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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:24:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:
Makes me wonder where all these Sociopaths I keep hearing about are?
Here in the forums, where else would they be? I suspect that you sir are likely some sort of brigand attempting to trick me. Nope, no trick and I'm definitely not a Brigand either. |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:47:00 -
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Aylleen wrote:Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side. Tomayto tomahto. I choose to see it as the only game whose population is still growing after 10 years, the opposite of how it goes in most MMOs. Besides, being a niche game isn't a bad thing. |
Zircon Dasher
106
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:50:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:Aylleen wrote:Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side. Tomayto tomahto. I choose to see it as the only game whose population is still growing after 10 years, the opposite of how it goes in most MMOs. Besides, being a niche game isn't a bad thing.
Thats only because CCP keeps introducing stuff that requires more accounts.
Real Life Player numbers keep slowly dropping.
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Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:51:00 -
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Potamus Jenkins wrote:brigands and highwaymen
all of you
scoundrels! Awww, you flatterer! <3
Justa Altlol wrote:Aylleen wrote:Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side. Tomayto tomahto. I choose to see it as the only game whose population is still growing after 10 years, the opposite of how it goes in most MMOs. Besides, being a niche game isn't a bad thing. And I have a hard time thinking of a game with twice the population of the country it was developed in being a niche game anyway. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:54:00 -
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I play EVE in a system that averages 125 people a day. No one in that system ever engages in such activity that you've pointed out. On occassion we are set upon by half a dozen, or so, "visitors" at war with each other. I've yet to understand why they decide to come to our corner of the galaxy, but they do. The ONLY time said behavior occurs is when these folks happen by.
What's funny about it in a HA HA HA way is, they always last about the same amount of time before they become bored with each other, and their "FUN" activity, and disappear. Since the 125 people that RESIDE in this system are familiar with each other, local has an entertaining and amusing atmosphere, UNTIL these "real EVE players" drop by.
They then reveal themselves with their lame attempts at smacktalk, which we find all kinds of amusing - or nauseating. What these "real EVE players" don't seem to realize is, they're not the first, nor will they be the last to drop by and regale us with their snappy banter which amounts to the same things the last group of "real EVE players" came by to spew into local.
So, even when the "real EVE players" drop by, they comprise less than 10% of the population of the system. When their digital nailbiting session ends, of course, the comprise 0% percent, and the 100% just keep on truckin' like they've done all along. SO, to others reading along here, when people start up with this "all" and "everybody" and "everything" jibber jabber...consider the source.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
141
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:01:00 -
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Aylleen wrote: Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.
I'm curious. How many times did you edit that last sentence?
Quote: There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.
Nothing's stopping you from attempting to enforce some "law and order" in EvE....except perhaps your cowardice.
Quote: A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?
Hey look! Surprise, surprise! A racist!
Ignorance becomes you. |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:02:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote: So, even when the "real EVE players" drop by, they comprise less than 10% of the population of the system. When their digital nailbiting session ends, of course, they comprise 0% percent, and the 100% just keep on truckin' like they've done all along. SO, to others reading along here, when people start up with this "all" and "everybody" and "everything" jibber jabber...consider the source.
And if you did the same count in a non-NPC 0.0 system they would be 100% of the population. You can prove just about anything with a small enough sample size. One system isn't even close to being statistically significant. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:08:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Aylleen wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:
seriosuly, so much butthurt, if you knowingly go into a abd part of town where people just got robbed and murdered,a dn you egt jumped in an ally, dont whine to the cops that they should work harder, you did soemthing that put yourself in danger. and i know for a FACT that if you give them a chance, any car dealer in the WORLD would trya dn screw you oevr for a few extra bucks, its called BUSINESS.
So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal. yes, ist the victims fault for KNOWINGLY GOING INTO A LOCATION EVERYONE KNOWS IS DANGEROUS. and like i said, if your too scared to fight for what you want, there is always the "law abiding citizens" way fo shelling out some fo your potential profit to hire some mercs to protect you, or are you just an evil eman greedy person who cant let go of a single isk?
"She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."
Hmmmmm food for thought. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:11:00 -
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Aylleen wrote:Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.
What is the problem in a society of immortals, who, no matter what happened, will always have at least that rookie ship and one trit ?
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:12:00 -
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every foul behavior normally bannable in other games too. This has long been the Mos Eisley of MMOs And thus we trive https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:13:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: "She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."
Hmmmmm food for thought.
Eve isn't real. Food for thought. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:19:00 -
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Aylleen wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:
seriosuly, so much butthurt, if you knowingly go into a abd part of town where people just got robbed and murdered,a dn you egt jumped in an ally, dont whine to the cops that they should work harder, you did soemthing that put yourself in danger. and i know for a FACT that if you give them a chance, any car dealer in the WORLD would trya dn screw you oevr for a few extra bucks, its called BUSINESS.
So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.
Get the frack out. Whoever loses in a chess, soccer or EvE is not a victim and whoever wins is not a criminal. It's a fukken GAME! |
Alara IonStorm
1886
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:19:00 -
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Aylleen wrote: So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.
Damn Straight.
It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.
Know why, because attacks on other players aren't crimes they are opposition game mechanics for an open PvP game.
Karim alRashid wrote:and one trit ?
That unit of Trit got me through some rough times. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:19:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."
Hmmmmm food for thought.
Eve isn't real. Food for thought.
Pointing out the flaw in the logic being used.
