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Captain Kelden	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:22:00 - [2401] Originally by: Frances Ducoir there goes my eve subscription and my 2 accounts. the possibility of progressing while not online and even while the account is inactive, was one of the reasons i still played eve. You will still progress when not online, it will only stop if the account is inactive (subscription expired).
Vanishing Vixen	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:22:00 - [2402] Originally by: Sailon Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. ymm no if it doesent include 2x faster skill training Just go ahead and release the other two levels of implants which are currently still in the database but are not available in-game.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:23:00 - [2403] Originally by: Peter VonThal "i made the mistake of telling Wrangler they stopped training on Tranquility when subsctiptions lapsed, this lead to much confusion and me being whipped (which i have to admit, i enjoyed very much) But i was mistaken, it's only applicable to the Serenity server." "I just want to let you know that skill training WILL continue while the account is inactive. I had picked this up wrong when i was speaking to Wrangler before and i mistakenly told him that skills stop training when accounts go inactive, this is why it was included in the patch notes and it's entirely my fault." Did you actually read that? When ghost training was disabled on the Chinese server Jiekon mistakenly thought it was simultaneously being disabled on TQ. It wasn't. His correcting his mistake in no way, shape or form promised (or even implied) that therefore ghost training was a permanent feature of TQ, merely that it wasn't being terminated at that particular moment.
Mahmukt	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:23:00 - [2404] What a load BS tbh doubt I'll be back again now Age of Reckoning here I come to CCP
Kuangdianbai	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:24:00 - [2405] I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years and then all of the suden ccp deems it a bug, plus the fact all the magical thread issues happening and the ninja editing of the players guide doesnt help matters could this be due to the fact iceland economy is in shambles and ccp want a cash infusion.
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:24:00 - [2406] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two..
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:24:00 - [2407] Edited by: The Ubernomicon on 14/10/2008 19:52:49 Edit: Hu, someone appears to have changed my img to a link. I will change it back.
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:24:00 - [2408] Edited by: Julius Rigel on 14/10/2008 19:28:52 Edited by: Julius Rigel on 14/10/2008 19:27:42 Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: RVWinkle Now that this is no longer a feature I cannot justify resubscribing. Apparently you can, since you're still subscribed... you do know that ending your sub doesn't end your ability to post or play the game until your paid time is gone right? [Edit:] Sorry, my point is; what are you doing here if you intend to leave? Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Lag	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:25:00 - [2409] Mahmukt.. its a great game. I'm playing it instead now :)
Gedhay	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:25:00 - [2410] Originally by: Captain Kelden Hello, While I understand and accept the reasons CCP have provided for disabling Ghost Training, I can also see things from the other viewpoint. Would it be possible for CCP to compromise on this to try and keep Ghost Trainers happy? Would CCP consider allowing an inactive account to Ghost Train for a maximum of two months of every year? So for example if the account is inactive for six months out of every twelve, ghost training would only work for two of those inactive months before being disabled on that account until the next year. I can't say I've knowingly used Ghost Training except for when I forgot my subscription was about to expire and it's lapsed. It was good to know that my skill would train until I could get a new GTC. Perhaps an idea would be to allow a Ghost Training grace period? Allow the skills to train for 7 days after the account is becomes inactive. The flame threads going on at the moment are not helping much, so please keep this thread flame free. The ideas above may not be possible, but hopefully they will get someone thinking. Thanks! I subscribe to that! Another sugestion is that u can cancel ur subscription once or twice a year, and not for long than1-2 months
Lord Fuzzywig	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:25:00 - [2411] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Peter VonThal "i made the mistake of telling Wrangler they stopped training on Tranquility when subsctiptions lapsed, this lead to much confusion and me being whipped (which i have to admit, i enjoyed very much) But i was mistaken, it's only applicable to the Serenity server." "I just want to let you know that skill training WILL continue while the account is inactive. I had picked this up wrong when i was speaking to Wrangler before and i mistakenly told him that skills stop training when accounts go inactive, this is why it was included in the patch notes and it's entirely my fault." Did you actually read that? When ghost training was disabled on the Chinese server Jiekon mistakenly thought it was simultaneously being disabled on TQ. It wasn't. His correcting his mistake in no way, shape or form promised (or even implied) that therefore ghost training was a permanent feature of TQ, merely that it wasn't being terminated at that particular moment. This is precisely what invalidates the "it's a bug" argument, though, Catherine. You see, if it was a bug, both servers would have had it removed, perhaps even at the same time. There's no reason you would leave a bug on one server and remove it from another.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:26:00 - [2412] Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature?
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:26:00 - [2413] Well like others have said, when you took away the 30d and 90d gtc's a lot of us were very **ed off, we still are. You managed to reduce your subscriptions then and your going to reduce them now. Well I'm letting my 3 accounts go inactive for good. Greed ain't good, you should learn something from your banking sectors melt down Originally by:** CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
SkwisgaarSkwigelf C.R.M Productions	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:27:00 - [2414] Originally by: BIind Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. link please I think he was telling, not quoting.
Nureoeis	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:27:00 - [2415] Why not have a skill queue ready to implement when making these changes and give sufficient notice, I hope you have a rabbit ready to pop out of that hat.
