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Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:49:00 - [2341] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 14/10/2008 18:52:21 OK, my two cents: this account I'm logged onto runs out a week after the elimination of "ghost training." I was going to take a break from EVE and set Wing Command V before the subscription expires, so I have the prereq to train Fleet Command when I come back. I had done before on a previous break from EVE back in 2004. A friend of mine I introduced to EVE did it too, when he lost his job and couldn't pay the sub for a couple months. Since that's being taken away, I have nothing to look forward to upon my return, so probably won't. Not that any one cares, but as I said, it's my two cents here. Adios. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Furious Hawk Caldari Farlight Council	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:49:00 - [2342] I congratulate CCP on the removal of this feature/bug/exploit/trick. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
Spawn06	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:50:00 - [2343] Originally by: Soldur Edited by: Soldur on 14/10/2008 18:49:22 Originally by: CCP Jiekon Hi folks. I just want to let you know that skill training WILL continue while the account is inactive. I had picked this up wrong when i was speaking to Wrangler before and i mistakenly told him that skills stop training when accounts go inactive, this is why it was included in the patch notes and it's entirely my fault. This was a mistake on my part and the patch notes will be changed and that line removed as soon as possible. Apologies for the misunderstandings. Posted - 2006.12.26 19:37:00 so they still giving you enough time to pay your bills then
Elo69007	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:50:00 - [2344] Originally by: Soldur ELO time to consolidated accounts Hells yeah, Im gtfo here, ccp is going under and they gonna take my credit card details wif em. RUNZ
Xultanis	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:50:00 - [2345] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuolematon Year ago CCP said that this is CHINESE server "function" and will NEVER hit TQ. Where did they say that? I'm trying to find it but eve-search is being ******ed. Gimme a second. I remember them saying that it was never going to hit TQ also when they talked about it. Their was an outcry for a new skill ques. They then told the community that everything was staying the same and that it would never hit TQ and if they did do a skill ques then they would take away ghost training but since they aren't removing it then a new system was not required. I also have something to say to everyone who says "Its not fair when someone trains for something when they aren't paying and blah blah" Well how is it fair that you are more stable financially to play the game? How is it fair that you have little to no responsibilities to play the game? People shit isn't fair but we try to give everyone a fighting chance. How many students play this game just because it fits into their schedule and come exam time when they put their subscriptions on hold to study (while training) are happy to come back to a new toy that they are have access to? The ghost training helped EVERYONE in this game. People who have families, jobs, or weak source of income. They could at least believe that if they took a break to get things back together or just to take a breather from the game, that they could and it wouldn't be a problem. From a business stand point that Ghost training was the greatest feature to this game since it kept people coming back. That's what you want in any business, is for people to come back. Grocery stores, gas stations, shit even countries whose main source of income was tourism wants people to COME BACK. The whole WAAHHHH i actually paid for the whole 2 months i spent training whatever to level 5. Well again congrats that your life is better off then some of the other pilots of this game. Bring it back and for the love of god be more honest about your decisions and seriously Ive heard that they switched out dev teams since all this new "features" were implemented....if so...then bring back the old team because they knew what this game was about. Thats my 2 isk.
SkwisgaarSkwigelf C.R.M Productions	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:50:00 - [2346] Originally by: Triksterism Originally by: Derdre Esme and does something similar is planned for "ghost trading" ? http://www.isdsgn.com/karlimages/ghostrideyourwhip.jpg ghosttrain the whip baby. I been waiting for this :D
Zanquis Caldari Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:51:00 - [2347] I am outraged by this move by CCP and its aggravated by the fact the account page is offline, and the fact they lied by telling us this was a bug for 5 years when they clearly mentioned it in their guide and it was common knowledge. A bug doesn't take 5 years to fix, period. Don't lie to me and tell me I was exploiting every time I took a break and got a long skill train out of the way while I did so. I would not be object to this if I didn't disagree so greatly with the concept of having players pay to not progress for extended periods of time. The simple fact you have skills which can take an entire to multiple subscription periods to complete and in the whole time your character gets no actual progression is absurd. It also ****es me off that for rank 4+ skills such as Battleship IV to V (rank 5) it can take 30 days to trian, and that means I am effectively paying $15 to trian battleships from IV to V. That is unacceptable to me and while I can and do play the game in that time, I like to have some progression and while I am ok with working for it, having it transverse one or more subscription periods makes me cry fowl. Now before this change I delt with my objections because when I took a break from EvE to play something else or for RL reasons I would simply leave a long skill train while I was gone. This actually worked to CCP's benefit because a big hurdle was jumped while I was gone and I would get excited to come back to the game and explore the new opportunities it gave me which could take months. To say it allowed people to build characters with an inactive account is a half truth. Sure if you repeat ghost training on a careful schedule you would be able to build a character. Though for this to be real effective you needed to choose a long skill for the break, as you wouldn't be able to change training if that skill training ended