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Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 - [1] So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE? - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Xavier Zedicus Zardoz Incorporated	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 14/10/2008 00:59:48 Every living thing in the New Eden Universe is technically an alien as they evolved on planets other than the ones they occupy. More specifically: Earth.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE? Most suggestions involving the addition of aliens involve too much us vs them style gameplay - like the aliens get to be the new big threat that the major empires have to band together to fight, or something. It's all black and white, and EVE is shades of grey, so to speak </seriouspost> __________ Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail?
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 - [4] So then it's not so much a matter of aliens ruining EvE, but "big bad race" ruining EvE. Also....serious face is serious. Your expressions are so varied. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE? Well there are aliens, just not intelligent aliens. As for why intelligent alien races would ruin EVE-we've seen it before. One of the things that makes the EVE story so awesome is that it's unique. The giant-human-alliance-vs-aliens thing has been done in basically every SCI-FI movie, game or book ever made. I would support adding aliens if it made a meaningful contribution to the story and made it deeper/more interesting. I don't see how that could happen, all I see is potential to ** it all up. Originally by:** Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 - [6] We ARE the aliens
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 14/10/2008 01:12:13 Originally by: Kahega Amielden I don't see how that could happen, all I see is potential to ** it all up. By that definition we shouldn't do anything more with content because there is always the potential for things to be ed up. And if they introduced aliens, they don't necessarily need to be the evil bad guys. Originally by:** CrayC We ARE the aliens Point. Game, set, match. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques it still doesn't explain why there are so many players auto-scream that it's bad. This is the Eve forum. No matter what you suggest "many players auto-scream that it's bad".
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:03:00 - [9] The game would not change in the slightest if aliens were introduced. They would appear as red crosses just like any other NPC. Their ships would have the same kinds of stats as other NPC ships, their agents would still offer missions and you could ignore the fact that they are aliens if you wanted. In Eve the pirate factions take the place of aliens in other space based games. So there is no need to introduce them.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:05:00 - [10] Quote: By that definition we shouldn't do anything more with content because there is always the potential for things to be **ed up. And if they introduced aliens, they don't necessarily need to be the evil bad guys. Le sigh. Developing the existing story /= radically changing it into something completely different. Originally by:** Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:17:00 - [11] Introducing aliens might not destroy EVE - but it would not be a good thing. Most scifi game aliens are either silly monsters who don't even have the proper appendages and social pre-reqs to develop a technological civilization or humans with funny faces and a couple of extremefied attributes. Most people wouldn't role-play them anyway - while everybody can do a credible human by default. That EVE only uses humans is a nice and original change. Humans are varied and exotic enough. Aliens wouldn't really add anything - but make EVE less than it is. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:49:00 - [12] Actually, the aliens are the "Enheduanni", who are a secret organizations of super beings who have the Jove scared so much that they blew up the stargates leading to their space to prevent them from being able to manipulate the Jovians for their own purpose. Oh yeah, and you have no hope of ever being able to shoot them cause they can just shut off your ship entirely. Their purpose is Galactic conquest, of course. However, they want the galaxy to be their subjects willingly, so they throw the empires at each others throats to weaken them to the point that they will come willingly. Most likely, Admiral Noir was one of their sleeper agents, humans that they have genetically engineered to achieve some purpose. Not even the agents themselves know what they are, as they have false memories implanted in them and they have no knowledge of the task they have been assigned to carry out until they are activated.
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 02:52:00 - [13] Aliens don't really fit into the EVE Universe imo.. Dey see me trollin, dey hatin, moddin they tryin to catch me postin dirty..
