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Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:31:00 - [2431] http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m128/skyl3lazer/whocares.png
Grytok KL0NKRIEGER	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2432] Well... I was just about to take a break from EvE after 2 1/2 years and set some long skills before my 3 accounts run out... No... I won't resub any accounts of them. GL with your decisions CCP, and fly safe all you capsuleers. I'll be seen in Earthrise then I guess.
Maurice MerleauPonty	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2433] Well this growing alt was going to get gradually skill up with timecodes intermittently tossed his way. That would have been $$$ for CCP that otherwise would not have existed. Now I'm just going to let this character expire. It won't be revived unless the ghost-train nerf is reversed, and I will follow through on this promise.
Xaa Minmatar House Arrakis	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2434] I remember reading that the chinese server never even had the ghost-training "bug"!?
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2435] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. which has already been proven pretty much to be BS. The way skill training worked as I understood it was that there was a one time connection to the database for the start, and one for the finish of the skill. There is no concurrent connection to the database for every skill in training, and if there is someone needs to load a gun and shoot whoever designed their database infrastructure.
Za Tarc	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2436] I see the point, but I believe this has been a mutually beneficial benefit that they might not want gone. I, of course, can only speak from my view, but myself and 4 of my personal friends all play the game, and while we have definately taken advantage of this "unintended feature", it has also worked to CCP's benefit. because the truth is, that most players switch to another game from time to time, if anything, just go get boots on the ground. a ship can get to you after a while. when we leave, we shut down the account... but unlike the other games we play, we come back in 30 days, pay a month and get the skill going again. it is borderline-important to us to do this. However, now when I take a break, I obviously will just turn off my account and deal with the loss of time. Now CCP isn't getting anything during my break from the game. this will also be true for those I personally know. so while some folks will just pay anyway, many other will not pay at all. This will probably lead to a break-even at best... the only difference is that if six months goes by, I might have forgot the draw of the game and won't come back. It is when we log back in and see our beloved ships that we remember why we loved the game. memories fade over time.
Lallante Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:32:00 - [2437] Edited by: Lallante on 14/10/2008 19:33:01 Originally by: oilio Originally by: Soma Khan Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. Hmm... troll. You don't seem to understand what the issue is here. The issue of ghost-training is secondary. The issue is dropping a significant (and negative) change in the service onto people, and initially making out that it's for "balance" and "fairness" - which is patently garbage - followed by censorship of the forums when customers complain that the service is now not as good as it was. If you don't think that CUSTOMERS should complain when the service is degraded, then fair enough - seems stupid to me, but whatever... ...except you probably do understand, but enjoy trolling to see if you can get a rise out of the angry customers who are posting here. *****s. Thats just the excuse the players are using to justify their personal whine at a change that will hit them in the pocket. CCP are acting perfectly naturally as a company, even though I think they are strategically wrong Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku**
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:33:00 - [2438] Originally by: Lord Fuzzywig You see, if it was a bug, both servers would have had it removed, perhaps even at the same time. There's no reason you would leave a bug on one server and remove it from another. First: This thread demonstrates a very good reason to let this particular sleeping dog lie: the almost hysterical anger of those people exploiting it when the free ride ends. Secondly: They didn't just say "It's a bug!" like the window position UI bug. The statement was: "Ghost Training was an unintended feature... While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug." So it's an unintended feature that basically, IN EFFECT was a bug. It's a much more nuanced statement than your interpretation would suggest.
