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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shard Merchant - Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
I think you mean player guide gets updated to both reflect the new mechanism and to explicitly highlight the fact that it has changed. (It says "the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts", hardly a disinformation campaign.)
When the guide was not update eleventy thousand people screamed: "That's not what it says in the guide!!!"
When the guide is updated : "You sneaky bastards are trying a ninja-edit to remove controversial remarks!!!"
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: ISIAM
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Aaah This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters.
Unless, you know, they pay for them.
Yea, it will only take them years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars.
You could still buy a char from the supposed ghost training farmers while stock lasts.
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lag Subscription canceled (Ironic that it was supposed to renew on 10/17).
Bye now, have a nice life! Hugs and kisses. --- lol.. I messed up.
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chotaire
Caldari The Rising Stars Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: The Ubernomicon
Originally by: Shar Tegral Refers to moderated post - Mitnal
The only reason you don't want that image displayed is that it is makes light of CCP's terrible customer service and the recent direction they have been going.
Every time I've seen that image I've reported it. It breaks the forums - I use disabled software to assist me in reading the forums. Also it unnecessarily eats up bandwidth that I don't care to share with you. (You do know that metered service exists in many locations yes?)
That being said, I lol'd the first time I saw it. That's the only lol you got. Still reported it the first time I saw it and have reported every forum breaking image or post made. And I have read every post so far in both thread-naughts.
Please, to boost my ego, suggest I work for CCP. I don't think you could issue a greater insult to CCP than to make that suggestion.
(They love me even less than the emo-ragers/quitters/trollers.)[/justify]
CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.
Even better, pictures get cached on disk, as done by all standard browsers on any computing platform. Unless you disable your browser cache (your own fault), there is no reason to post useless comments, Shar.
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NereSky
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: NereSky on 14/10/2008 20:51:02 Looks in after last post from this morning - still notes no CCP response - i still assume that their heads are still buried in the sand possibly getting their 'Teflon' coated T-Shirts resized after putting on weight from sitting on their posteriors all yr round pocketing our subs.
Oh and dare i say that maybe CCP should rename their Company Logo from 'We care more We work harder' to 'We couldnt care less, Talk to the hand'
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Dire Radiant on 14/10/2008 20:50:59 dbl post
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Animenick
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:49:00 -
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This game is great and CCP does a great job, but this is over the line, especially locking and deleting threads. I understand it is a company, but It's sole purpose is to provide entertainment and it seems like that goal is being put on the backburner.
MESSAGE TO CCP: You will get NOWHERE by ostracizing your user base and treating them like prisoners. A surefire way to lose money in the long run. If this keeps up I will be canceling one of my accounts. I wouldn't mind suspending both my accounts for a month in opposition to current trends.
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Shard Merchant - Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
I think you mean player guide gets updated to both reflect the new mechanism and to explicitly highlight the fact that it has changed. (It says "the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts", hardly a disinformation campaign.)
When the guide was not update eleventy thousand people screamed: "That's not what it says in the guide!!!"
When the guide is updated : "You sneaky bastards are trying a ninja-edit to remove controversial remarks!!!"
That it was a portrayed as a feature in the guide shows that it is not actually a bug at all. This whole sham being put forth as a bug fix is just a crock. Its a money grab plain and simple.
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chotaire
Caldari The Rising Stars Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: StealthGerbils I support them removing ghost training if they give every character a free lvl V skill of their choice (excluding rank 12 and above to make it more fair)
omg, this is hilarious.
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floater666
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:49:00 -
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Just by speaking to a few people and my decision this is the start of your greedy stupid company's colapse.
Since you have barely improved on gameplay, or even worsened it over the past few years (hello kitty online with spaceships), for many of us the only thing that made us pay new top dollars for each of our accounts to see the new level5 completed so that we can see some slightly less borring stuff for a while again.
Not to mention extra accounts that surely made big bucks for you in the past years. Many of those will become unprofitable joy vs money for many.
Now that you will loose a lot of dollars, you have to cut budget, even less improvements -> everyone leaves.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ratio Legis And it never came into your mind that actually the moron might be you and not everyone else?
Nope, instead I read what was actually said. There's no lie, no betrayal, no valid reason to emorage. There is however a selfish and petty reason to throw a tantrum.
Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to puzzle it out.
Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions.
I guess he says that for nothing like a valid reason...
That's exactly right. So rage on, but don't expect me to feel sorry for you or for CCP to back down because of it.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:51:00 -
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I loled
ok I ghosted 2 skills (cruise missiles l5 and one of my l5 BS skills, don't remember which one). But that was pure coincidence because those breaks would have happened anyway ...