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 03:21:00 - [14] Dude, how many players can you see buying up aliens juts to release them on the station owned by someone else (or trying to smuggle them aboard an enemy players ship (Covert ops 5 with new skill Teleporting/Transporting 5?) I can see the pirate black market shaping up to buy them now!!! Regards, Jason Brisbane
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 04:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Darkeen I can see the pirate black market shaping up to buy them now!!! I think you're confusing black market with Amarrian slave market on Saturday mornings. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Gobi Mettle	Posted - 2008.10.14 10:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Darkeen Covert ops 5 with new skill Teleporting/Transporting 5? Oh dear god I would love a Teleporter skill as an alternate to tractor beams, maybe make it limited in terms of the volume you can move from a can into you hold so that for mining ops, tractor was still quicker but for wrecks the transporter was viable. Ninja looting from 10km-40km away (skill dependent) while moving through a belt at top speed FTW.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 - [17] 15 replies and no mention of Goons? This forum is slipping My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Flash Bombardo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:00:00 - [18] I would like to see alins turn up in the "Alien Menace Expansion". Just book that one for summer 2009 please CCP! KTHXBYE
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:05:00 - [19] Most "aliens" you encounter in sci-fi universes are not really aliens, they are just humans in costumes. A problem with introducing aliens (or non-humans) is that it would stereotype the conflict (humans=good, aliens=bad). That might be good for some, but many others prefer much more to explore the difference in human kind that the EVE universe is putting up already. Just look at the 5 main empires and their differences. Also, EVE do in fact have aliens as in the Rogue Drones, but for some strange reason people seem to forget/ignore that. I personally find the history and stories involving the rogue drones very creepy and interesting. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:14:00 - [20] EVE is also about the inhumanity of the human race. It should not be hidden behind a alien mask. Aliens would distract from that aspect of the backstory and they'd also turn EVE in just another sci-fi game. Aliens just don't fit. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Dmian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 - [21] For practical purposes, the Jove are the alien race. They control a region of their own, where you can't go. If they decide to attack someday... they'll probably own the rest of Eve. But frankly, I don't see Bob and Goons uniting agains a common enemy... ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Pure.	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 - [22] Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally. that said as soon as walking in stations it will prolly be boring after awhile with only humans cruising the stations. they will prolly introduce robots, androids, pets etc to make the enviroments have more diversity. that said i think it would be awesome with true storylines and expanding the proffesions such as archeology and xenobiology etc i expect that all booster manufacturing will be shifted towards walking in stations. the ability to setup your own drug lab =) adding an alien race in teh current form of the game it would simply just be a new red cross on your overview since most pilot dont zoom in and look at the new ships that much.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Dmian ... they'll probably own the rest of Eve. Not if i can help it! hugs his EVE People said i own EVE My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:20:00 - [24] Plus who says the Aliens should b evil? They could just be traders/miners with a specific product. Aliens are just a another breed of population. Nothing more. Jove could be aliens and what would that change? Nothing. If there would be hostile aliens I would love to see them use COMPLETELY different techs. Something we couldn't. For example have only one option for a year or to deal with them (run or die).
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Nyack Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally. Weak attempt? There were quite some fundamentally game changes when the drone regions was opened due to the nature of the rogue drone implementation if you remember, and they did shift the balance of the game. And new technology has recently been released trough the meta-drones, though they are not quite that popular yet. Granted it is still a bit small scale, but there is plenty of possibilities for the rogue drones to grow in to a serious threat for all mankind, like you would expect from any kind of "alien" race. Especially when they convert those broken Minmatar dreadnoughts at the battlefield graveyards into new drone monsters. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Snowcrow Minmatar Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 14/10/2008 11:09:40 Most "aliens" you encounter in sci-fi universes are not really aliens, they are just humans in costumes. i would dare to say ALL of them are humans in costums... except Alf, he was real.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Originally by: Aloriana Jacques So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE? Well there are aliens, just not intelligent aliens. As for why intelligent alien races would ruin EVE-we've seen it before. One of the things that makes the EVE story so awesome is that it's unique. The giant-human-alliance-vs-aliens thing has been done in basically every SCI-FI movie, game or book ever made. Ehhh, i wouldn't say its unique exactly. I refer you to a game called Battletech. Humans take to space, colonize loads of planets. They pew pew with each other. Each side has its own story. No aliens in the game, instead a group of humans that within the storyline left the empires to do their own thing for a bit. Even then its up to the players to really decide who they think is right and who is wrong if anyone. Then theres Heavy Gear, basically similar to BT except IIRC,humans go through a wormhole that collapses , no one hears from earth. Sides form, people pew pew. Then Earth shows back up after finding another way to that wormhole off ramp area. so the only big difference is the way the game is played as well as what kind of units are used. in the ones i mentioned they use giant robots, in eve they use space ships. so its all really how you like to be a nerd is all. BT existed long before eve was ever thought up. as for the idea of aliens, who cares? they could just add another human race ala battletech. Could be Earth forces, could be another group of humans that colonized other areas and just made contact with someone in 0.0 .
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:38:00 - [28] If aliens are introduced then the Mission Runners will suffer as the agents would get them to do their missions for a 1/4 of what New Eden citizens expect for the same job. Then you would have rogue militas camping the border. Then you would have Concord erecting a fence along this border and think of the controversy this would cause. Aliens in New Eden would be bad. Maybe we could set up day labor gathering points where we could pick up a few of them to do our more mudane tasks that we don't want to do like salvaging your missions, mowing your lawn, cooking in small resturants, washing the dishes etc. etc. (insert cheesy smiley emoticon here) ---------------
Fabian Valu	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Nyack Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally. Weak attempt? There were quite some fundamentally game changes when the drone regions was opened due to the nature of the rogue drone implementation if you remember, and they did shift the balance of the game. And new technology has recently been released trough the meta-drones, though they are not quite that popular yet. Granted it is still a bit small scale, but there is plenty of possibilities for the rogue drones to grow in to a serious threat for all mankind, like you would expect from any kind of "alien" race. Especially when they convert those broken Minmatar dreadnoughts at the battlefield graveyards into new drone monsters. It would be nice if rogue drones were to include capital ships. Drones could learn how to assimilate other ships besides the Dominix and become even more powerful. Imagine a drone Nyx with figthers that could only be destroyed by well-organized gangs. There could be random encounters at belts and planets or invasions. Rogue drones would be ideal because they already have a place in the Eve universe.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:33:00 - [30] Or we could just draw sticks and rig the game so that Caldari become the aliens and shoot them. I mean the design of those physics evading ships must be alien! Caldarians!