Its criminal logic.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:21:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Aylleen wrote: So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.
Damn Straight. It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships. Know why, because attacks on other players aren't crimes they are opposition game mechanics for an open PvP game. Karim alRashid wrote:and one trit ?
That unit of Trit got me through some rough times. " It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area."
So getting ganked in high sec?
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:23:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Aylleen wrote: So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.
Damn Straight. It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships. Know why, because attacks on other players aren't crimes they are opposition game mechanics for an open PvP game. Karim alRashid wrote:and one trit ?
That unit of Trit got me through some rough times. " It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area." So getting ganked in high sec?
All of Eve is a PVP area. You sign that contract every time you undock. Some areas are safer than others, but no areas are SAFE. The universe is a dangerous place, indicative of the riches waiting for those who brave those dangers. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Alara IonStorm
1886
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:24:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.
" It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area." So getting ganked in high sec? Though to be fair I think more base stats and fitting potential for Industrials, Barges and Exhumers would not be a bad thing. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.
" It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area." So getting ganked in high sec? Though to be fair I think more base stats and fitting potential for Industrials, Barges and Exhumers would not be a bad thing.
Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside? "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
415
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:27:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Everyone has exactly the same tools at their disposal, its what you do with them that counts.
HAH!
And I mean "HAH, what a piece of a shameless lie!"
The tools (mechanics) detemine what you can and you can't do.
And, FAI, you can't punish crime in EVE Online, which certainly explains why there are so many criminals around New Eden.
Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you. Want to punish him? The game provides no way to harm him as much as he hurt you, so your best chance is to identify him IRL, and then pay him a visit with some brass knuckles... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:27:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."
Hmmmmm food for thought.
Eve isn't real. Food for thought.
bullshit, EVE is real. Said so on the web page https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
141
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:28:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you.
Then you're an idiot and you probably deserved it since you likely thought you were the one doing the scamming.
All scams work the same way: the greed of the target. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
659
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:30:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.
" It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area." So getting ganked in high sec? Though to be fair I think more base stats and fitting potential for Industrials, Barges and Exhumers would not be a bad thing. Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?
That sounds interesting, some hull res stats just for industrial class ships?
Fluff could have it be that they are built to hold hazardous stuff and what not so have stronger internals. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:31:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you. Want to punish him? The game provides no way to harm him as much as he hurt you, so your best chance is to identify him IRL, and then pay him a visit with some brass knuckles...
seems to be what the Mittens supporters are saying with the "this isnt important" talk. Whats next podding IRL and collecting corpses?
Yeah, guess that wouldnt be a big deal either https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Alara IonStorm
1887
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:32:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote: Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?
I am thinking more along the line of 200+ Grid for LSE and 800mm Plates, Cruiser level HP for Mining Barges an Industrials which have Low Shield and Armor and 3-4 Mid Slots for Mining Barges.
General Boost more to tanking potential then then just base tank. If people still fly them around unfit after they have the grid, slots and base stats to support a real tank then well I don't know maybe a special server with crayons in the CQ or somethin. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:33:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And, FAI, you can't punish crime in EVE Online, which certainly explains why there are so many criminals around New Eden.
Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you
What crime? Scamming is not a crime. Scam him back.
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:34:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.
" It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area." So getting ganked in high sec? Though to be fair I think more base stats and fitting potential for Industrials, Barges and Exhumers would not be a bad thing. Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside? That sounds interesting, some hull res stats just for industrial class ships? Fluff could have it be that they are built to hold hazardous stuff and what not so have stronger internals.
That's be my thinking; the venting gases on mining barges leads me to think they've got forges and proessing facilities already inside to make transport easier, so they would need to be able to take the temperatures associated; some ores when crushed to powder are flammable, and in confined spaces could explode, so they'd need explosive resistance... Lots of reasons the hull on industrial ships could be built tougher. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:35:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you. Want to punish him? The game provides no way to harm him as much as he hurt you, so your best chance is to identify him IRL, and then pay him a visit with some brass knuckles... seems to be what the Mittens supporters are saying with the "this isnt important" talk. Whats next podding IRL and collecting corpses? Yeah, guess that wouldnt be a big deal either
Well, if we ARE podding IRL, that implies we have pods, which implies we're immortal, so actually, no, that wouldn't be nearly as bad as it seems. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:45:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Justa Altlol wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."
Hmmmmm food for thought.
Eve isn't real. Food for thought. Pointing out the flaw in the logic being used. Its criminal logic. Thinking things that happen in imaginary internet spaceship land are criminal. It's nutjob logic. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:47:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you. Want to punish him? The game provides no way to harm him as much as he hurt you, so your best chance is to identify him IRL, and then pay him a visit with some brass knuckles... seems to be what the Mittens supporters are saying with the "this isnt important" talk. Whats next podding IRL and collecting corpses? Yeah, guess that wouldnt be a big deal either Well, if we ARE podding IRL, that implies we have pods, which implies we're immortal, so actually, no, that wouldn't be nearly as bad as it seems.
Plus, we ARE collecting corpses.
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Alara IonStorm
1887
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:49:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Pointing out the flaw in the logic being used.
Its criminal logic.
Thinking things that happen in imaginary internet spaceship land are criminal. It's nutjob logic. It is talk like this that will get you dragged before the House Un-American Activities Committee I mean the CSM Video-Game Criminal Logic Committee.
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