I see a bad trend CCP is starting ... first the GTC change and then this. You should at least be honest enough to admit this is done just for the money. Leave the other fluff just as a background picture ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Jikiya
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:52:00 -
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I wouldn't be against this removal if they'd said "Hey, the Icelandic economy really sucks right now, we need more revenue to stay afloat," but disguising it as a bug, well...
...that just seems unfair.
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Therem Harth
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:52:00 -
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Personally, I am most offended by this move in two ways:
1) It completely beats me why the announcement was chosen to be a "bold" lie. It was a bug, we need to remove an unfair advantage, fix game balance, blah-blah-blah. You know, people here have read your player guide... Jesus, lots of us here been with your for years, why was it necessary to invent lame excuses? We also read news and know that Iceland is in an acute financial crisis, and we know CCP is an Icelandic company, it doesn't take an expert to add two and two. And it has taken a hurricane of forum complaints, and a lock on it, to get this devblog which has attempted, AGAIN, to bury the only meaningful sentence, - "We figure out how to maximize our returns.", - in a flurry of new excuses about suddenly bogged down database system. Perhaps fleet lag is also caused by ghost training, which has been found to magically circumvent all the new stackless advances in the art?
2) if we for a second forget about the lying, it would have also take perhaps a small, not really intensive brainstorm for CCP creatives (heck, you employ a full time economist, aren't you?) to find out a better way to implement this measure. How about simply limiting the time you can ghost train? 31 day of non-payment and your training stops. That way, you can't train Doomsday Operation 5 without paying, but you can go on vacation and not worry about a 5-day lapse in training on your BS 5 skill, simply because your time code expired while you were away, or whatnot. But no, there was zero creativity spent on solving this issue. Whoa, there's lots of freeloaders hugging our database storage, let's go kick them all out.
Personal conclusion:
I have never used ghost training unless by accident and for a few days only. But for the reasons above, I have cancelled subscription on all three of my active accounts, and I personally know dozens of people who will do that for much bigger amount of accounts, meaning CCP is not going to get ANY revenue from those people again. And at least half of those people actively campaign for more cancellations. You will have more space on database storage, though.
There is a proverb in Russian, which goes like this: if you spit on a crowd, they will wipe their faces; but if a crowd spits on you - you will drown. Ironically, one would expect that with company names like yours, you should know this by heart. --
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:53:00 -
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Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills.
Ghost Training is a feature that was being used as a selling point to grab more subscribers. Unintended or not, it brought in more subscriptions.
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: ViolenTUK This is the worst most appalling and ghastly idea I have seen CCP implement so abruptly in the time I have spent with this game.
There is no justifiable reason to implement this idea now. For CCP to cover it up with the rouge that ôGhostö training is an exploit is an insult. ôGhostö training has been and advertised feature, which has been a deciding factor for many to subscribe to an account. I am simply not interested in the explanation that it was an unintentional bug, which has been used by players. This Feature, which CCP has advertised, has been used for 5 years now and it is deplorable to suddenly withdraw it with virtually no warning.
We will see whether CCP have made a bad move by noting the active subscriptions over the forthcoming months.
If you were any more flamboyant about the wording used here, I would actually miss you. Any recommendations for a good Thesaurus like your's? More to the point, I believe it was the INTERNET SPACESHIPS that drew the most people to the game. I am pretty sure people don't flock to EVE so that they can -not- play with characters. After you get done with your dictionary, try playing the game, it's neat. There's shooting and trading.. lots of fun. --- lol.. I messed up.
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MILK Monk
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:53:00 -
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I will tell you something from my POV... I am young in EVE thus I have fun with one account and so far no need to pause playing and Ghost Train. I was just about thinking about buying another account. But what I wanted to say is that when I heard about this first then I told to myself - "Well who cares? It is good that it was here so long... at least". Then I realized that there will be masacre on forums.. and I was sure right :D ...
You people saying that this move will remove subscribers, well yes... some of you will drop their 3rd and 4th chars, but I am quite sure that most of you will keep the second one, as it is often needed (and as some more clever have already written above me). Also this is CHANGE, as every change in human history also this rise huge emotions, few days maybe weeks later you will all calm down, this univers will be still the same place, new players will be returning, some veterans leaving... you will simply get used to it.
One bad thing is fact that this could be good reason to come back after you need to have a break from EVE - well now you will return later or never, but I would bet few iskies that you will return anyway even that your char will be still the same as you left it.
Second bad thing is that it really look stupid to call something as a bug while you was using this as one of your marketing moves.
Overall, I very much belive CCP did analysis of possible impact when applying this change... or do you REALLY think that not?? __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way. |
Jocho
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Ratio Legis And it never came into your mind that actually the moron might be you and not everyone else?
