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Jolly Rogerer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:37:00 -
[2701]
 Originally by: Zinnn
... So what if it's MERELY not fixed until now. The question YOU have to ask yourself is WHY did they wait until NOW to fix it instead of fixing it when they had the technology YEARS AGO?? REPLY TO ME CATHERINE, you obviously have nothing better to do than to stick up for CCP, so answer.
Little known fact: you can put all caps to try to intimidate people (and look like a bit of a tool doing it).
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Lilin
Eye of God
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:37:00 -
[2702]
In before page 100 ;D
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xaja
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:37:00 -
[2703]
Hey, CCP... since this is obviously a bad change for a lot of people..
you could give us something to sweeten the pot in that area: Allow us to switch skills by logging on to our character's account on the eve-online website.
Because so far, if you went traveling, you wouldn't be able to switch skills on a journey, cause you can't start up the game client in some internet cafe in India or wherever else.
So the obvious reaction to that would be to let the account expire, since you're getting no benefit once the training runs out.
(Myself? I always keep my main active, but I do suspend alts, especially cause eve is often just not interesting enough to play it without taking repeated 6 months breaks. Here's hoping the new performance changes will make large territorial fleet battles a little more fun)
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splintercellxxx
Gallente
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:37:00 -
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bad PR And i was saying how ccp was going the right direction last week to my mates..
i do ghosttraining not sure if i will continue or just transfer the chars i have to my 2 mains.
need killboard hosting : killboard hosting
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:37:00 -
[2705]
Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 14/10/2008 21:38:50
Originally by: Zinnn
The question YOU have to ask yourself is WHY did they wait until NOW to fix it instead of fixing it when they had the technology YEARS AGO?? REPLY TO ME CATHERINE, you obviously have nothing better to do than to stick up for CCP, so answer.
That's pretty simple. Until it was being exploited heavily enough (or until they noticed that it was being exploited heavily enough) to be a serious problem it was not worth the emoragequitfest that we're seeing here right now. Counts change, the game evolves, what was slightly annoying once becomes more important.
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younub
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:38:00 -
[2706]
Originally by: Shard Merchant
To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did.
quoting this becouse im down
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Aliedora
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:39:00 -
[2707]
Originally by: younub
Originally by: Shard Merchant
To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did.
quoting this becouse im down
QFT
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:39:00 -
[2708]
This is truly a sad day to be an invested EVE enthusiast.
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Wygg
Minmatar
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:40:00 -
[2709]
Originally by: xaja
Hey, CCP... you could give us something to sweeten the pot in that area: Allow us to switch skills by logging on to our character's account on the eve-online website.
Now that's not a wholly bad idea.
+1 for posting the first useful suggestion in the past sixty pages.
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zacuis
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:40:00 -
[2710]
me dislikes this change
i actually think your shooting your selves in the foot here too. surly these ghost training accounts are extra income as they will be subed now and again. now they will simply not be used at all.
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:42:00 -
[2711]
Edited by: Zinnn on 14/10/2008 21:43:15
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Zinnn
The question YOU have to ask yourself is WHY did they wait until NOW to fix it instead of fixing it when they had the technology YEARS AGO?? REPLY TO ME CATHERINE, you obviously have nothing better to do than to stick up for CCP, so answer.
That's pretty simple. Until it was being exploited heavily enough (or until they noticed that it was being exploited heavily enough) to be a serious problem it was not worth the emoragequitfest that we're seeing here right now. Counts change, the game evolves, what was slightly annoying once become more important.
OK so a LITTLE bugfix is not important, even though it is a fix (according to them) ... That makes no sense. The more logical idea is that CCP used it as a selling point to add subscribers. now after the GTC price hike, they saw a lack of subscriptions (they're in the same boat they were before the price hike) and now they're just trying to find a way to recoup their losses. Hopefully they find a new solution - like new features, rather than removing them. Does this make sense to you Catherine or are you still hellbent on this idea being a good one?
EDIT: Sorry Allan Kell for hijacking your idea but it was mine too. Props dude. Hopefully CCP gets it right this time :D
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SK Rooster
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:42:00 -
[2712]
Originally by: Dev Blog
Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills.
oh really?
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CIA1
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:42:00 -
[2713]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 14/10/2008 21:38:50
Originally by: Zinnn
The question YOU have to ask yourself is WHY did they wait until NOW to fix it instead of fixing it when they had the technology YEARS AGO?? REPLY TO ME CATHERINE, you obviously have nothing better to do than to stick up for CCP, so answer.
That's pretty simple. Until it was being exploited heavily enough (or until they noticed that it was being exploited heavily enough) to be a serious problem it was not worth the emoragequitfest that we're seeing here right now. Counts change, the game evolves, what was slightly annoying once becomes more important.
Are you sure you don't work for C.C.P. ?
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:43:00 -
[2714]
Who cares! Just like most things CCP eventually nerf, it's because people got too greedy and the "undocumented feature" was used by too many, too much.
This was taken away when the Chinese server went live, then given back again due to whinage, now it's being taken away again.
If you truly care about it, that's because you are using it to gain an advantage while not paying, so tough luck really.
Funniest thing would be if CCP retroactively removed all skill points ever earned while outside of your subs period. Oh ho, I'd love to see these forums then!