Lallante Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:34:00 - [2439] Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. which has already been proven pretty much to be BS. The way skill training worked as I understood it was that there was a one time connection to the database for the start, and one for the finish of the skill. There is no concurrent connection to the database for every skill in training, and if there is someone needs to load a gun and shoot whoever designed their database infrastructure. Then how does the 'My Character' Page stay updated? Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:34:00 - [2440] Originally by: Gedhay Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? it was removed from the player guid few hours ago Documented in the guide != Advertised as a feature.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:35:00 - [2441] Hopefully this will cost CCP more in canceled accounts then it gains them. Then maybe they can start sacking some of the clowns from the higher echelons. Fingers crossed SKUNK
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:35:00 - [2442] Edited by: BIind on 14/10/2008 19:36:42 Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses Originally by: BIind Originally by: Deadly Hobbitses CCP Wrangler: The only avenue left for CCP to regain any amount of credibility regarding this issue is to implement a skill training queue. ONLY this would provide adequate justification for these drastic measures as the ability to queue up multiple skills to train while you do not pay would be much more of an advantage of note than the current ability to have whatever skill is currently training when your subscription lapses complete. link please Yes, I was telling/delivering an ultimatum. Us hobbits may be small but we do have fortitude of soul and a voracious appetite! Damn (as in the black turkey ship) you hobbits with your ambiguity. Edit: "damn" not censored anymore? haha progress.
Lallante Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:36:00 - [2443] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Lord Fuzzywig You see, if it was a bug, both servers would have had it removed, perhaps even at the same time. There's no reason you would leave a bug on one server and remove it from another. First: This thread demonstrates a very good reason to let this particular sleeping dog lie: the almost hysterical anger of those people exploiting it when the free ride ends. Secondly: They didn't just say "It's a bug!" like the window position UI bug. The statement was: "Ghost Training was an unintended feature... While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug." So it's an unintended feature that basically, IN EFFECT was a bug. It's a much more nuanced statement than your interpretation would suggest. Exactly, all 'unintended feature' means is that it arose as a side effect of how skill training was coded, not as the intention, and they were happy with it until now. Honestly, I wish all the complainers would simply admit they are angry cos they enjoyed playing the system to their advantage and now they cant. GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES; you are lying to yourselves. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
God Chaser Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:36:00 - [2444] Their economy collapsed and they are trying to stay above water. When your money loses so much of its value your in trouble and so they found a way to generate new revenue.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:37:00 - [2445] Originally by: Baihuigau Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? im pretty sure iv seen it on some eve advertisements as well, i should try and find my old eve box manual see if it says it there. Well I'm pretty sure that nobody has been able to find it in any eve advertisements or on their eve box manual.
Velda Chulai	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2446] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. which has already been proven pretty much to be BS. The way skill training worked as I understood it was that there was a one time connection to the database for the start, and one for the finish of the skill. There is no concurrent connection to the database for every skill in training, and if there is someone needs to load a gun and shoot whoever designed their database infrastructure. Then how does the 'My Character' Page stay updated? It stays updates through the power of division.
Kuangdianbai	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2447] Quote: Secondly: They didn't just say "It's a bug!" like the window position UI bug. The statement was: "Ghost Training was an unintended feature... While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug." So it's an unintended feature that basically, IN EFFECT was a bug. It's a much more nuanced statement than your interpretation would suggest. True but this has been going on for 5 years not even a mention hey were trying to fix but could it be maybe because of this iceland stockmarket 678.40 -2326.22 -77.42% 16:40 thats right 2000 point drop today alone.
KingBobs Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2448] ghost training was every time an nice feature and not a bug the next what will come is an another price increase
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2449] Originally by: God Chaser Their economy collapsed and they are trying to stay above water. When your money loses so much of its value your in trouble and so they found a way to generate new revenue. But it isn't really going to do that. It'll probably get them a burst of $$ but it will be a temporary, very short lived amount from the people reactivating accounts to xfer characters or sell them off. After that, less accounts, less $$ - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Hun Jakuza Naughty By Nature	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2450] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Gedhay Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? it was removed from the player guid few hours ago Documented in the guide != Advertised as a feature. Documented advertise in the guide = Advertised as a feature.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 - [2451] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar i can has some stuff? T2 Amarr ships, lazors, reppers, eanms, hardeners, faction/t2 crystals.... no junk plz. I guess...but if this keeps up and everyone leaves you'll be by yourself. So what don't you quit too and play with yourself?
