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Viermut Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:52:00 - [1621] What I find really funny is that they see a spike after 5 years...but no one noticed the macro miner spikes>? the lag spikes? the ghost trainer macro's running? Come on guys, its a money grab and you know it. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It's propably a duck. My mum is so fat BoB claimed her as a region...
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:52:00 - [1622] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 14/10/2008 12:53:12 Give 'em a hand and they'll take an arm. You complied to the terms of service and the end user license agreement, get on with it or quit, I could use me some stuffs
Dave LoveSlave	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:53:00 - [1623] It amazes me how this can go from being offered up as a feature to being discredited as a bug. Make up your mind. You must really think we have no reading comprehension. I have more accounts than a sane person should, but that's my choice, and an issue between myself and the people I buy GTCs from. That said, CCP will go from getting money from me for all of my accounts two thirds of the time, to getting money from one third of my accounts all of the time. And, trust me, there's a massive difference involved. I've been threatening (albeit to myself) to tone down my obsession with Eve altogether and do the other things I hafve wanted to for months, if not years. This might just be the proverbial straw/camel's back situation. gj.
Zomzom Gallente Divinity Within	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:54:00 - [1624] I remember when CCP China was set up and the dev blogs then concerning the players on the Chinese server being unable to "Ghost Train" and that this was never going to be brought into play on tranquility. Well here it is, it was always regarded as a feature unique to the game, promoted by CCP as such and an attraction to many people who had either tired of the game through burn out, or needed to attend to RL stuff or were just hard up temporarily. I believe it is totally disingenuous of CCP to now state that this is a bug. If they wish to remove a much vaunted and promoted feature then they should give at least 3 months notice and contact all existing accounts including those inactive of course.
Hades In'aMiniskirt 30 ounces	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:55:00 - [1625] than at least give us *SKILL QUEING*, ffs we are paying for it anyway
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:55:00 - [1626] Edited by: Wet Ferret on 14/10/2008 12:55:55 250,000 active accounts? Or whatever the hell it is now... Yet 30k players online at peak times, many of which are already alts / mostly-afk market characters. You'd think CCP would be happy that they are getting six months worth of subscription payments out of a character that likely won't be played for more than a few minutes every couple of months during a year. Guess not But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:56:00 - [1627] Next month they will introduce it so you only train when logged out. To reduce the load on the servers of course.
Konosbe	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:56:00 - [1628] Well then! Thats -2 Accounts for CCP from my side. I'll keep my third one for the happy mission grinding if iam bored by other games again. Way to go, CCP! Now that's a kick in the nuts for the customers. And a very stupid excuse as well - sometimes it really takes CCP ages to fix a 'bug', but this has always been this way, and it's been a feature, not a bug. No, no one can have my stuff. I'll send it all to my other account :P - K
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:57:00 - [1629] Doesn't this give more credence to the crowd that want to be reimbursed for lost training over extended downtimes, I mean, before we were supposedly paying for the right to maybe be allowed to login, now they're saying it's the right to be training something ?
Leilla Mac Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:58:00 - [1630] What are the odds on this "bug fix" borking the skill training continuing during DT. How many fixes have worked as intended without being pushed onto a test server first. I'd hope CCP have got this code worked out properly or the forums are likely to explode and a large maintenance bill will ensue. I sense a large LOL in the pipeline.

fcydo	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:58:00 - [1631] If you, CCP, need money -- say so, make it clear and we will help. There are more intelligent ways of making some buck on your playerbase, for intance, introduce some charity stations where you can donate money and get some unique stuff (snowball launchers, or something like that -- cool useless stuff that you cannot buy on market). Or paint shop where you can get something cool paints on your ships, like: "EVE thanks you", or etc. Or even some unique storyline missions. I do thing ghost training is good feature. I never used it, but it is very economic for long skills. It do not generate payload on server, there is virtually no lag from ghosts. And still, I vote for "one account per one gamer". Just do something about cyno. It's too reckless to announce such big changes in 2 days. Being rude and silent -- won't give you any credit. I completly undestand your motivation, but your implementation is just dirty and awful. Many people take SP very personally. Keep it in mind.
