our beloved MMO in a serious newspaper? Too bad this time it won't be good for CCP :(.
Richard Aiel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.30 06:16:00 - [5158] Originally by: iXetus Btw, any1 remembers what newspaper had that article about devs cheating(t20) few years ago, maybe we could try to get their attention on this issue, perhaps we'll see another article about our beloved MMO in a serious newspaper? Too bad this time it won't be good for CCP :(. um there were a lot of sources that picked up on that. if you google T20 eve scandal youll come up with them in no time. As far as the two above posts, Ive been banned enough to know why that is nad. O well, they'll likely just cut the whole lower part of this page off ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. ------------------------------------------------
Yeknom Nam	Posted - 2008.10.30 07:30:00 - [5159] "You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned" So you are saying customers have no right to express how they have been treated? Like an NDA for customer service. That sounds awesome! goes to read TOS and EULA
3rdNIPPLEofFURY Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.10.30 08:08:00 - [5160] I for one am not happy with the sudden fix of this so called 'Bug' but i did notice that there was still a 3 day grace on ghost training so CCP how about meeting us(your customers) in the middle and changing the grace time to 14 days. It wont be BS5 but its something that would dampen this fire in this tinder box, you gladly give away 14 days for sign ups how about keeping your existing customers happy too.



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