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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:56:00 -
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So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE?
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Xavier Zedicus
Zardoz Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 14/10/2008 00:59:48
Every living thing in the New Eden Universe is technically an alien as they evolved on planets other than the ones they occupy.
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Chaos Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE?
Most suggestions involving the addition of aliens involve too much us vs them style gameplay - like the aliens get to be the new big threat that the major empires have to band together to fight, or something. It's all black and white, and EVE is shades of grey, so to speak
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 -
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So then it's not so much a matter of aliens ruining EvE, but "big bad race" ruining EvE.
Also....serious face is serious. Your expressions are so varied.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE?
Well there are aliens, just not intelligent aliens.
As for why intelligent alien races would ruin EVE-we've seen it before. One of the things that makes the EVE story so awesome is that it's unique. The giant-human-alliance-vs-aliens thing has been done in basically every SCI-FI movie, game or book ever made.
I would support adding aliens if it made a meaningful contribution to the story and made it deeper/more interesting. I don't see how that could happen, all I see is potential to **** it all up.
Originally by: Catharacta
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
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We ARE the aliens
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aloriana Jacques on 14/10/2008 01:12:13
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I don't see how that could happen, all I see is potential to **** it all up.
By that definition we shouldn't do anything more with content because there is always the potential for things to be ****ed up. And if they introduced aliens, they don't necessarily need to be the evil bad guys.
Originally by: CrayC
We ARE the aliens
Point. Game, set, match.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
it still doesn't explain why there are so many players auto-scream that it's bad.
This is the Eve forum. No matter what you suggest "many players auto-scream that it's bad".
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Banana Torres
Look Ma I did a Test
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:03:00 -
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The game would not change in the slightest if aliens were introduced. They would appear as red crosses just like any other NPC. Their ships would have the same kinds of stats as other NPC ships, their agents would still offer missions and you could ignore the fact that they are aliens if you wanted.
In Eve the pirate factions take the place of aliens in other space based games. So there is no need to introduce them.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:05:00 -
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By that definition we shouldn't do anything more with content because there is always the potential for things to be ****ed up. And if they introduced aliens, they don't necessarily need to be the evil bad guys.
Le sigh. Developing the existing story /= radically changing it into something completely different.
Originally by: Catharacta
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:17:00 -
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Introducing aliens might not destroy EVE - but it would not be a good thing.
Most scifi game aliens are either silly monsters who don't even have the proper appendages and social pre-reqs to develop a technological civilization or humans with funny faces and a couple of extremefied attributes.
Most people wouldn't role-play them anyway - while everybody can do a credible human by default.
That EVE only uses humans is a nice and original change. Humans are varied and exotic enough. Aliens wouldn't really add anything - but make EVE less than it is.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:49:00 -
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Actually, the aliens are the "Enheduanni", who are a secret organizations of super beings who have the Jove scared so much that they blew up the stargates leading to their space to prevent them from being able to manipulate the Jovians for their own purpose. Oh yeah, and you have no hope of ever being able to shoot them cause they can just shut off your ship entirely.
Their purpose is Galactic conquest, of course. However, they want the galaxy to be their subjects willingly, so they throw the empires at each others throats to weaken them to the point that they will come willingly. Most likely, Admiral Noir was one of their sleeper agents, humans that they have genetically engineered to achieve some purpose. Not even the agents themselves know what they are, as they have false memories implanted in them and they have no knowledge of the task they have been assigned to carry out until they are activated.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 02:52:00 -
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Aliens don't really fit into the EVE Universe imo..
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:21:00 -
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Dude, how many players can you see buying up aliens juts to release them on the station owned by someone else (or trying to smuggle them aboard an enemy players ship (Covert ops 5 with new skill Teleporting/Transporting 5?)
I can see the pirate black market shaping up to buy them now!!!
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen
I can see the pirate black market shaping up to buy them now!!!
I think you're confusing black market with Amarrian slave market on Saturday mornings.
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Gobi Mettle
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen
Covert ops 5 with new skill Teleporting/Transporting 5?
Oh dear god I would love a Teleporter skill as an alternate to tractor beams, maybe make it limited in terms of the volume you can move from a can into you hold so that for mining ops, tractor was still quicker but for wrecks the transporter was viable.
Ninja looting from 10km-40km away (skill dependent) while moving through a belt at top speed FTW.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
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15 replies and no mention of Goons? This forum is slipping 
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Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:00:00 -
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I would like to see alins turn up in the "Alien Menace Expansion".
Just book that one for summer 2009 please CCP!
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:05:00 -
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Most "aliens" you encounter in sci-fi universes are not really aliens, they are just humans in costumes.
A problem with introducing aliens (or non-humans) is that it would stereotype the conflict (humans=good, aliens=bad). That might be good for some, but many others prefer much more to explore the difference in human kind that the EVE universe is putting up already. Just look at the 5 main empires and their differences.
Also, EVE do in fact have aliens as in the Rogue Drones, but for some strange reason people seem to forget/ignore that. I personally find the history and stories involving the rogue drones very creepy and interesting.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:14:00 -
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EVE is also about the inhumanity of the human race. It should not be hidden behind a alien mask. Aliens would distract from that aspect of the backstory and they'd also turn EVE in just another sci-fi game. Aliens just don't fit.
