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Wave Crusher
Gallente
Chewin' The Fat
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:28:00 -
[631]
Dam nice way to get people Mad as hell
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Psyrus Baine
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:28:00 -
[632]
2 accounts lost. Shove this pathetic excuse. Sickens me to see the player base lied to
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:29:00 -
[633]
You get what you pay for...
You pay nothing, you get nothing...
For those of you upset with this change, please check this out
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Leet Magician
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:30:00 -
[634]
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Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
didn't realize skill training was so heavy on the servers
guess we all have to stop our skills in order to have proper 400vs400 fleet battles
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:32:00 -
[635]
Why the long face? Why all the emo. Relax 
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PsychoBones II
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:32:00 -
[636]
Edited by: PsychoBones II on 14/10/2008 02:34:00
Originally by: Trupplupagus
Screw you,
CCP
Wow, you summed up CCP's customer support policy using only 3 words and a comma. Someone get this man a prize.
Edit: This could be the new automated response to all petitions and nobody would notice the difference.
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Ashanti Kayamura
Caldari
Caldari Imperial Empire Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:33:00 -
[637]
i just have this to say:
CCP, so many people choose to ghosttrain not because they are evil character farming something for nothings, but because the Level 5 CLIFF of training time in return for very little char progress is simply TEDIOUS, DULL, BORING.
want to fly XYZ? heres 2 BORING SKILLS THAT OFFER NOTHING OF VALUE that you have to learn to get there.
great 60 days of nothing new and shiny before i even start to progress to the next level.
Im not saying we should all be able to fly caps, most people can stand a reasonable 1-2 week skill that lets you go on holiday, but for crying out loud having 1 year long skill plans for even stuff like well fitted HACS is a simple waste of a life. Not everyone can powergame 24/7 and having to fly a crap ship for 1 year to fly a slightly less crap ship is not quite as fun as some things your rivals offer us PAYING customers.
Thats NOT FUN CCP = THATS WHY NOBODY WANTS TO GIVE YOU MONEY TO DO IT!!!!
seriously. whoever is in charge of your product development needs to get a clue, you are not exactly winning the crowds with "here pay us 15 bucks a month and watch some numbers get bigger for 9 months until you can fly something slightly slower but more destructive"
I think everyone has their boredom limits, and the whole ghost training thing shows most l5 skills are completely in the field of "NOT ENTERTAINMENT ANY MORE!"
if i wanted to sit through 60 days of nothing. i would watch cricket.
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:33:00 -
[638]
Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 14/10/2008 02:34:57
Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 14/10/2008 02:33:25
CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak
oh you mean you have more subscribers now? you money grubbers
get fu<ked Torfi Frans Olafsson you stupid <unt. Mortgage mentality...
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Ikaa LoveYums
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:34:00 -
[639]
I'm personally demanding a response from CCP, so someone grow a backbone and justify to us why you now say ghost training is a bug when it clearly states in the user guide that ghost training is a feature of the game.
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GypAtheNooB
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:34:00 -
[640]
NOT MANY HAPPY CAMPERS HERE!!!
PERHAPS THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR THIS GAME!!
MIGHT BE TIME FOR CCP TO PULL ITS HEAD OUT OF ITS A*S!!
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Ivisis Avisus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:36:00 -
[641]
Well:
Subscription Status:Active
Expires:14.2.2009 21:28:29
Recent Transactions
5.2.2008 16:12:54Credit Card131,4 USD
I was just Planing to make myself Power of 2 As my Skills are getting to be for more than a 30 days, but I also want to have fresh alt to work with with completely different structure that will be paid regularly and I'll reactivate my Main Account for time period of one minimal subscription when skill is done. So for me CCP will get 1 additional Subscription from me every 1-2 months and with power of 2 that would mean 3 full subs.
This is bad (really bad) Especially that I already have heard some false promises from CCP stuff in direct phone talk :(
In one of my posts I have written that EVE Fulfilled my long term dreams and this looks like start of something very very bad. I can state that "CCP just killed me in a Dream". This BLOG sealed any thoughts about Power of 2 and if this happen I need really to consider renewing subscription.
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FemmeFatal
Control Theory
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:36:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Leet Magician
Quote:
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
didn't realize skill training was so heavy on the servers
guess we all have to stop our skills in order to have proper 400vs400 fleet battles
GBC secret fleet battle strategy 
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Brigsby5987
Caldari
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:36:00 -
[643]
Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf
/facepalm
there goes one of my accounts, regardless of your "reasons"
Good dont forget to cancel your other ones. Less lag for me.
To all the rest in this thread whining...
You pay to play. It's not fair to train skills without paying. Period. Discussion over.
Feel free to cancel your accounts to make room for other people.
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Evilan Altana
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:37:00 -
[644]
Edited by: Evilan Altana on 14/10/2008 02:40:30
The change itself is fine, the problems are:
1) Timing/Bait'n'Switch - Right after the 'Power of Two'. You get more people to sign up and ghost and then quick throw in a change that makes that money they just spent worthless because they can't afford or don't want to spend that much money.
2) Refering to it as a bug and an unintended feature when you have used it to advertise the game.