during your period of inactivity. So yes it was something which could be abused, but I would say the majority of us used it in the manner which I described and it was more a lure back to the game. If your seeing a huge spike to its use I would be this comes from your use of the "Power of Two" deals where you encouraged players to have multiple accounts. If you have multiple accounts you are more likely to play one while the other trains a dreadfully long skill and rotate. If this is your problem, perhaps you should find an alternate way of dealing with it in a way which doesn't upset customers who are willing to pay $30/mo+ for your game. In any case I know this will fall on def ears at CCP and so I have decided to vote with my wallet. As soon as they get that bloody account page online, I am canceling both my accounts which are currently active. Will I return? I do not know, I do not like to be lied to. This is a cash grab, and I resent you calling this a bug and implying I am an exploiter for using something you put in your god damn player guide. ---------------------------------------------- EvE Personality Test
Arthmandar Valikari Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:52:00 - [2348] So... I've been reading this thread for giggles, and I wonder... How many people here think that ghost training and offline training are the same thing? I think it is a nontrivial number. Anyone who quits due to that confusion... is a tribute to CCP mishandling this. :S Note: ghost training is something different from offline training. Quote: I for one welcome our new centrifuge generated superchicken overlords. -- Delerium of Disorder
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:54:00 - [2349] Originally by: Xultanis I remember them saying that it was never going to hit TQ also when they talked about it. You know how it works: Proof or...
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:55:00 - [2350] Originally by: Zanquis As soon as they get that bloody account page online, I am canceling both my accounts which are currently active. Will I return? I do not know, I do not like to be lied to. This is a cash grab, and I resent you calling this a bug and implying I am an exploiter for using something you put in your god damn player guide. its back up I just canceled my accounts fine.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:55:00 - [2351] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 14/10/2008 18:55:29 Quote: Note: ghost training is something different from offline training. We get it. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:55:00 - [2352] Originally by: Arthmandar Valikari How many people here think that ghost training and offline training are the same thing? I think it is a nontrivial number. ... You know... you might be right. That would certainly explain some of the exploding-head reactions.
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 - [2353] This thread exists solely and entirely for my entertainment. I thank you all for helping me laugh. Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Xultanis	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 - [2354] The proof was those links just couple of posts above this one. Its not word for word and finding the exact one will take time but there you go right there. Those links should make you happy enough
Kaesarr	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 - [2355] [soz for my inglish] Mi motivations for cancel mi two accounts.. last 2 years play and payment with euro.. 1¦- This threat and this nerf 2¦- Nija edits by gm¦s 3¦- Continuate nerfing pvp 4¦- More Makro farmer¦s.. and not ban this.. 5¦- $ politics 6¦- CCp Continuate killing pirate rolling 7¦- The nano-nerfinf is bad for all type rolling pvp and more and more..LAG!
Penel0pe	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 - [2356] Looks like CCP recently invested in Lehman Brothers shares ^^
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:59:00 - [2357] I just called David Fialkow and left a message expressing discontent with the direction CCP has been taking in recent months. I made it clear that CCP is no longer offering a service that is worth paying for and that the disconnect entirely due things CCP are and are not doing. I would post a list of CCP's Board of Directors along with their phone numbers, but I would probably be banned for posting public information.
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:59:00 - [2358] Seventy-seven pages and no response from CCP. We're being treated like mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed bullshit. I'm going to post this again, fully realizing that CCP is ignoring us and just going to go blindly ahead with this ridiculous plan. Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash. If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.
Lothendra Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:59:00 - [2359] Edited by: Lothendra on 14/10/2008 18:59:38 Two ideas: 1: Skill will train only for a maximum of 30 days after expiration of account 2: "Ghost Training" will only work until your character has reached a set amount of skill points.
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:59:00 - [2360] Edited by: James Marshalll on 14/10/2008 19:02:01 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Arthmandar Valikari How many people here think that ghost training and offline training are the same thing? I think it is a nontrivial number. ... You know... you might be right. That would certainly explain some of the exploding-head reactions. Hi CCPalt01, I would wager that 99.9% of the people here know exactly what "offline" training is compared to "ghost" training. What you employees of CCP and Fanboi(or girls) are not getting is that its not about the ability just being removed. The way its handled, the fact that they lied about why, the fact that you can still market order/hold lab slots/offices, gain RP, receive payouts from investments (shares etc) which DO affect others is why people are so **ed off. They are **ed because there is huge implications to this change, that it will affect a lot of players in ways that isn't directly just because they are losing "ghost training"
Lothendra Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:03:00 - [2361] Oh, and for the record, EVE Developers: I let my account lapse now and then because I am tired or fed up of EVE. The only reason I come back is because the long skill that was ghost-training finally finishes and gives me something new to play with, a new ship or whatever, and then i'm happy again.
