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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:44:00 -
[6181]
Originally by: Weri Roose I just resubbed with the free 5-day trial after about a 9-month absence.
I did the same, and the only reason I came back was that my month long skill training had finished.
I think a better approach would be to limit how often you could do it.
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ice sect
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:30:00 -
[6182]
im surprised this topic is still going with no response from cccp. not.
i went from 16-ish total accounts with 6-ish always active to now using two accounts. the 14-ish accounts are nearly useless at this point because of how many months theyve been inactive and untrained so they will sit, unsubscribed for even a month at a time, permanently. prior to the ghost training nerf there was incentive to keep these characters and re-subscribing once in awhile to keep them warm. i barely log on any more with the two accounts i have because my play style has been so forked and the minimal interest i have in the game is waning more each day. i used to log in daily, now i log in once every few days. congrats cccp on nerfing my interest in the game.
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Chani Fedaykin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:50:00 -
[6183]
i still find it sad that there is no reaction of ccp - even if admitting to have given invalid / wrong / stupid reasons is ofc 'hard' :P
to all those stupid ignorants that post here without having a clue what the main reason for this thread is ... its not about removal of ghost training per se, but how ccp handled the whole case and about the irrelevant reasons they gave for it.
i would not have quit simply because they decided to remove a feature / alter their conditions :P
and btw: thanks to ccp's 'generous' offer of 5days (ofc only for one account not the others) i am once again able to post here and express my displeasure
have a nice life ... or at least try to remember that you have/had one
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ice sect
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:50:00 -
[6184]
um. my issue is with them removing the FEATURE of ghost training. the method they used to remove it was icing on the cake.
because of all the accounts i had i get spamed with those 'special offers' too altho theyll never get used. the accounts are useless now due to how long theyve sat untrained.
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Mia Aires
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:15:00 -
[6185]
Has there EVER been a statment from CCP?
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:27:00 -
[6186]
Seriously dude, 14 accounts is just... unhealthy D:
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.21 14:32:00 -
[6187]
Originally by: Mia Aires Has there EVER been a statment from CCP?
Sure. You signed your agreement with that statement when you started playing EVE. It said something like this: "EVE's our game, we can do what we want with it, and you've got no say over this".
I happened to think this is a good thing. ___
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Mia Aires
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Posted - 2009.08.28 13:54:00 -
[6188]
Originally by: Soma Khan
Sure. You signed your agreement with that statement when you started playing EVE. It said something like this: "EVE's our game, we can do what we want with it, and you've got no say over this".
I happened to think this is a good thing.
WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:16:00 -
[6189]
Originally by: Mia Aires
WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
Clearly, CCP's idea of pleasing their paying customers is to provide a great gaming product.
Providing freebies that encourage metagaming and RMT wouldn't be high on any gaming company's priority list. ___
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Jaggati Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.29 07:02:00 -
[6190]
Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
you mean customer service?
Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..
"hi ccp? id like to complain".
"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"
"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"
"........"
Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....
Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
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strawberry alarmclock
Amarr Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:23:00 -
[6191]
Originally by: Jaggati Khan
Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
you mean customer service?
Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..
"hi ccp? id like to complain".
"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"
"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"
"........"
Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....
Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
no you idiot we are mad because what was once a selling point is now called a bug.
we are noob mercs u will fear us laugh at us. |
Mia Aires
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:11:00 -
[6192]
Originally by: strawberry alarmclock
Originally by: Jaggati Khan
Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
you mean customer service?
Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..
"hi ccp? id like to complain".
"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"
"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"
"........"
Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....
Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
no you idiot we are mad because what was once a selling point is now called a bug.
Thanks!
Quote: Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
I was just asking for a statement! I pay my bills! But if someone changes the prices, services or product properties (I pay for in advance) YES than I expect a statement!
Ahh by they way CRM is not a game!
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.09.02 11:03:00 -
[6193]
Originally by: Mia Aires
I was just asking for a statement! I pay my bills! But if someone changes the prices, services or product properties (I pay for in advance) YES than I expect a statement!
Ahh by they way CRM is not a game!
The statement was released about 10.5 months ago: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592
You may not like it, you may not want it to be this way, you may not even understand it, but there it is in all its glory.