3) If you are changing this why not stop RP, and all the other ways players can make isk without having an account.
If you are going to change something don't try and pretend its something else. You decided that you would no longer allow players the benifts of playing the game without paying for it. Tell things to us straight and if you remove this, remove the ability to pull in isk the same way.
I didn't ghost train nor did I intend too, and I will keep all of my accounts even though this rapid deployment of such a drastic change puts serious doubt on the future of this game.
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:37:00 -
[645]
Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 14/10/2008 02:37:53
Edited by: Necro EvilZombie on 14/10/2008 02:37:32
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp <--- official Eve Online player guide
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
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Gaius Proeliator
Caldari
Omega Propulsion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:39:00 -
[646]
This is really ridiculous. To take a self-proclaimed feature that has been around for years, and then suddenly tear it away under false pretenses, is very low. I sincerely hope CCP reconsiders this course of action. Ghost training was something that kept bringing me back to the game because I could take a break for a month, and when I got back, I'd have a shiny new skill finished training. I really don't want to be paying for 30+ days of training one skill, during which time I can't make any other skill advancements...that's just crazy. At least in other MMOs, if I want to advance more quickly, I have a choice. In EVE, you're basically stuck. So come on, don't do this to us CCP, because once you go down this road, there's no turning back.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:40:00 -
[647]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
remember to post with respect towards fellow players.
Now if CCP only took their own advice.
Things have been really going downhill since T20. You used to be a loved company by your player base, and now you've really become like all the rest.
It's a pity, but I guess the distance from your community comes with all the feedback you get, and subsequently ignore.
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:42:00 -
[648]
Well, that comes quite as a baseball bat out of the mist..
The few hours where iceland's future was on an extremely thin string must have hit you quite hard... Sure, I was kinda planning to allow my main character to finish the skill two days after the end of my subscription...
I know that some players, especially those who are so often accused to be macro miners (and mostly they are), abuse that offer, but in my opinion you should take more drastic actions against those people. I haven't heard about one single success on your end to shut down a part of that "ISK for money" business. What you notice, is a serious increase in the efforts these people to earn money by exploiting your system - and I really think you're just making the prices to rise by a fraction, but no difference.
At least, give some credit to the more honest people. Allow the skills to run for three days after the end of the subscription (as a symbol, as that was the time Jesus is claimed to be dead before he was resurrected) before you stop the training. Not all of us are able to continue playing seamlessly from one subscription to the next - and the bank crush might have made it worse. EVE is surely addicting, but you're gonna loose real players with this decision.
And please - if people accuse someone to be macro miners, it usually helps to try talking to these people... You need to do something about that plague they are. Heck, I know I was accused to be a macro miner myself, a person who wardeced me ages ago claimed he petitioned me, but I never heard anything of you!
I hope, everything works out for you... 
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Padan Fain
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:42:00 -
[649]
I could really care less, I was oblivious to the whole "ghost training" thing anyway. I guess I'm just a big dummy all around because I have been paying for my alts full time. Of course, they're specialized and I swap between them all for thier speciality... I couldn't justify having an account that I paid for 'sometimes' just to bump training in, but never used.... I'm confused by why someone would want to do that anyway. If you can't cover the 15 bucks for a month it takes to keep an account active, then where did you come up with the 20 bucks to activate the account in the first place.
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Cyrus Doul
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:42:00 -
[650]
actually now that I remember it they are just deciding not to follow microsoft's "dont call it a bug, call it a feature" ideal. So props on breaking away from microsoft. but we actually want this feature.
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Trzzbk
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:43:00 -
[651]
Originally by: The Ubernomicon
A little birdie told me that you are thinking about randomizing moon mineral distribution every few months
No ****ing way, I would love to hear the rationale behind this.
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Andrua
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:45:00 -
[652]
Torfi Frans Olafsson !
Senior Producer of EVE Online !
An epicness of this failure makes me to post in forums for the first time of many many years of playing.
A bug. A bug that is listed in player guide as a feature. A bug that was a selling point.
I'm not concerned with absence of ghost training - this is really a minor issue, although a nice one.
I'm deeply concerned with the degree of ignorance and the sheer magnitude of a bull-crap that was fed to players. Not once, but twice, and the crappyness of the message managed to increase tenfold between those two announcements.
First was disbalance of the game. Serious disbalance. So serious, it was practically destroying it for 5 years with angry mobs of enraged players stalking along CCP office with torches and pitchforks, demanding fix to that misbalancing issue.
On page 49 of original thread that was somehow mysteriously become locked and on course of its 49+ pages didn't attract a single soul that was asking before for that feature (sorry, a bug) to be balanced, the imbalance turned itself into a bug.
A bug that was so malicious, that it actually edited player guide and announced itself one of the selling points. Truly, truly dangerous bug.
That bug caused another thing - it made me to ask the question of why. Why a rather intelligent player base that is in general older and smarter of any other MMORPG around is considered to be dumb enough to be fed complete horse-crap not once, but twice? Why, and how those ideas spring to life in the mind of senior producer of EVE-Online?
Gods themselves, they do not know.
