Originally by: BoomBoomGoons

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This still active, wow!!!! Who was training a 12 month skill and came back to find he got screwed :P

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Originally by: Eniy Oh

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Edited by: Eniy Oh on 30/09/2009 00:44:38
Die thread, die!

I understand people have been whining NOT so much about the fact ghost training was removed, but how. And people saying in here "stop whining about ghost training" just don't get it.

Fine.

Point made. About a HUNDRED times.

And CCP did make several statements about this issue, including an apology from CCP Torfi (sp?) in this topic. CBA to find the specific link, but it's there.

It's not CCP's problem if you guys simply can't accept the explanations that have been given to you.

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Originally by: Laice

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i for one welcome this thread staying open forever. Less people to mine my precious veldspar because they're whining on forums
<3 veldspar

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Originally by: Root Canal

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The reason the thread won't go away is that CCP committed unforgivable sins in nerfing unsubbed training which some of us will not forget, and because complete morons keep posting in the thread, morons who just don't get it.

Unsubbed training didn't cost CCP anything due to the way training works in Eve. It's not a process; it's not a server action; it's a one-time computation of a completion date on the RL calendar, done at the time the training step is "started." Nothing at all happens until that date is reached. It's the Eve client that creates the illusion of training being an ongoing process. The client computes and displays how much time remains, and creates the pulsating indicator of training in progress. The servers do nothing while training progresses. If an account lapses and becomes inactive, it can't even see the illusion of training "progressing."

In fact, the nerf of unsubbed training imposed a new server burden, since lapsed accounts have to be processed to pause their training after a few days. So while unsubbed training involved no server load at all, the nerf imposes server load that never existed before.

CCP lied about unsubbed training when they created a completely new name, "Ghost Training," and claimed it was a bug. Jeez, how arrogant! A bug, after it had been touted for years as a feature? Gimme a break. Then CCP changed their story about half a dozen times. The only thing they didn't do was tell the truth.

So I can't see any new development, any new offer from CCP, without remembering how they lied and nerfed a feature that was very powerful in bringing back lapsed accounts.

The morons who talk about char farming and selling have no idea what they're talking about. Unsubbed training didn't facilitate char farming or selling... it just provided a reason for lapsed accounts to come back again. These morons have not tried char farming to see how well it worked, nor have they done the math.

For my part, I have never bought nor sold an Eve char. I just don't like being lied to, and especially not when the feature being nerfed actually worked to CCP's benefit, thus it made no sense to nerf it.

Also for my part, I have idled some of my accounts from time to time to reduce what I pay to CCP, a form of fine levied against CCP for their unacceptable behavior.

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Originally by: Laice

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i for one welcome this thread staying open forever. Less people to mine my precious veldspar because they're whining on forums
<3 veldspar

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Originally by: Root Canal

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The reason the thread won't go away is that CCP committed unforgivable sins in nerfing unsubbed training which some of us will not forget, and because complete morons keep posting in the thread, morons who just don't get it.

Unsubbed training didn't cost CCP anything due to the way training works in Eve. It's not a process; it's not a server action; it's a one-time computation of a completion date on the RL calendar, done at the time the training step is "started." Nothing at all happens until that date is reached. It's the Eve client that creates the illusion of training being an ongoing process. The client computes and displays how much time remains, and creates the pulsating indicator of training in progress. The servers do nothing while training progresses. If an account lapses and becomes inactive, it can't even see the illusion of training "progressing."

In fact, the nerf of unsubbed training imposed a new server burden, since lapsed accounts have to be processed to pause their training after a few days. So while unsubbed training involved no server load at all, the nerf imposes server load that never existed before.

CCP lied about unsubbed training when they created a completely new name, "Ghost Training," and claimed it was a bug. Jeez, how arrogant! A bug, after it had been touted for years as a feature? Gimme a break. Then CCP changed their story about half a dozen times. The only thing they didn't do was tell the truth.

So I can't see any new development, any new offer from CCP, without remembering how they lied and nerfed a feature that was very powerful in bringing back lapsed accounts.

The morons who talk about char farming and selling have no idea what they're talking about. Unsubbed training didn't facilitate char farming or selling... it just provided a reason for lapsed accounts to come back again. These morons have not tried char farming to see how well it worked, nor have they done the math.

For my part, I have never bought nor sold an Eve char. I just don't like being lied to, and especially not when the feature being nerfed actually worked to CCP's benefit, thus it made no sense to nerf it.

Also for my part, I have idled some of my accounts from time to time to reduce what I pay to CCP, a form of fine levied against CCP for their unacceptable behavior.

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Originally by: xylopia

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I'd never forget what CCP did and how you guys did it. It's written on stone for years to see. No matter how you sing on youtube, no matter how you paint it with shiny new ships, this won't go way too far like T20 incident.

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