Nope, instead I read what was actually said. There's no lie, no betrayal, no valid reason to emorage. There is however a selfish and petty reason to throw a tantrum.
Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to puzzle it out.
Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions.
I guess he says that for nothing like a valid reason...
That's exactly right. So rage on, but don't expect me to feel sorry for you or for CCP to back down because of it.
If this is so, then please, please, please enlighten everyone with how ghost training is "unfair" and causes an "inbalance" with eve
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Radiant That it was a portrayed as a feature in the guide shows that it is not actually a bug at all.
No. It was an unintended feature which was, in effect, a bug. Documenting it doesn't change that.
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Freezehunter
Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:54:00 -
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I am with CCP on this one...
I've been playing eve for almost two years and i've never had more than one Account and this character...
Iceland is going through very tough financial problems and CCP is icelandic, so i understand their reasons...
Also, all you *******s with 3+ ccounts, stop being so full of bull, you have billions of ISK and ENORMOUS advantages over someone like me, with only one account, like scouts, cyno alts, mining help, etc...
Now you can stop being greedy ****s in the game and spend your billions on GTC's for your alt accounts and stop ghost training...
You want more accounts? PAY for more accounts... I couldn't afford more than one, and i only played on one...
And for all those that wanna leave, fine, and send me your stuff, i am struggling to get money for cap ship skills anyway...
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Amjax
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:56:00 -
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Just like to say that the removal of ghost training is total *******s imo.
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The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Freezehunter I am with CCP on this one...
I've been playing eve for almost two years and i've never had more than one Account and this character...
Iceland is going through very tough financial problems and CCP is icelandic, so i understand their reasons...
Also, all you *******s with 3+ ccounts, stop being so full of bull, you have billions of ISK and ENORMOUS advantages over someone like me, with only one account, like scouts, cyno alts, mining help, etc...
Now you can stop being greedy ****s in the game and spend your billions on GTC's for your alt accounts and stop ghost training...
You want more accounts? PAY for more accounts... I couldn't afford more than one, and i only played on one...
And for all those that wanna leave, fine, and send me your stuff, i am struggling to get money for cap ship skills anyway...
More like "OWNED Alliance".
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Fastlane Heartbeat
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:58:00 -
[2633]
Based of true story
*ding ding!*
Wrangler: Hello there and welcome to the CCP! How can i help you? Customer: I wish to complain! Wrangler: Righto sir, and the issue is? Customer: This nano nerf you're about to-- Wrangler: Hold up. Nano? Customer: Yes, you're about to-- Wrangler: Right. Continue. Customer: Well, as i was saying, the nano nerf you're about to-- Wrangler: ****ie head. Customer: Excuse me?! Wrangler: You heard me. ****ie head. Customer: How da-- Wrangler: Stupid says what. Customer: What?! Wrangler: Haha! You're a stupid ****iehead! Customer: Look, how is this-- Wrangler: Moooooom! ****iehead is making funny faces!! Eris: Don't drag me into this... Customer: Look here! Wrangler: Pull my finger! Customer: No! Wrangler: Waaaaaaaah!! Customer: What are you-- Wrangler throws a teddy at customer. Customer: Hey!! Wrangler: Can a have a wowwipop? Customer: Wowwi...what?! Look i want to com-- Wrangler: ****iehead and a goonie, sitting in a tree, k i s s i n Customer: You're acting like a baby!! Wrangler: See how it feels? Customer: ... Wrangler grins. Customer: Cheap.
*ding ding*
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Tito Sajic
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Shard Merchant - Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
I think you mean player guide gets updated to both reflect the new mechanism and to explicitly highlight the fact that it has changed. (It says "the skill will no longer continue to train on inactive accounts", hardly a disinformation campaign.)
When the guide was not update eleventy thousand people screamed: "That's not what it says in the guide!!!"
When the guide is updated : "You sneaky bastards are trying a ninja-edit to remove controversial remarks!!!"
nowhere in his post does he even imply this: "You sneaky bastards are trying a ninja-edit to remove controversial remarks!!!" Some of the other posters have, but not Shard Merchant. Is this the only comment in his post that you can quote on? Specifically what about this comment did you not agree with? It was edited, Yes. And Yes, it is Controversial.
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Jocho
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jocho on 14/10/2008 21:02:26
Originally by: Mallikan
Originally by: ViolenTUK This is the worst most appalling and ghastly idea I have seen CCP implement so abruptly in the time I have spent with this game.