FalconHawk Amarr Shadow Rebellion	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:00:00 - [1632] first it was an unfair advantage ...and created a 49 page shitstorm then it was a bug ... and is already up to a 53 page shitstorm whatever u post next CCP pls think about it before
Zinnn	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:00:00 - [1633] I hope CCP has the balls to go through with this and see in 6 months time how this has affected their bottom line. Why not just eliminate multi-accounts while you're at it too. Most games consider multi-accounts to be illegal. CCP, make it fair to everyone by allowing only one person an account, these multiple accounts are killing us! IT'S ONLY FAIR FOR THE SAKE OF BALANCE!!! .. Seriously, do it, because that's just as absurd as what you're proposing.
Kyoudai Ichata	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:00:00 - [1634] Originally by: Hades In'aMiniskirt than at least give us *SKILL QUEING*, ffs we are paying for it anyway qft, I'm glad I cancelled both my accounts.
Viermut Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1635] Originally by: Konosbe Well then! Thats -2 Accounts for CCP from my side. I'll keep my third one for the happy mission grinding if iam bored by other games again. Way to go, CCP! Now that's a kick in the nuts for the customers. And a very stupid excuse as well - sometimes it really takes CCP ages to fix a 'bug', but this has always been this way, and it's been a feature, not a bug. No, no one can have my stuff. I'll send it all to my other account :P - K Kono, I 100% agree...I have 4 accounts and build toons for resale for isk...at this point I'm downsizing as well...fk em', they can have my one account. Maybe I can put 3 together into one account, 1 for pirating, one for missioning and hauling and one for be'ing the ho I always wanted to be. My mum is so fat BoB claimed her as a region...**
Lerand Gaunt	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1636] I just love taste of EMO tears in the morning... I find it really funny when people moan about actually having to pay to play this game (either in real money or with isk). It is true that some high end level 5 skills are "long" to train up but if it is really that bad then just choose do something else that does not require those skills. Or just buy 2 GTC's, start training and have your break. And for the next 50 flamers / whiners: yes, I am a carebear who has yet to see any 0.0 content. So? I have multiple accounts, just as you do. I just choose to keep them active. If you can afford (multiple) fully fitted Motherships, I see the statement "I can't afford to buy GTC's" really lame. True, GTC prices have gone up (in some occations to insane prices) but if you buy them at those prices, who is the idiot? The guy (gold-digger) who sells them or the guy buying them? How come you yourselves are incapable of understanding the statements you use when other people whine about XXX prices? Supply and demand. Ring any bells? PS. Now We can really start demanding on those skill training que's as there is no reason left not to have them.
Janine Ramsey	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1637] nice move with unanounced maintenace time in the account managment
Ratio Legis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1638] Originally by: Uoogla But seriously, I like this move. You have to pay for your skills to increase. Why not take it to its logical conclusion then and allow people to buy skill points for real money? Or is that not in line with the notion of Eve providing a level playing field foe everyone regardless of their RL status? The game is designed so that it hogs real time for training and in-game time for logistics much more than any other MMO out there - hence the benefit of having alts in Eve is much greater than in any other MMO. On the other hand, a single person can never utilize multiple accounts to their fullest, they are usually needed only for key activities and then are left unused. Taxing secondary accounts as primary ones has so far been offset by the availability of ghost training, but once that's gone the incentive to support alts will be reduced for just about everyone out there. I do not think it's fair to have us pay full price for a service that's designed so we cannot utilize it to the full potential.
Helios vector	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:02:00 - [1639] Originally by: Simmith Originally by: Proud American Because you are a producer I can see why you care more about money than your companies image or your customers. Customer: 1. a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron. Leech: 2. a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite. The proposed change gets rid of leeches, not customers. Which are you? well since even ghosts have to subscribe every now and then to set a skill, thereis no such thing as a leech in this game since we all have to pay.
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:03:00 - [1640] Originally by: Ratio Legis Originally by: Uoogla But seriously, I like this move. You have to pay for your skills to increase. Why not take it to its logical conclusion then and allow people to buy skill points for real money? Or is that not in line with the notion of Eve providing a level playing field foe everyone regardless of their RL status? The game is designed so that it hogs real time for training and in-game time for logistics much more than any other MMO out there - hence the benefit of having alts in Eve is much greater than in any other MMO. On the other hand, a single person can never utilize multiple accounts to their fullest, they are usually needed only for key activities and then are left unused. Taxing secondary accounts as primary ones has so far been offset by the availability of ghost training, but once that's gone the incentive to support alts will be reduced for just about everyone out there. I do not think it's fair to have us pay full price for a service that's designed so we cannot utilize it to the full potential. You really are a slacker, eh?