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Or we could just draw sticks and rig the game so that Caldari become the aliens and shoot them. I mean the design of those physics evading ships must be alien! Caldarians! The closest race in game to "aliens" are Achura. I think they should be chased around with cattleprods and dissected to see how they work inside.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [32] The EVE setting is, ultimately, about dealing with being human, with all the virtues and vices that implies. Everything that happens within the setting is a consequence of human decisions, human desires and human failures. That, to me, is one of the things that makes it so strong, and such a good tool to explore the human condition - there's nothing that can be blamed on "those pesky aliens" or otherwise shrugged off as "not our fault". The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to haunt the cluster for a very long time. There's several ways you can use sentient aliens in SF, none of which I feel would really work for us. You can use particular alien races to capture specific aspects of humanity, which is an interesting tool but generally ends up creating very homogeneous races that lack depth. You can make them "like humans but with different skin", which adds exoticism and lets you explore issues of discrimination and so on, but also dehumanizes the issues by drawing a very clear "we're different from them" line. You can use them to explore entirely alien mindsets, which is really interesting as an intellectual exercise but moves the focus away from humanity. Or you can use them as "unknowable others", where their motivations and mindsets are hidden, which make great "evil bad guys" if you want to inspire human unity, but in doing so again tend to take the focus off human internal conflict. Any of these "could" work with EVE, but my personal opinion is that by broadening the scope of the setting it'd also reduce its depth and integrity, and I'm not convinced the tradeoff is worth it. YMMV

Avaan Eclipse Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:38:00 - [33] What if humanity found a planet somewhere that has an alien civilization, technologically on par with us, here today? How would humanity react, would it be instant slavery and homicide, or would it be sharing technology and thoughts? I think such things would've been pretty interesting to explore. I'm not saying it should be done, I just think it's interesting. On another note, how do you think the Earth would look today if there had been a second sentient species evolving separate from humans? how would they be treated? friend or foe? Yes, that last paragraph was just derailing
Batolemaeus Caldari Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Avaan Eclipse What if humanity found a planet somewhere that has an alien civilization, technologically on par with us, here today? How would humanity react, would it be instant slavery and homicide, or would it be sharing technology and thoughts? I think such things would've been pretty interesting to explore. A second Jove would be interesing. After all, the current joves are hiding something, are they not? ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 14/10/2008 14:47:54 Originally by: Avaan Eclipse What if humanity found a planet somewhere that has an alien civilization, technologically on par with us, here today? How would humanity react, would it be instant slavery and homicide, or would it be sharing technology and thoughts? I think such things would've been pretty interesting to explore. I think it would also matter as to what aspect of humanity stumbles across the aliens. The Amarr would enslave them, the Gallente would attempt piece, the Caldari would see new investment opportunities, the Minmatar would see new potential allies in their fight for total freedom, and the Jove would see new playthings! Originally by: Batolemaeus A second Jove would be interesing. After all, the current joves are hiding something, are they not? I think 'hiding' is the key word here. ;) - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Mikal Drey Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:52:00 - [36] hey hey 1) open overview settings 2) Filter, Types, Entities 3) ZOMBIES !!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 4) OMG ZOMBIES ! ! ! ! ! ! 5) profit
Abe Mnemeph Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 - [37] The one thing I would like eve to get closer to is Culture-like space op a la Ian M Banks. the one thing that is lacking is a bigger sense of scale, of 'the universe is big and diverse and there are incredible things in it'. Aliens would be a step toward that (for example I like the hydrogen vs oxygen breathing species in culture novels). About Greyscale's 'Eve is about being human': I agree 100%. But then why is the eve novel full of deus ex-machina which launch everything out of humanity's reach (to say nothing of the "Enheduanni")? Except for Gallente, each race subplot unravel around a unexplained, non human trick (the elders, jamyl sarum and the broker). (you guessed that I didn't like that part of the novel much...)