James Marshalll Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:39:00 - [2452] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: James Marshalll Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: oilio This sucks. I am cancelling both subscriptions right now (or would be, if I could get to my account details - seems to have seized up). ... Do make sure and remember to cancel when the accounts page comes up later on. Nothing but good will come from you and those like you leaving this place. Less database and forum pollution, as witnessed by this thread. actually you are wrong. There is no change in the database footprint since they don't delete unsubbed accounts, nor do they delete the assets of those characters. So in reality, beside the forum pollution, nothing is gained on the performance side of the database by people quiting over this.. well I mean other then the fact that lost revenue from people quiting might make them have to fire a database engineer or two.. Database accessing is the important part here. Leaner and meaner CCP. I like it. which has already been proven pretty much to be BS. The way skill training worked as I understood it was that there was a one time connection to the database for the start, and one for the finish of the skill. There is no concurrent connection to the database for every skill in training, and if there is someone needs to load a gun and shoot whoever designed their database infrastructure. Then how does the 'My Character' Page stay updated? When you set a skill to train, a time to finish is associated with that skill. There is a reason that you can not plug in implants, or clone jump with skills active. can you guess why? Thats right, because there is no concurrent connection to the database keeping your skill training an active connection to the front end client until its requested or changed.. It has to recalculate the time so that it can time stamp the database entry with a new time to finish.
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:40:00 - [2453] Shameless cowards at CCP do not have the testicular fortitude to do anything beyond ninja edit and deletions. Do not forgot to edit your patch notes. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=99 On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change. ___ ___ EVE lies...rotating FTL!!! http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=99 On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranqu
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:40:00 - [2454] Edited by: Huan Hunglong on 14/10/2008 19:41:05 Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Baihuigau Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Kuangdianbai I think players are getting angry more at the fact that this has been a feature and advertised as a feature for the past 5 years So people keep saying but they never say where. So, where was this advertised as a feature? im pretty sure iv seen it on some eve advertisements as well, i should try and find my old eve box manual see if it says it there. Well I'm pretty sure that nobody has been able to find it in any eve advertisements or on their eve box manual. It WAS on this page: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp But CCP have conveniently changed that page over night. It used to say: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive But as you can see, its now been changed. edit: Screenshot found: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/lie.jpg I have no problem with CCP making this change... I wish they wouldnt blatently lie to us about the reason behind it. It is NOT a bug, its been a DOCUMENTENTED FEATURE for years!!! You really think your customers are ******ed dont you CCP?
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:40:00 - [2455] Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar i can has some stuff? T2 Amarr ships, lazors, reppers, eanms, hardeners, faction/t2 crystals.... no junk plz. I guess...but if this keeps up and everyone leaves you'll be by yourself. So what don't you quit too and play with yourself? Enslaver, I'll play with you! I'll even sub another account and make a minmatar you can enslave. Frigate racing is fast and fun!
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:40:00 - [2456] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 14/10/2008 19:42:22 hold on
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:41:00 - [2457] Originally by: Hun Jakuza Originally by: Catherine Frasier Documented in the guide != Advertised as a feature. Documented advertise in the guide = Advertised as a feature. As has been pointed out before: Microsoft documents the Blue Screen of Death in their Windows user guide, so by your logic the BSoD is advertised as a feature of Windows. =Fail.
Za Tarc	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:41:00 - [2458] Edited by: Za Tarc on 14/10/2008 19:43:13 I certainly agree with one of the above posts. this is definately "bait and switch". EVERYONE knows this was a feature, not an exploit. CCP is good at bringing up exploits. and the community usually complies. If it was an exploit, then they would have said something a long time ago. Multiple accounts mostly work due to this "feature". Think real hard on this one CCP... it might be time to swallow the pride and let us win one for once. You have hit right at the heart with this one. In business it is not the reality that matters, but the perception of reality. And the perception is that you are taking away an important part of the game.
Hun Jakuza Naughty By Nature	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:42:00 - [2459] Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 14/10/2008 19:43:04 I like when the CCP alts make whining here. "the CCP did smart choice Or i want your stuff when 4237 subscribers cancelled accounts" Oh,my... /sarcasm I want skill pause, when i logged off
CIA1	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:42:00 - [2460] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar i can has some stuff? T2 Amarr ships, lazors, reppers, eanms, hardeners, faction/t2 crystals.... no junk plz. NO shot the hell up.

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