Seems like CCP's customer service and overall business plan is kickin' like Bruce Lee- The disabling of Ghost Training has had little or no effect on subscriptions.
So- take your failbots and go home.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:07:00 -
[6194]
Originally by: Mia Aires
Originally by: strawberry alarmclock
Originally by: Jaggati Khan
Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
you mean customer service?
Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..
"hi ccp? id like to complain".
"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"
"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"
"........"
Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....
Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
no you idiot we are mad because what was once a selling point is now called a bug.
Thanks!
Quote: Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
I was just asking for a statement! I pay my bills! But if someone changes the prices, services or product properties (I pay for in advance) YES than I expect a statement!
Ahh by they way CRM is not a game!
HAHAHAHAHHA party is over u cheap ass, no more free **** for anyone, OMG LOOK AT THEM, THEY WANNA CRY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! OHHH THE RAGE!!! PATHETIC HOW THE TRY TO JUSTIFY THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY JUST DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THEIR STUFF... -____-
Let's see if mocking at this cheapshots finally shuts some stubborn mouths off...
P.S.: PAY FOR YOUR ****, STRAWBERRY COULDN'T BE MOARRRR RIGHT....
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Root Canal
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Posted - 2009.09.07 04:49:00 -
[6195]
Originally by: Jaggati Khan Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
You fail at understanding how unsubbed training worked. It cost CCP nothing, as has been explained extensively in this thread, and they originally did it to provide serious incentive for lapsed players to resubscribe. They touted it frequently as a feature, then out of the blue claimed it was a bug and nerfed it.
You would have a better case arguing that char, skills and items should be deleted when an account lapses. After all, those things take up space in the database but no one is paying to support it. Of course you won't argue that because you likely know that retaining chars, skills and "stuff" provides the most powerful incentive of all for lapsed players to resubscribe.
You must think that unsubbed training was somehow a service in the sense that it cost CCP something to provide it. Nope, but I long ago tired of explaining how training works in Eve. It's funny that suspending training of lapsed characters actually DOES cost CCP some server load, but I don't think you're interested in reason or logic.
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Root Canal
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Posted - 2009.09.07 05:43:00 -
[6196]
Originally by: Mia Aires Has there EVER been a statment from CCP?
Only lies when they first disabled unsubbed training. Since then, nothing.
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Me1ster Pr0per
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Posted - 2009.09.08 02:23:00 -
[6197]
If you already disable ghost training, would ccp mind to give at least a warning before the account runs out? I did Ghost training but in a unwanted way, cause i got locked out before i actually knew what happend. Some might have to transfer money first to Paypal or a prepayed visa card. And if the Account gets disabled without warning, they can't get back in straight, as much as they want it or have money on the bank (my Credit Card for example is not accepted by CCP, but in oversea, quite strange). It would be nice to Fix that Bug first, and that can really not be an issue, the trial time has that reminder, but i guess that if you have already got people paying it, then it doesn't matter anymore, as they have something to loose and will come back for sure, at least that's what you guess.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.08 11:13:00 -
[6198]
Wow - this silly thread is still going on - the undead are amongst us.
So CCP wanted to make a change and marketing did its blaa blah.
Big deal.
Get over it folks. I bet you don't bombard Unilever every time washing powder gets ever more miraculous attributes.
Spreading lies and obfuscations is half of what marketing gets paid for. Tragic - but fact of life. Just take everything with a grain of salt. It's ggood training not to believe every promise. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
Jacevetter
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Posted - 2009.09.10 17:34:00 -
[6199]
Lets not loose sight on this topic. Old now since this change away from allowing to GHOST TRAIN, as CCP originally offered it in the early years as a BIG plus for MMOG, but WHATS next. After one year missing maybe they'll remove your character ? OR.....recycle him or her back to the game for name at least. Like EVE ingame, once CCP seeing something is going out of control, we get change. Where it be a manitcore with awesome range suddenly dropped to torpedos at close range, or ghost training while you get some more money to pay for your subscription. My point, is from the early promises of CCP, they, like government change the rules for THEM and not US, the players, characters if you will, within the system that have to live strained at times, but changes that CCP uses like a weapon to hunt down anyone "gaining" from their rules.