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 - [38] Empyrean Age Book Spoiler following: Thing is, there already is some sort of alien in eve. It's currently controlling the amarr empress for most of the time. It's some sort of lifeform that also is or represents the Eve Wormhole. It also has "magic" powers, that's why Jamyl Sarum can read your thoughts and stuff. It's a lifeform that even the Jove cannot control and now it's leading the amarr empire. So yeah, there already ARE aliens in Eve Universe. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Brugar	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:24:00 - [39] Sheriff Jones is an alien.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Abe Mnemeph The one thing I would like eve to get closer to is Culture-like space op a la Ian M Banks. the one thing that is lacking is a bigger sense of scale, of 'the universe is big and diverse and there are incredible things in it'. Aliens would be a step toward that (for example I like the hydrogen vs oxygen breathing species in culture novels). About Greyscale's 'Eve is about being human': I agree 100%. But then why is the eve novel full of deus ex-machina which launch everything out of humanity's reach (to say nothing of the "Enheduanni")? Except for Gallente, each race subplot unravel around a unexplained, non human trick (the elders, jamyl sarum and the broker). (you guessed that I didn't like that part of the novel much...) The Elders were hardly alien, more like just wise old men with a vision. I've actually forgotten a fair stuff about the broker, but what i do remember made him sound a bit of an over the top james bond super villain and completely one dimensional. Jamyl Sarum is a terrible character also.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Brugar Sheriff Jones is an alien. Hey hey hey! I'm not. Honest!! I'm. Not! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:43:00 - [42] There are serious balancing issues at play here, we are aliens but I think hes talking about weird lizard type deals or what have you. Anyways back on subject, there are serious balancing issues at play because since their aliens they need funky weird tech, and in this they can become VERY OVERPOWERED as just about every mmo that has tried this has seen, not to mention it would just overcomplicate things.
JAME5 KIRK	Posted - 2008.10.14 17:53:00 - [43] has everyone forgotten the jovians ?
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:04:00 - [44] Originally by: JAME5 KIRK has everyone forgotten the jovians ? Jove is a lie. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->M1tn4L?
Delc DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:17:00 - [45] I for One would love to see another race w/ new ships introduced! OR more Ships in general! N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Virida Mindstar Technology	Posted - 2008.10.14 19:33:00 - [46] Edited by: Virida on 14/10/2008 19:35:29 Edited by: Virida on 14/10/2008 19:34:37 Originally by: CCP Greyscale The EVE setting is, ultimately, about dealing with being human, with all the virtues and vices that implies. Everything that happens within the setting is a consequence of human decisions, human desires and human failures. That, to me, is one of the things that makes it so strong, and such a good tool to explore the human condition - there's nothing that can be blamed on "those pesky aliens" or otherwise shrugged off as "not our fault". The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to haunt the cluster for a very long time. There's several ways you can use sentient aliens in SF, none of which I feel would really work for us. You can use particular alien races to capture specific aspects of humanity, which is an interesting tool but generally ends up creating very homogeneous races that lack depth. You can make them "like humans but with different skin", which adds exoticism and lets you explore issues of discrimination and so on, but also dehumanizes the issues by drawing a very clear "we're different from them" line. You can use them to explore entirely alien mindsets, which is really interesting as an intellectual exercise but moves the focus away from humanity. Or you can use them as "unknowable others", where their motivations and mindsets are hidden, which make great "evil bad guys" if you want to inspire human unity, but in doing so again tend to take the focus off human internal conflict. Any of these "could" work with EVE, but my personal opinion is that by broadening the scope of the setting it'd also reduce its depth and integrity, and I'm not convinced the tradeoff is worth it. YMMV Great summary. Most alien races in scifi is just a few roles: - The human (startrek anyone? 10 thousand alien races who all look as extremist human cultures?) - The beast (traveller's Aslan, including all catgirl aliens as Kzinti in Niven's books, and all birdpeople, teddy bears as Ewoks, etc.) - The monster (aliens and the facehuggers, from aliens movies). - The blob/lump/shapeless creature. Generic semi fungi/shrimp/reptile hybrid from outer space, or a huge jelly, or anything not traditionally a "creature". Old horror movie stuff, Lovecraft monsters who lack all shapes, as Color from outer space, and Shoggoth's. Fantasy, is the same, unfortunately. Strange men/women with funny ears. I agree with the decision to keep EVE human.
Anubis Kerberos	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:52:00 - [47] Two options for "aliens" the way I see it (that would fit within EVE). Genetically Engineered creatures that develop sentience/sapience and rebel against their creators(so, it basically keeps with the Rogue Drone idea, man plays god and it goes horribly wrong, but instead of being wierd drone-things, these "aliens" are fully intelligent beings with their own unique technologies etc. which would add a lot to the variety in eve without detracting from the humanity of the game (as they are human creations and therefore made in our own image, in fact, I would say it adds a whole new dimension to the humanity of EVE). Second option: Extinct precursor race. I think most people that play the game just want to know that aliens had existed at some point in this universe. This is the perfect solution, I think, as it adds plenty of depth, without introducing anything that may detract from the humanity. This allows for plenty of room for new technologies and designs to be implemented, as well as the suggestion that the race that came before might have been humans themselves (if you play your cards right...)
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.14 21:56:00 - [48] Rogue drones, jove, sansha zombies, it's all there.