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Dmian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 -
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For practical purposes, the Jove are the alien race. They control a region of their own, where you can't go. If they decide to attack someday... they'll probably own the rest of Eve.
But frankly, I don't see Bob and Goons uniting agains a common enemy... 
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 -
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Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally.
that said as soon as walking in stations it will prolly be boring after awhile with only humans cruising the stations. they will prolly introduce robots, androids, pets etc to make the enviroments have more diversity.
that said i think it would be awesome with true storylines and expanding the proffesions such as archeology and xenobiology etc
i expect that all booster manufacturing will be shifted towards walking in stations. the ability to setup your own drug lab =)
adding an alien race in teh current form of the game it would simply just be a new red cross on your overview since most pilot dont zoom in and look at the new ships that much.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian
... they'll probably own the rest of Eve.
Not if i can help it! *hugs his EVE* People said i own EVE
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:20:00 -
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Plus who says the Aliens should b evil? They could just be traders/miners with a specific product. Aliens are just a another breed of population. Nothing more. Jove could be aliens and what would that change? Nothing.
If there would be hostile aliens I would love to see them use COMPLETELY different techs. Something we couldn't. For example have only one option for a year or to deal with them (run or die).
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nyack
Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally.
Weak attempt?
There were quite some fundamentally game changes when the drone regions was opened due to the nature of the rogue drone implementation if you remember, and they did shift the balance of the game. And new technology has recently been released trough the meta-drones, though they are not quite that popular yet.
Granted it is still a bit small scale, but there is plenty of possibilities for the rogue drones to grow in to a serious threat for all mankind, like you would expect from any kind of "alien" race. Especially when they convert those broken Minmatar dreadnoughts at the battlefield graveyards into new drone monsters.
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Snowcrow
Minmatar
Lyonesse.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 14/10/2008 11:09:40
Most "aliens" you encounter in sci-fi universes are not really aliens, they are just humans in costumes.
i would dare to say ALL of them are humans in costums... except Alf, he was real.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
So, one thing I've always noticed whenever someone mentions "EVE" and "ALIENS" in the same sentence, people jump on the wagon and start screaming that if CCP ever introduced aliens it would ruin EvE. I want to know why people have this mentality. Why do YOU think aliens would/wouldn't ruin EVE?
Well there are aliens, just not intelligent aliens.
As for why intelligent alien races would ruin EVE-we've seen it before. One of the things that makes the EVE story so awesome is that it's unique. The giant-human-alliance-vs-aliens thing has been done in basically every SCI-FI movie, game or book ever made.
Ehhh, i wouldn't say its unique exactly. I refer you to a game called Battletech. Humans take to space, colonize loads of planets. They pew pew with each other. Each side has its own story. No aliens in the game, instead a group of humans that within the storyline left the empires to do their own thing for a bit. Even then its up to the players to really decide who they think is right and who is wrong if anyone.
Then theres Heavy Gear, basically similar to BT except IIRC,humans go through a wormhole that collapses , no one hears from earth. Sides form, people pew pew. Then Earth shows back up after finding another way to that wormhole off ramp area.
so the only big difference is the way the game is played as well as what kind of units are used. in the ones i mentioned they use giant robots, in eve they use space ships. so its all really how you like to be a nerd is all.
BT existed long before eve was ever thought up.
as for the idea of aliens, who cares? they could just add another human race ala battletech. Could be Earth forces, could be another group of humans that colonized other areas and just made contact with someone in 0.0 .
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Dotard
Minmatar
Eternal Guardians Corp.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:38:00 -
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If aliens are introduced then the Mission Runners will suffer as the agents would get them to do their missions for a 1/4 of what New Eden citizens expect for the same job.
Then you would have rogue militas camping the border. Then you would have Concord erecting a fence along this border and think of the controversy this would cause.
Aliens in New Eden would be bad. Maybe we could set up day labor gathering points where we could pick up a few of them to do our more mudane tasks that we don't want to do like salvaging your missions, mowing your lawn, cooking in small resturants, washing the dishes etc. etc.
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Fabian Valu
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Nyack
Isnt rogue drones a weak attempt to create aliens in Eve? you simply cant add aliens without fundemantally changing the game play. aliens would introduce new technology, manufacturing, resources etc. it would shift the balance of the game totally.
Weak attempt?
There were quite some fundamentally game changes when the drone regions was opened due to the nature of the rogue drone implementation if you remember, and they did shift the balance of the game. And new technology has recently been released trough the meta-drones, though they are not quite that popular yet.
Granted it is still a bit small scale, but there is plenty of possibilities for the rogue drones to grow in to a serious threat for all mankind, like you would expect from any kind of "alien" race. Especially when they convert those broken Minmatar dreadnoughts at the battlefield graveyards into new drone monsters.
It would be nice if rogue drones were to include capital ships. Drones could learn how to assimilate other ships besides the Dominix and become even more powerful. Imagine a drone Nyx with figthers that could only be destroyed by well-organized gangs. There could be random encounters at belts and planets or invasions.
Rogue drones would be ideal because they already have a place in the Eve universe.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:33:00 -
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Or we could just draw sticks and rig the game so that Caldari become the aliens and shoot them. I mean the design of those physics evading ships must be alien! Caldarians!
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