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Mohenna
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:36:00 -
[6200]
Page 206? Lol srsly? Yeah I think I'll just use some days to read this thread... GOI
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Jonis Sinmaker
Valiant Logistics Inc. The Purge Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.12 03:08:00 -
[6201]
posting in an epic thread.........words words and more words. ____________________________________________ Jonis Sinmaker
VLINC Recruitment
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Ardent Fury
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Posted - 2009.09.12 21:48:00 -
[6202]
I'd like to see ghost training enabled again, but when a suspended account has to be reactivated you pay $20, not $15. That way CCP gets their money and we get the trained skill.
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MomoSarduci
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ardent Fury I'd like to see ghost training enabled again, but when a suspended account has to be reactivated you pay $20, not $15. That way CCP gets their money and we get the trained skill.
If that's the case, CCP should just sell a month of training time for $5. Then there is no reason for anyone to complain about character ISK costs then since it'll crush the market. A year worth of training for $60? Hell yes please! Can't afford to play every month? When you do play to catch up only costs you 1/3 of what that month would have normally.
First forum post; posted in epic thread about a game mechanic change in favor of active players that cheap players who don't play the game are whining about. Now to find an epic about the people in the T2 ships can flipping noobs for the lulz or the salvage ninjas that feel its ok to steal from noobs because they can't do anything about it.
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Artemis Pile
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Posted - 2009.09.17 02:49:00 -
[6204]
Greed and fairness aside:
Unintended use and "unintended feature" are completely different.
How you intended people to utilize ghost training is irrelevant as you very clearly advertised that skills would continue to train on inactive accounts. It was a major selling point of your game for YEARS and could be found in the player guide.
I don't know what you're going for here? Just tell it like it is: too many people made alts for titans and rorqals and now we're losing money
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.17 05:30:00 -
[6205]
Quote: i went from 16-ish total accounts with 6-ish always active to now using two accounts. the 14-ish accounts are nearly useless at this point because of how many months theyve been inactive and untrained so they will sit, unsubscribed for even a month at a time, permanently.
Christ, get a life instead. 16 accounts? 6 active?
I love how people try to throw around the number of accounts they have/had. Like their opinion matters more because they had more accounts
Everyone that is a mature adult has given up on ghost training. It's dead and gone people.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:09:00 -
[6206]
best thing CCP did for themselves. i sometimes used to go play something else and leave a long skill training taking advantage of the ghost training. ended up not comming back for months. nothing to do with eve just other games took up the playtime.
FREE content and upgrades since release, how many others have you seen do that?
i honestly can't beleive that this thread is still going nearly 12 months on. everyone needs to be paid for the work they do. ghost training was nice while it lasted.
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Salmack
Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.19 18:29:00 -
[6207]
O waaaa stop crying ffs. Pay for your accounts and you get to train like the rest of us. Not idle train so you can sell the characters. Damn |
Tiel Enim
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Posted - 2009.09.19 22:30:00 -
[6208]
Originally by: Jaggati Khan
Originally by: Mia Aires WOW, great answer CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management
you mean customer service?
Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..
"hi ccp? id like to complain".
"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"
"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"
"........"
Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....
Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?
/end thread tbh.
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Chani Fedaykin
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Posted - 2009.09.20 08:04:00 -
[6209]
its astonishing how ppl tend to not see (read) what they dont want to see (read).
this thread would have been abandoned a long time ago if those ppl would just stop posting here - claiming this thread is solely about the issue that ghost training was removed without acknowleding that the main issue is not THAT it was removed, but HOW :P
if you are not intelligent enough to identify the main motivation of the posters in a thread (even after beeing posted several times) and still feel confident in posting irrelevant replies ... its obvious the thread will not starve.
the only other obvious reason why those ppl could still be posting is that they like to 'produce' themselves, without caring that they will be percieved as ignorant / stupid by anyone else who is able to see the whole picture. i am no psychologishst - but perhaps those ppl just need to compensate for their lack of recieved attention in rl :P hose ppl dont like this thread to starve anyways.
have a nice time - and perhaps consider to start thinking before posting ...
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BoomBoomGoons
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Posted - 2009.09.23 01:54:00 -
[6210]
This still active, wow!!!! Who was training a 12 month skill and came back to find he got screwed :P
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