Igor Walesa Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:29:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Greyscale The EVE setting is, ultimately, about dealing with being human, with all the virtues and vices that implies. Everything that happens within the setting is a consequence of human decisions, human desires and human failures. That, to me, is one of the things that makes it so strong, and such a good tool to explore the human condition - there's nothing that can be blamed on "those pesky aliens" or otherwise shrugged off as "not our fault". The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to haunt the cluster for a very long time. There's several ways you can use sentient aliens in SF, none of which I feel would really work for us. You can use particular alien races to capture specific aspects of humanity, which is an interesting tool but generally ends up creating very homogeneous races that lack depth. You can make them "like humans but with different skin", which adds exoticism and lets you explore issues of discrimination and so on, but also dehumanizes the issues by drawing a very clear "we're different from them" line. You can use them to explore entirely alien mindsets, which is really interesting as an intellectual exercise but moves the focus away from humanity. Or you can use them as "unknowable others", where their motivations and mindsets are hidden, which make great "evil bad guys" if you want to inspire human unity, but in doing so again tend to take the focus off human internal conflict. Any of these "could" work with EVE, but my personal opinion is that by broadening the scope of the setting it'd also reduce its depth and integrity, and I'm not convinced the tradeoff is worth it. YMMV One of the things that makes BSG far better than most SciFi series, is that line between the "aliens", cylons, and the humans is blurred. It brings up all sorts of questions about what qualifies as sentient or "free will". I personally wouldn't mind seeing the rogue drone line expanded into something like the BSG cylons.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:44:00 - [50] where the weird faceless guy on the forum when you need him !!!! The EvE LifeÖ Blog bringing you the blogs that really matter working in conjunction with EVE Network NewsÖ
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:56:00 - [51] Originally by: JAME5 KIRK has everyone forgotten the jovians ? No! Nevar forget the jovians ! __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Armoured C where the weird faceless guy on the forum when you need him !!!! I was here earlier in the thread, wasn't I? I can't be everywhere __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
No Homo Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 23:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Armoured C where the weird faceless guy on the forum when you need him !!!! I was here earlier in the thread, wasn't I? I can't be everywhere Yeah and your face can't be anywhere. -------------------
wolfbuzz Gallente Event.Horizon	Posted - 2008.10.15 00:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Well there are aliens, just not intelligent aliens. As for why intelligent alien races would ruin EVE-we've seen it before. One of the things that makes the EVE story so awesome is that it's unique. The giant-human-alliance-vs-aliens thing has been done in basically every SCI-FI movie, game or book ever made. I would support adding aliens if it made a meaningful contribution to the story and made it deeper/more interesting. I don't see how that could happen, all I see is potential to **** it all up. I completely agree with you. EVE has THE most unique SciFi story in recent times. I don't see how adding aliens would make EVE better in any way. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ikathis sihtaki	Posted - 2008.10.15 01:14:00 - [55] My clone Vat...Soo cold....sooo cold.....
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.15 01:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: JAME5 KIRK has everyone forgotten the jovians ? No! Nevar forget the jovians ! Face it. Everyone has given up on the Jovians because the devs will NEVER actually add them. -- (CCP Inconsistency) Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.15 02:14:00 - [57] I was probed by an alien. Seriously he showed up in a helios and I killed him. Terrible loot. Then his buddies showed up and left crop circles in my gas clouds. My drones are afraid to come out of the bay now because of all these aliens. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Fennicus Amarr Shoot To Thrill	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:15:00 - [58] Edited by: Fennicus on 15/10/2008 12:23:57 Originally by: CCP Greyscale The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to give me free morphite for a very long time. Fixed. On a serious note, I think Greyscale missed the option that sometimes they can simply drive human events without necessarily being the bad guys - but I guess the Jove currently hold that slot (all the while being pretty alien but still looking humanoid... oops?). The Amnion from Stephen Donaldson's Gap Cycle books are what I'm thinking about here - yes, at the end of the day they are 'evil,' but up until the developments in the book there's an equilibrium between them and us. PS: Forum bug means brackets are stripped out of URLs. Not very useful for linking to Wikipedia. >.>
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Armoured C where the weird faceless guy on the forum when you need him !!!! I was here earlier in the thread, wasn't I? I can't be everywhere A... thinks Fa... thinks more Nope, i got nothing... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:40:00 - [60] Fedos?