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StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:46:00 -
[653]
Edited by: StealthGerbils on 14/10/2008 02:49:07
If you guys are 100% set on removing ghost training (please dont no one thinks you should and we would <3 U if you changed your mind) why not add it so that you can pay a small subscription fee to basically be able to just log in and train your skills.
Something like $2.99 or $4.99 a month where all you can do is train,change,and set skills. You can't undock, you cant buy or sell anything, cant interact with items, cant do anything but chat and train skills.
That way, people can still ghost train long skills (for $15 a month, you could still train 3 characters, pretty reasonable) but they still have to pay a small fee to CCP. It would allow players to keep plenty of alts that they may not use, because even if the alt is inactive from the game, you could still train up skills, although with a small fee.
It would also allow CCP to get what they deserve for running the game. I mean iceland is screwed, at least we should give CCP money so that they can take over the country, overthrow the government, institute laws, and capture all of the beautiful Icelandic women to keep in the eve headquarters harem.
However if you guys are dead set in doing thing change (like I said, please don't everyone will hate you for it), please institute something like this. You really have nothing to lose.
Also bring back 30 day timecards if you are removing ghost training.
That said, I already did minmatar frig/cruiser/BS V, battlecruisers V, all projectile weapons V, ASC V, drone interfacing V through ghost training on my main char and the whole mining barge V, exhumers V, caldari cruiser/frig V on this one. The NUMBER ONE reason I resubscribed was because I finished a long boring skill that I sat on my implant clone training (AKA doing nothing) . Without them, I dunno if I would have...
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:46:00 -
[654]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Finally, please don't promote anything that could have consequences on the servers and remember to post with respect towards fellow players.
This neatly excludes CCP employees because I seriously doubt any of you actually play this game.
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Cosy Ceaon
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:46:00 -
[655]
dear Torfi Frans Olafsson stay whit ambulation and whit your blog
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Cyrus Doul
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:47:00 -
[656]
Originally by: Trzzbk
Originally by: The Ubernomicon
A little birdie told me that you are thinking about randomizing moon mineral distribution every few months
No ****ing way, I would love to hear the rationale behind this.
rationale: to mess with pos people everywhere when they find out that the moon miner that has been running for 2 weeks getting silicate is now getting cobalt or some other godly expensive ore, but the silo tells them "**** off, I'm silicates!" and dumps billions of isk into space around the game.
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XDSKIRBYKIA
Caldari
OR WHAT' Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:47:00 -
[657]
Edited by: XDSKIRBYKIA on 14/10/2008 02:47:27
As far as i am concerned CCP have a shot gun pointed at thier foot and better think long and hard about pulling the trigger on wends night.
I have not used the feature as i am only quite new to the game but i was intending on using it to train stupidly long skills like BS 5. I was even intening on starting a second account when i was ready to do so.
(yes i use the word feature as that is how it is descriped in the player guides "OFFICAL" player guides mind you.)
CCP.... Stop, Think and most importantly LISTEN, to what people are saying.
P.s they may be your reasons in the DEV blog but think about it and your previous statments you are making yourselfs out to be liers and fools.. Congrats!
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Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:47:00 -
[658]
Edited by: Khwalik on 14/10/2008 02:48:40
I look at it this way, this is yet another attempt by CCP to try to money grab in what I figure has been a rather rough few months.....Reintoduction of 'Power of Two' shoulda been a sign for many of us myself included but the idea of paying to move all my toons around for a bit of a discount didn't appeal to me at the time.....had I known the inflation that the new 60 day GTC's would have come to....I'd dpne it....but hindsight is well whatever.
What I am honestly concerned about is where does this all end? Been alot already that has occured in our game and I stress this fact EvE is 'ours' it's not CCP's outright, and I'll don the tinfoil and get ragged but this is a blatant attempt to manipulate the player base in my opinion. Started with the GTC thing and is now carrying over...the 'ghost training' thing honestly woulda made more sense to implicate first but whatever....
Ask yourselves, what is next....loss of assets after 90days or perhaps god forbid character deleation?
I find this quite amusing that all of this starts as we prepare to ellect yet another 'lame duck' and tactically inept CSM.....undoubtedly the biggest waste in the history of EvE to this point imo.
Just what exactly did CCP pay to have the meet and greet in Iceland of the CSM....just what has the CSM accomplished for us the player base anyway? I've not seen a whole lot.
My basic point with this rant is we the player base actually control the game...not as directly as we may like but we determine CCP's future not Dev's and GM's.....
EvE has always prided itself and 'sold' itself on thinking and working outside the box of other MMO's and is now really becoming no different than anything else.
just my .2 isk worth
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:47:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Finally, please don't promote anything that could have consequences on the servers and remember to post with respect towards fellow players.
This neatly excludes CCP employees because I seriously doubt any of you actually play this game.
Or give a hoot about us.
<<Click The Siggy For the Blog>>
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b3g3m0t
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:48:00 -
[660]
i love eve ) 4 year's paly time ending.
k i understand whan difrent peoples pay for eve difrent prices like who live in europe or usa ))
now if you want just take a pause rest a bit you suck ) now eve became game for grinders like other games
Ty CCP
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