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:43:00 -
[2715]
I'm off for the first phase of training for the navy for 7 weeks soon. I was planning on ghost training a long skill for the first time ever. Now I'm going to have to pay for 7 weeks worth of eve where I'll have no internet access, if I want to stay on par skillswise with everyone else, if I don't I will fall behind.
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Wygg
Minmatar
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:43:00 -
[2716]
I still like the idea of simply prohibiting the sale/transfer of any character that's been inactive for an inordinate percentate of their lifespan.
What's too much? 25%? 50%? 75%?
It would stop dead the farming of characters simply for ISK generation and allow people with RL issues the ability to still reap a reward
Spend X% of the time with the account/characters inactive and you can't sell them. If you didn't intend to sell them in the first place, no problem.
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Derdre Esme
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:45:00 -
[2717]
Edited by: Derdre Esme on 14/10/2008 21:46:06
altough i'm not happy with that too, it's somehow a little bit normal but it's a too sudden / radical change, CCP should instead allow only something like ghost training of skill that are under rank 6
this site will have to be followed closely
in the following month
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:45:00 -
[2718]
bistot kid, I"m not using that feature and I"m still upset. Your logic is flawed.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:45:00 -
[2719]
Originally by: Zinnn
OK so a LITTLE bugfix is not important, even though it is a fix (according to them) ... That makes no sense.
Jesus dude, you ever play Eve? There are millions of little "bugs", flaws, imbalances and gaps that need fixing, or tweaking, or removing. As time (sometimes years) goes by they generally get fixed or changed.
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Dian Cecht
Omnicorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:47:00 -
[2720]
Edited by: Dian Cecht on 14/10/2008 21:47:27
Just adding my voice to the crowd.
Although I don't use the 'feature' on any of my accounts, it's still bad form to remove it.
Dian
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:48:00 -
[2721]
This must be the most **** poor example of customer relations ever.
The explaination was at least honest on the second attempt, but that still does not change the fact that they lied bold faced about it at first.
Ridiculous!
/account expired for good now!
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:48:00 -
[2722]
Edited by: Zinnn on 14/10/2008 21:49:55
EDITED TO POST ON THE NEW PAGE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:48:00 -
[2723]
Originally by: Derdre Esme
this site will have to be followed closely
in the following month
Population statistics don't reflect the number of cancelled alts unfortunately.
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Paradise Dreamer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:49:00 -
[2724]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Zinnn
OK so a LITTLE bugfix is not important, even though it is a fix (according to them) ... That makes no sense.
Jesus dude, you ever play Eve? There are millions of little "bugs", flaws, imbalances and gaps that need fixing, or tweaking, or removing. As time (sometimes years) goes by they generally get fixed or changed.
But, instead of it, let's prepare for ambulation, planet flights and other upgrades to eve... ;/
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Jac Straw
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:50:00 -
[2725]
Originally by: Paradise Dreamer
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Zinnn
OK so a LITTLE bugfix is not important, even though it is a fix (according to them) ... That makes no sense.
Jesus dude, you ever play Eve? There are millions of little "bugs", flaws, imbalances and gaps that need fixing, or tweaking, or removing. As time (sometimes years) goes by they generally get fixed or changed.
But, instead of it, let's prepare for ambulation, planet flights and other upgrades to eve... ;/
Every piece of software you use has "small bugs", no computer program is flawless.
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Soriana Ter'Ridar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:50:00 -
[2726]
STOP FIXING GOOD BUGS AND FIX THE LAAAAAGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! Jeez when will these guys learn?! I think their learninig skills are still at lvl 1.
So if ive missed training time where I wasn't actually training anything then i'm technically allowed it back? Becasue as CCP have highlighted were paying for the training time.
If any of you played the football manager live beta you would know it has the same skill training as eve which hey I thought was great when they introduced it but they also added an even better feature... catch up, so if you missed a few hours/days then the skill you start training would get a speed up bonus until its caught up. Plus you could have target skills and queue them up, all very interesting really.
So some usefull feedback for you there ccp so you can make us proud.
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:50:00 -
[2727]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Zinnn
OK so a LITTLE bugfix is not important, even though it is a fix (according to them) ... That makes no sense.
Jesus dude, you ever play Eve? There are millions of little "bugs", flaws, imbalances and gaps that need fixing, or tweaking, or removing. As time (sometimes years) goes by they generally get fixed or changed.
Perhaps you didn't read that the china server already got that fix a while back and CCP said it would not be implemented in Tranquility. Well here it is. Your logic = epic fail. No flame intended
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MinorMiss
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:51:00 -
[2728]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Jocho
You completely missed the point that Ghost Training was a intentional feature of eve.
It wasn't.
If it wasn't, then why the hell CCP advertised it on Live chats or Interviews.
Got a link for any of that?
yeah ive even put in petitions on my other account asking about skills and whether or not they keep training as a feature. Why confirm it if it wasn't an "intended" feature?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:53:00 -
[2729]
Originally by: Zinnn
Perhaps you didn't read that the china server already got that fix a while back and CCP said it would not be implemented in Tranquility. Well here it is. Your logic = epic fail. No flame intended
Where did CCP say it would never be implemented? Linkage or it didn't happen.
To Shar -verb:
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2 - To say what it means.
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:54:00 -
[2730]
And double shame for hiding this thread as well :(.
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