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:43:00 - [61] Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: JAME5 KIRK has everyone forgotten the jovians ? No! Nevar forget the jovians ! Face it. Everyone has given up on the Jovians because the devs will NEVER actually add them. I'm a secret jovian, imhotbhbbq __________ Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF
pippan Gallente Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:44:00 - [62] How can you look at a male achura and say that we need more aliens? ----
Tuttomenui II Gallente kungfuhammers	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:27:00 - [63] Edited by: Tuttomenui II on 15/10/2008 13:36:50 Imagine in a few years CCP decides to have some npc charactor discover a way to re-open the (whats that calapsed gate that leads to earth) and they introduce 4 new races of which evolved seperate from the 4 current races, and by expanding the universe back into earths area they double the size of the game and they make it possible to choose between 8 instead of 4 races. And introduce 4 new tech trees. Perhaps the npc charactor callapses the nearest star to the calapsed gate to form a black hole to use as a power source for a new type of stargate. In doing so destroys the entire system and all the stargates that lead out of the system have to be placed in one spot near the re-opened gate. The system Becomes very small in comparison to others as far as how far you can stray from the gates. which are all in the same grid. Then he takes the re-opened gate and he connects it to a gate that he finds in historical documents of the closed region. mainly cause it is unknown if the calapsed gates counterpart is also destroyed. He then jumps a huge ship in then travels to the system where the other side should be and calapses that star and builds a gate to jump back, thereby completeing a 2 way bridge. Or maybe just jumps to the other end without all that and it works cause there are residual traces of the old conection which would allow a one way jump. Just imagine that. Would still be in keeping to the human expirience and would be friggin awsome. And I bet its not like they havent thought of this. They could even start it out before they are connected and have 2 games running for a year to populate the other region with some real players then connect them in a big massive celebritory thing like an aneversary of eve of some kind. ^^Dude My signiture is an actual Signiture WOW!!^^
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:27:00 - [64] If they would introduce a Borg invasion in the outer 0.0 systems it would be very kewl. Easy to make ships too lol And borgs, as we know, are all kinds of aliens. The freakiest Borg aliens are the Nerds btw. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:37:00 - [65] Because they aren't accountd for / would disrupt the Seldon plan.... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Dantesnewavatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:15:00 - [66] i remember reading an EVEnews article that mentioned a possible intelligent humaniod creature on some planet and the new laws that were being put in place to protect them.
Dorah Hawkwing Armada.	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:01:00 - [67] How about uninteligent space monsters like the giant space amoeba from Master of Orion? :)
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing How about uninteligent space monsters like the giant space amoeba from Master of Orion? :) Kekekekeke -------- Ideas for: Mining
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.21 18:30:00 - [69] I think Grayscale sums it up pretty nicely. One of the best things with EVE is that it's all about humanity with some spin-off humans like Joves, and rogue drones created by humans. I could draw some parallels to other Scifi universes.. Battlestar Galactica - Humans created the cylon which they now vage war against, like rogue drones. Firefly - Reavers are humans gone mad and turn into psychotic cannibals, closest thing in eve must be Bloodraiders. I also think aliens are such a clichT and I'm glad EVE doesn't have them. Dey see me trollin, dey hatin, moddin they tryin to catch me postin dirty..
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.10.21 19:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Fedos? This is what I always think of whenever this topic comes up. We already have strange creatures in fedos, furriers, slaver hounds, etc. Of course, maybe all those are just evolved or tampered with critters from earth. /shrug Originally by: pippan How can you look at a male achura and say that we need more aliens? But really, this. I mean look at the Amarr. How the heck can you have an entire race consisting of grumpy bald guys who look like they're suffering from epic levels of constipation? That's probably what all the religious fervor is about. Take their mind off their prune juice shortage. And then there's the Gallente. It's not natural having so many dudes running around looking like they just got back from a 'N Sync look a like contest. Gotta be aliens. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Finnroth Caldari The Crimson Fraternity	Posted - 2008.10.21 20:05:00 - [71] Edited by: Finnroth on 21/10/2008 20:05:14 There's sooo much potential in EVE, there's no need for aliens. For one they could expand the idea of Sansa Nation and give them more influence in the EVE universe - starting from ships, to tech and so on. I don't acutally believe they will do that in a long time, but the small factions, Jove and even Enheduanni have enough potential to make up for any aliens - including the very superficial idea of the old races like talocan, sleeper and so on. I really hope they will someday expand on those things. Edit: Whooaah, i took 8 confirmations to finally get the post into the forums oO Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.10.21 20:08:00 - [72] We had one: Tarminic. Who knows what happened to him and his pink text, but we're alienless now.
Paladineguru Gallente DAB G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.21 21:42:00 - [73] aliens .. pffft Im still waiting from beta to see jove. * please adjust the size of your signature image to no more than 400x120 - CCP Fallout
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.10.21 21:54:00 - [74] Originally by: Confuzer If they would introduce a Borg invasion in the outer 0.0 systems it would be very kewl. Easy to make ships too lol And borgs, as we know, are all kinds of aliens. The freakiest Borg aliens are the Nerds btw. No no, we need a borg cube to attack Jita ^_^ Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.10.21 21:59:00 - [75] I want illegal aliens, so I can make them mine for me, for like 5 pesos an hour. ::::Click The Signature For the Blog::::
Macmuelli Gallente Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.21 22:01:00 - [76] The old races like takmahl/sleepers/yan yung and talocan could raise up again. Or better return to there old systems. The Jove / ehudianni(or what ever they called) could also play a role and be added to the game. Enough playground for a human based " alien". But i fear it will take ages if ccp will ever look into it. focused on Ambulation / perhaps Planet interaction? HStt de MSkelb÷rger ierst n Menschen in sin Haart inschlottn, denn kann diese Mensch sich opn Meckelb÷rger full und gonz verlatten." evefan since 2003
Slash Harnet Minmatar Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:32:00 - [77] I'd love to see the eve gate reactivate as a one way portal from earth. Have the earthings use amarr/caldari as pawns to establish a foot hold. A short time later the Jove start having a problem with true technological rivals hanging around. Different objectives on each side. Rewards in the form of 'outdated' earth/Jove tech. Random pew pew shenanigans for all.