Captain Kelden	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:27:00 - [2416] Originally by: Lucas Avignon Well I'm letting my 3 accounts go inactive for good. Don't forget to trash your items and biomass your characters on the way out.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:28:00 - [2417] Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 14/10/2008 19:28:44 i can has some stuff? T2 Amarr ships, lazors, reppers, eanms, hardeners, faction/t2 crystals.... no junk plz. Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill tr
Sailon	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:28:00 - [2418] Originally by: Nureoeis Why not have a skill queue ready to implement when making these changes and give sufficient notice, I hope you have a rabbit ready to pop out of that hat. maybe they pop out carrot
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:28:00 - [2419] Implementing this an not having a skill queue seems pretty moronic on the surface. If one digs deeper, they realise that CCP really couldn't care less about 'advancement' or 'balance'. CCP cares about their bottom line and how many more subscriptions they can get. Thanks for making quitting easier. Thanks for being classy and giving your loyal subscribers a fair notice and actual input on a pretty massive game mechanic. Pathetic CCP. I can see now clearly that no one at your company retains the values that once made me sing your praises. So long and thanks for all the fish. -----
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:28:00 - [2420] Edited by: James Marshalll on 14/10/2008 19:29:39 Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: RVWinkle Now that this is no longer a feature I cannot justify resubscribing. Apparently you can, since you're still subscribed... you do know that ending your sub doesn't end your ability to post or play the game until your paid time is gone right? I did not know that. However I was refering to the fact that you have not biomassed your character, meaning you intend to use it at some later point in time. because if CCP every comes to their senses sure people will come back. Speaking with your wallet to show your discontent with a change is one thing, deleting a character you have been building for 4 years out of anger is childish. EDIT for your EDIT: I never said you could post with our unsubbed accounts who are past their playtime. I said people who have paid in advanced for time (or use a GTC) can cancel and STILL post or play until that playtime runs out.
NupetietVer Neuro Cartographic Services	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:29:00 - [2421] the real ccp: h tee tee p prefix: http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ccpfingervc1.jpg
Pastor Blew	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:29:00 - [2422] Originally by: Captain Kelden Don't forget to trash your items and biomass your characters on the way out. You need to do the same.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:29:00 - [2423] Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. ___
Yeknom Nam	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:30:00 - [2424] Originally by: Erimisha Originally by: Tir'in B'karra Silly to you because you've simply become used to ghost training. No other game lets you ghost train, and no one in those games whines and says that it's silly. It's not silly to have to -pay- for a -game- that you are benefiting from. Do you benefit from that character on your regular character? Yes. Therefore you should be paying to enjoy that character. What you're saying is absolutely silly. You're asking CCP if losing money they haven't lost yet is worth implementing a fix that they realized they need to fix. Fail much? What you're failing to understand that that people like him probably never would have gotten a second account in the first place if not for Ghost Training. In that situation CCP actually GAINED 6 months of subscription from him. You use the same logic as software companies when talking about how much they've lost to piracy. In that case they assume that everyone who pirated their software would have bought it. That is simply not true. So people like you and CCP think they "lost" 6 months of subscription due to 'ghost training' but in reality they got an additional 6 months of subs from him that they never would have gotten before. This account would not exist if I had been informed of this change a week ago. Ghost Training was the main incentive justifying the purchase of a second account for a single game. I do not intend to keep an average of one account active at any given time, but I can tell you that I do not plan to pay for both accounts 100% of the time. I understand financial difficulties and I do see where CCP is coming from. I cannot agree with the abruptness and the timing of this change along with the power of two promotion. I can only agree to a compromise. Allow inactive accounts 2 weeks of training. That will provide people the ability to take short breaks and will prevent others from taking advantage of the Ghost Training "bug." In my case this compromise would have my accounts active a total of 75% of the time. This comes out to be the reasonable amount I am willing to spend to play a subscription based game and is very close to what I had planned when creating the second account. In all honestly players should not feel pressured to have two accounts to fully experience a game. I will approach CCP about reimbursement if this change goes live. The leading motivation for the creation of this account can be described as a "bait and switch" and this is exactly what I will tell my Credit Card company if CCP refuses to reimburse. Either way I will receive my $50 back from the CC company
Gedhay	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:30:00 - [2425] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? it was removed from the player guid few hours ago
AntonioBanderas The Bastards	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:30:00 - [2426] still no ccp response to 80 pages of pure love. __________________________________________________ I can say ASS!!! And SHIT!!!! \o/
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:30:00 - [2427] i can has some stuff? T2 Amarr ships, lazors, reppers, eanms, hardeners, faction/t2 crystals.... no junk plz. Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill tr
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:30:00 - [2428] Originally by: Soma Khan Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. Hmm... troll. You don't seem to understand what the issue is here. The issue of ghost-training is secondary. The issue is dropping a significant (and negative) change in the service onto people, and initially making out that it's for "balance" and "fairness" - which is patently garbage - followed by censorship of the forums when customers complain that the service is now not as good as it was. If you don't think that CUSTOMERS should complain when the service is degraded, then fair enough - seems stupid to me, but whatever... ...except you probably do understand, but enjoy trolling to see if you can get a rise out of the angry customers who are posting here.
Baihuigau Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:31:00 - [2429] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? For one in the players guide but that has been ninja edited, im pretty sure iv seen it on some eve advertisements as well, i should try and find my old eve box manual see if it says it there.
Deadly Hobbitses Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:31:00 - [2430] Originally by: BIind Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. link please Yes, I was telling/delivering an ultimatum. Us hobbits may be small but we do have fortitude of soul and a voracious appetite!

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