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Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:16:00 - [1141] Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof?
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:17:00 - [1142] Originally by: Yakumo Smith Someone summed it up nicely in the sea of posts overnight. CCP will see a massive amount of resubscriptions in the short term as characters affected by this log on to train skills. They will also see a massive influx of income from transfer fees between characters. Clearly they need cash quickly and are counting on being able to recover from the lost accounts gradually over the next year. Sore point is, if you'd come out with that first, you'd have more new subscriptions from people showing support. Now we just think you are money grubbing. Let's see if you actually recover after this, I hope the short burst of income was really neccessary. Yak You know, you're absolutely right. If they had said we're doing this because financially our assets have been hurt, I'd have gone and bought a GTC and never even used it, just to give them a hand. I can afford the forty bucks. Or I could give it to some of the people I know that drifted off and let them play for a couple months, and maybe they decide to come back and stay for a while. However, I do believe they've lied about the why, so I'm doing the exact opposite. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
INF Wonderwoman	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:17:00 - [1143] Originally by: Yakumo Smith Someone summed it up nicely in the sea of posts overnight. CCP will see a massive amount of resubscriptions in the short term as characters affected by this log on to train skills. They will also see a massive influx of income from transfer fees between characters. Clearly they need cash quickly and are counting on being able to recover from the lost accounts gradually over the next year. Sore point is, if you'd come out with that first, you'd have more new subscriptions from people showing support. Now we just think you are money grubbing. Let's see if you actually recover after this, I hope the short burst of income was really neccessary. Yak I think I made that basic point before about the quick influx of money. <--- Nail alt, good to see another former TFC person
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:18:00 - [1144] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof? I'm still waiting for your proof that this is a bug.
Ace Frehley Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:19:00 - [1145] Meh, was about to take a break from the game, wont use this char anymore. Bye bye eve, lost atleast 1 account, dunno if I gonna keep my non blinky char signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
Medusa d'Mon	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:21:00 - [1146] Thanks CCP. I've being playing and paying for this game non stop on 2 accounts since EA pulled the plug on EnB and I'm currently on 4 accounts. I put 3 accounts into 'ghost training' a week ago for various RL reasons including financial restraints and you choose now to make the change. I was looking forward to logging onto 2 chars with Caldari BS5 1 month later (yes, just 1 month). I can't change my current RL financial situation and nor will you. I guess as there is no good reason to re-susbcribe after my months break, I will probably leave it another month and save myself an extra few pennies. I won't be re-activating all 4 accounts either. I'm sure you will understand. I know CCP is based in the country with the highest per-capita number of financial experts out of all the volcanic island living nations with populations lower than 5mil, so I guess this move of yours must have been thought out by financial wizards.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:21:00 - [1147] Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather I create, run, edit, and modify MySQL databases daily,[...] and writing a PROPER database to handle the code. Although I sympathize with your cause, this is where your post falls apart ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:22:00 - [1148] for those of you quiting/deactivating accounts atm, feel free to transfer your chars with more then 20mill sp to me Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:23:00 - [1149] The change is completely fair from business point of view. However, it is not as simple, as you may be aware. On one hand you close the "unpaid gaps" in someone's subscription. On the other hand, taking breaks from the game happens not only for financial reasons. Sometimes people just get tired, get some real life stuff do deal with and so forth. Having that BS5 skill to return to is a nice incentive to actually return to the game after these kinds of breaks. I know for certain that when I will get bored with EVE, I am not likely to come back to the very spot that got me bored in the first place.
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:24:00 - [1150] Originally by: Carsidava Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof? I'm still waiting for your proof that this is a bug. If I could navigate the dev finder stuff worth a damn I'd go look for how TomB used to talk about this feature being one of the cool quirky things that made EVE different. Alas........effort. Going to bed now. Looking forward to hearing the forums melted after dt. o/ ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
doofydoo	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:24:00 - [1151] am i missing something here? people with inactive accounts are saying they will cancel them because they cant train them whilst inactive right? is ccp actually losing money here? they are already inactive.
Rancid Oswald	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:25:00 - [1152] Look, and I.m looking at those rage quiters and whiners. My father always told me "You don't get something for nothing!" CCP are in their own right to remove Ghost Training, after all people, myself included, when taking a break or simply can't afford to pay for 1 month made sure I had a 30+ day skill to train before the sub ended. We got something for free, in essence you could traind 12 months of skills and pay only 6 Months. Then simply sell that char. Its called char farming! I support this change, and yes if it was never implimented there would be nothing to whine about. If it got implimented 1 year ago, I still wouldn/t have quit even though I took breaks. A Skill point or 1mill is simply not worth the "Argh rage quit!" Those who do rage quit over this are simply sad induviduals with nothing else important in RL!
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:25:00 - [1153] Originally by: Triksterism The majority of CCP employees reside in Iceland, I'd say the financial situation, no matter what currency is being sucked in, is quite relative. Not to mention the blog even stated this was a financial endeavor. But they didn't say anything about Iceland's economy. As you say, it's relative. Now CCP's expenses in krona(the wages for those employees you mentioned) have just dropped like a rock compared to their income in dollars and euros. That's good, not bad. It's also an excellent reason to go to fanfest, the way the krona crashed beer is like half-price there now.
Crewman Jenkins	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:25:00 - [1154] MST3K is awesome.