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:52:00 - [78] It would ruin EVE because EVE explores post-humanism, civilization, and evolution. Putting aliens into the game would be incredibly stupid as EVE barely expresses the full divergence in its version of humanity. At best, it gives you some idea and leaves the rest up to imagination. As the majority of people don't spend time trying to comprehend the backstory, aliens would simply diminish everything else OR become total irrelevance. Yes, its heady, but quite honestly EVE is more interesting without aliens. At least with humans doing crazy ** we still have a frame of reference. We can say "humans started here, and ended up there" and go "whoa" and contemplate the circumstances which allowed this development. Then you look at real life and see similar trends. Aliens are well, just there. You have no frame of reference and its wierd/different for the sake of it. Go read hard scifi if you need that for your nerdgasms. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT:** CAN YOU SPOT IT?
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:52:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Greyscale The EVE setting is, ultimately, about dealing with being human, with all the virtues and vices that implies. Everything that happens within the setting is a consequence of human decisions, human desires and human failures. That, to me, is one of the things that makes it so strong, and such a good tool to explore the human condition - there's nothing that can be blamed on "those pesky aliens" or otherwise shrugged off as "not our fault". The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to haunt the cluster for a very long time. I get what you're saying, but sometimes it's hard to remember you're not playing the the milky way, it seems to me we don't need aliens per se, but we do need more of ^^ this in-game.
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2008.10.22 04:32:00 - [80] rogue drones could be made split into mindless drones and perhaps a new self aware race that could be a cyborg-drone type of offshoot Jove pirate faction or their enemies could come in to it in storyline terms There are several other possibles perhaps genetically engineered humans that are crossed with newly discovered sentient life Concepts of aliens might be restricted to the odd event or rare rare spawns to start with if it was but probably wont be itnroduced
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 07:42:00 - [81] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE? "Ruin" is a strong word. But I like the fact that CCP have maintained their game's narrative integrity by not resorting to lame "aliens" who are all thinly disguised humans in blue body-paint and glue-on antennae. The aliens are us.
Thorexion Lynch Gallente 101st Space Marine Force	Posted - 2008.10.22 22:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Aloriana Jacques it still doesn't explain why there are so many players auto-scream that it's bad. This is the Eve forum. No matter what you suggest "many players auto-scream that it's bad". FACT!
Nol Agnot Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.22 23:08:00 - [83] Glue on some wrinkles in your face and be the alien! Delenda est achura.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.10.22 23:09:00 - [84] Originally by: Thorexion Lynch Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Aloriana Jacques it still doesn't explain why there are so many players auto-scream that it's bad. This is the Eve forum. No matter what you suggest "many players auto-scream that it's bad". FACT! That reply was a terrible idea and so was mine im an idiot RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Aliens made me do it ----------------- My EvE Comic
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2008.10.22 23:24:00 - [85] The Sansha are probably the closest thing to non-human aliens we have.
Taak Coram Gallente Outdated Host Productions	Posted - 2008.10.22 23:28:00 - [86] Originally by: Taedrin Actually, the aliens are the "Enheduanni", who are a secret organizations of super beings who have the Jove scared so much that they blew up the stargates leading to their space to prevent them from being able to manipulate the Jovians for their own purpose. Oh yeah, and you have no hope of ever being able to shoot them cause they can just shut off your ship entirely. Their purpose is Galactic conquest, of course. However, they want the galaxy to be their subjects willingly, so they throw the empires at each others throats to weaken them to the point that they will come willingly. Most likely, Admiral Noir was one of their sleeper agents, humans that they have genetically engineered to achieve some purpose. Not even the agents themselves know what they are, as they have false memories implanted in them and they have no knowledge of the task they have been assigned to carry out until they are activated. ...Cylons? They have more models now!!
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.23 02:18:00 - [87] Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana Fedos? These are aliens. Also see my signature link (space whale thread). I have been lobbying for aliens or at least a new form of game-play for ages. --- Put in space whales!
Par'Gellen Gallente Tres Hombres Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.10.23 15:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey 1) open overview settings 2) Filter, Types, Entities 3) ZOMBIES !!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 4) OMG ZOMBIES ! ! ! ! ! ! 5) profit ROFLMAO!!! It's really there! What the hell?
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2008.10.23 16:06:00 - [89] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques So then it's not so much a matter of aliens ruining EvE, but "big bad race" ruining EvE. I demand Borg.
Panzerkom Caldari The Polaris Axis New MagnaDyne Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.23 16:56:00 - [90] They were still gonna do something with the poor Jovians, right?