There is no justifiable reason to implement this idea now. For CCP to cover it up with the rouge that ôGhostö training is an exploit is an insult. ôGhostö training has been and advertised feature, which has been a deciding factor for many to subscribe to an account. I am simply not interested in the explanation that it was an unintentional bug, which has been used by players. This Feature, which CCP has advertised, has been used for 5 years now and it is deplorable to suddenly withdraw it with virtually no warning.
We will see whether CCP have made a bad move by noting the active subscriptions over the forthcoming months.
If you were any more flamboyant about the wording used here, I would actually miss you. Any recommendations for a good Thesaurus like your's? More to the point, I believe it was the INTERNET SPACESHIPS that drew the most people to the game. I am pretty sure people don't flock to EVE so that they can -not- play with characters. After you get done with your dictionary, try playing the game, it's neat. There's shooting and trading.. lots of fun.
Wow, I havn't stumbled across someone as ignorant as yourself in quite a long time. What's wrong in being well read? Cleary the EvE chronicles aren't expanding your vocabulary enough. ANYWAY what attracted a lot of people was that ghost training meant that they could have a life whilst playing eve. I know a lot of players who chucked on lvl 5 skills while they could not actively play, such as people in the military. I for one get sick of eve time to time, because honestly, it's nothing superb. Compared to next gen games etc it is serverly lacking in many ways. What was nice was the fact I could 'level' but only had to play when I would like, I dind't have to make Eve my life, as so many players seem to do. CCP have made a bogus claim that ghost training is a bug, and so are clearly just wanting more cash, whilst the player gets less, for a higher price. Sorry if I don't like the idea of lying to the customers for more money. I think its appalling.
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Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Freezehunter I am with CCP on this one...
I've been playing eve for almost two years and i've never had more than one Account and this character...
Iceland is going through very tough financial problems and CCP is icelandic, so i understand their reasons...
Also, all you *******s with 3+ ccounts, stop being so full of bull, you have billions of ISK and ENORMOUS advantages over someone like me, with only one account, like scouts, cyno alts, mining help, etc...
Now you can stop being greedy ****s in the game and spend your billions on GTC's for your alt accounts and stop ghost training...
You want more accounts? PAY for more accounts... I couldn't afford more than one, and i only played on one...
And for all those that wanna leave, fine, and send me your stuff, i am struggling to get money for cap ship skills anyway...
Actually I have 2 accounts. One main who does production, 16M SP, and has about 200M ISK, and a mission alt who just lost an uninsured battleship, with about 15M isk after rebuying the goods. The only other character I play with is a gimmick alt who doesn't train anything.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jocho If this is so, then please, please, please enlighten everyone with how ghost training is "unfair" and causes an "inbalance" with eve
Sorry... I don't think you've got any right to rage over them cancelling your free lunch and so therefore I must believe and explain how ghost training was unbalancing? Did that seem to make sense when you were typing it?
As it happens the reason ghost training was problematic from a balance sense is that it enables people who metagame a significant advantage in skill point accumulation over people who actually play the game. (For the same amount of money invested a metagamer exploiting ghost training can earn many times more sp.) Clear? Of course, even were that not true it still doesn't translate into your right to ghost train until the end of time.
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 20:59:29
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Dire Radiant That it was a portrayed as a feature in the guide shows that it is not actually a bug at all.
No. It was an unintended feature which was, in effect, a bug. Documenting it doesn't change that.
I'm beginning to notice a pattern in your posts.
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Annaphera
Minmatar Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thesiuss I too had planned to set a really long skill train as I took a break. I've done so in the past and it was a good reason for me to eventually come back to eve.
Now I won't have that one thing to help draw me back after 5 years of playing.
Might as well move all my assets into corp hangers just incase I don't come back now.
Just a dumb question - you don't consider playing the game a good enough reason to come back to the game? How many other MMO's have you played, then left and never returned to...because Eve was the only one that allowed inactive accounts to gain anything?
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LuthienTinuviel
The Vanyar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: The Ubernomicon CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.
Originally by: Ha'Uler If tiny images and bandwidth usage are so important for you, you should change your settings.
[ sarcasm] Ah yes, I should go limit myself simply because others can't limit themselves. A perfect solution. [ /sarcasm] I love many of the signature banners that people create. Also, many people do share images that provide information and can somehow figure out how to do so without breaking the forums or the forum rules. So I'll reiterate, why should I diminish who I am simply because others can't seem to maintain any self control or exercise restraint? Mind you if the community had exercised some restraint over subbing it wouldn't have been so heavily farmed in the first place and we wouldn't be here. Wait, who am I kidding. This community spawns whining like .... ... ... Damn I can't think of anything to match the quantity of whining this community does.
Love you Shar but I am one of the whiners and emo rage quiters your talking about here
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