Franconian Eagle Core Element	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:03:00 - [2362] So I opened the eve-o website this morning, as I do every day while at work, and read "Ghost Training to be Removed". At first I didn't get what this was about, so I followed the link and read it. Two thoughts popped into my mind after that. Number one: "omg, what a stupid idea" Number two: "the thread about this is going to be epic" And I was right. This thread kept me entertained throughout this boring day. Thank you, CCP. It was an epic troll.
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:04:00 - [2363] This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). In future - if I decide to play at all - I will use timecards. No way am I having CCP automatically billing me when they pull stuff like this. The removal of this "bug" (HA! what bullshit!) is bad enough, but the "we're doing it for balance" crap, or the "this was never intended" crap is just downright offensive. So, they launch POWER OF TWO, and then they pull this straight after. They're trying to cash in fast, and at the same time they're making out that this is all in the name of BALANCE????? CCP make me sick. I hope they go bankrupt fast. ...and no, I have never ghost trained, but that's not the point. They're screwing us and they're trying to bullshit us that they're not screwing us.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:04:00 - [2364] I can only speak for myself on this, but the removal of ghost training won't make me any less likely to suspend my accounts. Sometimes, you just need to take a break from Eve. It will, however, mean that the next time I need a break from Eve, I will be less likely to come back. Having some really handy skill trained to Level V has always been a nice 'welcome back' present. In addition, having Evemon tell me that it's done has almost always been like an alarm clock for the end of my most recent Eve Break. "Hey, Gallente Battleship V just finished. You're not training anything right now, dude. Isn't it time to come back already?" "You know, Evemon, you make a good point. Now WOULD be a good time to resubscribe." Anyway, the moral of the story is that this seems like a dumb move that will only make people with lapsed accounts less likely to resubscribe at a later date. _ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:05:00 - [2365] Originally by: Xultanis The proof was those links just couple of posts above this one. Its not word for word and finding the exact one will take time but there you go right there. Those links should make you happy enough Nope, I don't see it, you're gonna have to be specific. (C'mon, how hard is it to cut'n'paste?)
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:05:00 - [2366] Originally by: Lothendra Oh, and for the record, EVE Developers: I let my account lapse now and then because I am tired or fed up of EVE. The only reason I come back is because the long skill that was ghost-training finally finishes and gives me something new to play with, a new ship or whatever, and then i'm happy again. There's already such a feature! It has a limit of 800 000 skill points. Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Hitman 001	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:05:00 - [2367] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=896971&page=2 this still doesent make a diference to me, that CCP doesent respond , and a lot af issues apeard today. conspiracy? nah, no way.
zigman123	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:05:00 - [2368] ummm I dont know who runs the numbers at ccp but just roughly counting how many people are quitting over this and mind you I stopped counting at 100 ccp must be rich cause they just lost over few Grand a month just off the 1st few pages. Good way to get money ccp. We are talking per 100 $1499 a month not to mention alot of the 100 players have more than one account. Now im no math major but I did study economics to a point. ARE YOU NUTS no matter what -1 for me and I might not re-up this one when it runs out Good luck CCP. And to everyone that compares this to SOE is right on the MONEY
Ar'tee DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:06:00 - [2369] Originally by: CCP Fallout Because this thread is specifically for providing a link to the thread while we look into why it's not properly appearing on the index and is not meant for discussion about the ghost training change, which is going into effect Wednesday, I am closing this thread. Perfect censorship execution, voting A++! Even Soviet Russia couldn't have come up with a better way to essentially make an entire discussion completely invisible without downright lotka'ing it, I'd wager. This is so much more subtle! It will make people slightly less angry, yet keeps this entire discussion invisible for most, thus making whatever is said here that much easier to ignore. Way to go my good sirs, I couldn't have done better.
Lothendra Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:06:00 - [2370] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Lothendra Oh, and for the record, EVE Developers: I let my account lapse now and then because I am tired or fed up of EVE. The only reason I come back is because the long skill that was ghost-training finally finishes and gives me something new to play with, a new ship or whatever, and then i'm happy again. There's already such a feature! It has a limit of 800 000 skill points. Did you mean to reply to my other post? Or is this a sign of the forums finally melting down?

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