Stormwind Bloodfeather Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:25:00 - [1155] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof? Proof"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)" This can be found in the "How to train skills" section at the beginning of the third paragraph. CCP's own words. Stormwind In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy!
Tunnas Amarr Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:26:00 - [1156] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof? proof Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). Signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes.Navigator
Joskken Inx PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:26:00 - [1157] Originally by: Kryttos god lot of whiners on here. CCP is a business. They have to make money, the end. If you dont like it... move off the planet, because thats every business, everywhere. I never used this feature, and never intended to. Now all you whiners, take your wambulance and go to WoW, because they could always use more whiners. Also as a side note.. is it bad that I only read the comments from the big alliances ( IE: BOB, Goons, etc ) Why bother posting if all you're doing is saying shit like "take your wambulance blah blah back to wow" Really childish, but I'm just supposing you didn't read but a couple posts before you made your insightful and intelligent discourse on the subject? ------------------------------------------------ "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:26:00 - [1158] Originally by: Medusa d'Mon Thanks CCP. I've being playing and paying for this game non stop on 2 accounts since EA pulled the plug on EnB and I'm currently on 4 accounts. I put 3 accounts into 'ghost training' a week ago for various RL reasons including financial restraints and you choose now to make the change. I was looking forward to logging onto 2 chars with Caldari BS5 1 month later (yes, just 1 month). I can't change my current RL financial situation and nor will you. I guess as there is no good reason to re-susbcribe after my months break, I will probably leave it another month and save myself an extra few pennies. I won't be re-activating all 4 accounts either. I'm sure you will understand. I know CCP is based in the country with the highest per-capita number of financial experts out of all the volcanic island living nations with populations lower than 5mil, so I guess this move of yours must have been thought out by financial wizards. Ahaha, gave me a chuckle with the "Financial wizards" So here you go. SORCERY! - Signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes.Navigator Ghost Train & Snowflake
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:27:00 - [1159] Originally by: Sergil CCP you systematically change EVE from the 'game for the serious man' to the 'game for teenage masturbators'. I don't like it. CCP you haven't trained 'Calculator' skill yet. To realize 'Ghost training' i need to pay for at least 4 60-day GTC ($139.80) per year. Two 6-months subscriptions will cost $143.40. Damn! Tell me your PayPal account, CCP, and I send you that bloody $3.60 for the right to have a little relaxation from time to time. This
CopyCatz Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:27:00 - [1160] "CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak." I'm absolutely baffled by this. I know the PR department has 250 skillpoints in advance bad news relaying, but most customers are smart enough to understand what caused that surge. Guess we can only wait and see what will be taken from us in the now upcoming surge...
Kryttos Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:29:00 - [1161] Speaking of.. I read on CNN that roundtrip to Iceland is now like $400 USD since the Krona is down. [email protected]
Kryttos Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:30:00 - [1162] um.... that sig is gonna get you banned =p [email protected]
Haks'he Lirky Burning Bright Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:30:00 - [1163] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 14/10/2008 07:31:10 A player ghost training is a potential returning player, sorry you do not see that. This is one of the reasons eve was unique and nice. I have often heard the line "I cannot pay for EVE at the moment, I will stop playing for a while but at least I will have that lvl 5 skill done when I get back". Sad day in EVE.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:31:00 - [1164] Originally by: Carsidava Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years. Got proof? I'm still waiting for your proof that this is a bug. It's unintentional, like jet-can mining. It happened, people exploit it, but nobody planned it to work out that way. Exactly what kind of proof do you expect there to be for "nobody thought about that"? More to the point though if you want accuse someone of lying then the burden of proof is upon you to support such a charge. You know, like show me where they "dvertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years."
Kell Braugh	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:31:00 - [1165] Originally by: Kryttos Speaking of.. I read on CNN that roundtrip to Iceland is now like $400 USD since the Krona is down. From where? Reality? - EFT screen shots are NOT an accurate example of a ship's abilities.
Jocho	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:32:00 - [1166] Originally by: doofydoo am i missing something here? people with inactive accounts are saying they will cancel them because they cant train them whilst inactive right? is ccp actually losing money here? they are already inactive. I think the key word is renew... End of the day, EvE is pretty much killing alt accounts by doing this as well as removing the appeal to casual gamers. A smaller market is never good.
Dracorimus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:32:00 - [1167] Well my 2nd account is going inactvie now, thank god I managed to get rid of the 14m SP alt on it. . ≡v≡ powered
Zey Nadar Gallente Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:32:00 - [1168] Edited by: Zey Nadar on 14/10/2008 07:32:13 People who try to exploit things have those things taken away from them sooner or later.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:33:00 - [1169] I think that what upsets most people is that this (undesired) feature is called a 'bug'. CCP, you do not advertise with bugs do you? You don't have on several pages of your website described that upon undocking or launching your drones in battle, your in-game windows may rearrange themselves because of a bug, do you? You advertise that EVE is a PC/Linux/Mac game, but you don't advertise that only 1 out of those 3 platforms has access to premium content, do you? So why, for years, do you have this feature: where training a skill continues even if you are not paying for the game itself, described on many of your webpages, suddenly called a "bug"? That smells bad, it sounds bad, and it feels like a blatant lie. Besides that, I can understand that people should not have access to a game feature without paying for it. Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
Chris Tao	Posted - 2008.10.14 07:33:00 - [1170] FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLBOAT, i just saw this a few hours ago. I just need to make 1000miljons real fast to be able to activate my 2 other accounts OR NOT

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