Hixxy	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:03:00 - [1641] Originally by: Kyoudai Ichata Originally by: Hades In'aMiniskirt than at least give us *SKILL QUEING*, ffs we are paying for it anyway qft, I'm glad I cancelled both my accounts. how? all im getting is website under maintainance when i try to log in.
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:04:00 - [1642] Originally by: Janine Ramsey nice move with unanounced maintenace time in the account managment QFT
Ai Sakura	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:06:00 - [1643] It wasnt even a bug since youve referenced it in Dev Blogs saying that: Serenity has no Ghost training and that Tranquility could be the same at the flick of a switch but you didnt want to change it at the time.. CCP You are full of lies tbh and it doesnt wash..
Gedhay	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:06:00 - [1644] I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else. BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not?? If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.
Helios vector	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:07:00 - [1645] the only way this "bug" fix makes it any fairer, is making a class division between players. Only well of people who have the money to keep this up are allowed to continue. this really is capitalism at is highest point.
Signaldog Gallente Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:07:00 - [1646] I think you're all just a bunch of whiners!!!! I agree that CCP should come out straight with it, and I'll not argue that the timing sucks as well, but COME ON PEOPLE!!!! Ghost training only affects accounts that are INACTIVE...put it in a Role Play perspective (this is a MMORPG right?)...if you are not paying for your account, your character is effectivly "frozen"...you don't lose anything, you just don't gain anything. Simple enough. I have two (2) accounts and I will continue to pay and play those two accounts (both with 3 characters apiece) to my hearts content. Ghost training is a hack and needed to be pulled long ago!! CCP screwed the pooch on how they went about it, but welcome to the REAL WORLD where business is business and games are for people who have time to do the things they want to do...stop confusing the GAME of EvE with the business of RUNNING the game of EvE. Just my 2 iskies. READ MY SALVAGER THREAD HERE!!!!
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:08:00 - [1647] Originally by: Dmian I only want to remember you all this: Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software" CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. Originally by: TOS CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUÆVE CREATED. You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to. Oh lol. And if they write in the eula, IF you agree to these terms you have to marry your brother at the next monday, you just have to respect and do it right? Afterall its the eula. I've got a light million dollar bet, that we would all still be playing eve if they had that line hidden in that document noone reads. No m8 it doesnt work like that. "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Elayer	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:08:00 - [1648] Shame this has happened i have been actively subscribing for some time and was just about to take a break and train battle ship 5. sorry to say this but I wont be carrying on my subscription. i play one other mmo besides eve and it was nice to be able to jump between the two without worrying about paying for eve when i wasnt playing, but my character still developing. The way eve skills are is unique and with the current change i wont be resubbing after my sub ends on the 24th. Moneys tight for everyone not just CCP, there are other ways to generate extra income. Only time will tell how this decision will effect eve.
Vargo Hoat Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:09:00 - [1649] I am just fascinated by the number of people who are giving up playing with some or all of their accounts because of this. How often does ghost training occur in reality? How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? You are practically losing $15 (if subscribed on a monthly basis) over a course of a FEW YEARS (unless you're ghost training characters for sale!) with any normal character, and you are whining about that? I thought the player base is much more mature than this (or maybe it's always immature players whining?). I approve this because you can't have any progress if not playing (and paying) in any other game. Hell, tell me another game where your character progresses in any way while not playing! While this might have been a wrong move from CCP it's still right given that we receive at least the following: Proper notification of subscription ending (if playing with GTCs) Proper notification that the skill might not be finished before the end of subscription period when setting a new skill to train Explanation why was it stated as a feature in the guide and later called a bug Extend the grace period before implementing this feature Do you want a Caldari Marauder? Contact me for a BPC!
Rufus Britton Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:09:00 - [1650] It kind of sucks if you're in the military and get stuck on deployment. I'm off to training soon and won't have internet access for 7 weeks and was planning on partially relying on ghost training.



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