Kurt Ambrose Caldari Digital assassins G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.23 17:04:00 - [91] rogue drones are kind of like aliens, even though they are robots
Knawt Ongrid	Posted - 2008.10.23 18:16:00 - [92] I agree the aliens are already sort of there. Zombies/Borg/Sansha, Vampires/Blood Raiders (need to fix those ships btw since the nos nerf), and Rogue Drones. Speaking of rogue drones, they need more development. Sentient spawns are stupidly rare compared to faction spawns of other npcs. And there are no "officer" rogue drones that drop officer drone link augmenters and such. The alloys simply make up for lack of bounty and named mods. Meta and Augmented drones are ok, but the drop rate of the components to build them is abysmal and ultimately they are just stronger drones. Seriously, give use BPCs for Rogue Drone faction drone mods and special ew drones, or officer spawns with the actual mods.
Siberys Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.23 20:30:00 - [93] I know aliens. They're called 0.0 alliance leaders. __________________________________________ This be my sig.
Kell Hunter	Posted - 2008.10.23 20:41:00 - [94] Edited by: Kell Hunter on 23/10/2008 20:41:53 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! no jove, i get sick of explaining this to people. there will be no jove. ever. no why? because it cant work, a single Jove are waaaayyyy over powered compared to the other other races. imagine if you will. every single jove ship can cloak, with a perfect cloaking device, take remote control of enemy ships, and **** ships several times their size/class. as a prime example, a single jove mothership wiped out a whole amarrian fleet. this is fact, its one of the lores main stories. a single shot for a BS, a single shot for several cruisers. now consider, A: no other race even has guns on their Motherships, B: they cant change it, without trotting all over the amarrian/matari back stories C: its obviously OP D: lore > jove-whiners and on another note: the Order is even worse. instant nonlinear teleportation? really now.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2008.10.24 02:38:00 - [95] Edited by: Siege on 24/10/2008 02:40:08 Originally by: CCP Greyscale The EVE setting is, ultimately, about dealing with being human, with all the virtues and vices that implies. Everything that happens within the setting is a consequence of human decisions, human desires and human failures. That, to me, is one of the things that makes it so strong, and such a good tool to explore the human condition - there's nothing that can be blamed on "those pesky aliens" or otherwise shrugged off as "not our fault". The rogue drones fit perfectly into this: they're the consequence of playing god without really knowing what you're doing, and that mistake will probably continue to haunt the cluster for a very long time. There's several ways you can use sentient aliens in SF, none of which I feel would really work for us. You can use particular alien races to capture specific aspects of humanity, which is an interesting tool but generally ends up creating very homogeneous races that lack depth. You can make them "like humans but with different skin", which adds exoticism and lets you explore issues of discrimination and so on, but also dehumanizes the issues by drawing a very clear "we're different from them" line. You can use them to explore entirely alien mindsets, which is really interesting as an intellectual exercise but moves the focus away from humanity. Or you can use them as "unknowable others", where their motivations and mindsets are hidden, which make great "evil bad guys" if you want to inspire human unity, but in doing so again tend to take the focus off human internal conflict. Any of these "could" work with EVE, but my personal opinion is that by broadening the scope of the setting it'd also reduce its depth and integrity, and I'm not convinced the tradeoff is worth it. YMMV Well, there is always the non-sentient space faring creatures too. Perhaps some kind of space whale casually drifting around a belt in high sec, not really able to do anything to defend itself, and not leaving very valuable loot. Interesting, yes. Game changing, no. Edit: Just saw the other space-whale post, but there was no signature and thus no link in the signature.
BloodHair	Posted - 2008.10.30 21:34:00 - [96] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Armoured C where the weird faceless guy on the forum when you need him !!!! I was here earlier in the thread, wasn't I? I can't be everywhere Aren't you tired playing Where's Wally?
Cassandra Wolf Gallente Men in Blue Mining Corporation Cold Steel Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.30 22:57:00 - [97] I¦d love to see some overpowered npc aliens to invade eve.. maybe missions against small amounts of ships that are nearly as good as player ships <3 Battletech-Claninvasion-3050-Style.. quineg? \o/
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.10.31 01:29:00 - [98] I'd not be surprised if we'd see infiltrators from rogue drones in ambulation some time in the future, replicants anyone? Cyborgs, androids or outright robots sure, bad make-up and an extra eye humanoids hell no! If worst case scenario do unfold make it insectoid, peoples inherit fear of bugs would be a good selling point, audio filling up with clicking and crawling noises whenever they come near. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Blastil	Posted - 2008.10.31 01:49:00 - [99] There already aliens in EVE. They're called the Jove, and they will Pwnzor you in combat. Eve needs no aliens.
Lysianna Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.31 20:21:00 - [100] Alot scarier to deal with humans then Aliens. ________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.10.31 21:17:00 - [101] Space whales would technically be aliens. I want space whales. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Envey Sengir Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.31 22:17:00 - [102] No John, you are the demons.

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