I think you're catching on.

If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

Makes me wonder where all these Sociopaths I keep hearing about are?

Here in the forums, where else would they be?

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Makes me wonder where all these Sociopaths I keep hearing about are?

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future

There are at least ten thousand of them... You know, they managed to elect the CSM chair.

Exhumers destroyed in 2011: Hulk 27,806, Mackinaw 11,669, Skiff 654. Of the 40,129 total, 11,770 were lost in PVE

52,811 mining barges destroyed in 2011. Retriever 38,102, Covetor 11,537, Procurer 3,172. 22,981 of those were lost in PVE.

More sociopaths then just the 10,000 then using same standards? So the problem is larger than the media.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"EVE is Real", advertises CCP. Recently we found out that it's actually true. We saw that a supposedly normal, decent person cannot keep separate mindsets -one good, another bad. Forcefully the bad one will prevail, and illegal acts may be perpetrated. We also saw that not even CCP is able to make a judgement call based upon the laws of the country. CCP has been promoted as the ultimate court instance and law upholder. A 30-day ban is the ultimate punishment for an illegal act commited. A private apology and monetary compensation - made virtually using in-game tools - is substitute for a real-world hearing in front of a flesh-and-bones judge.

Everyone is lacking a moral compass, including EVE's sandbox.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

seriosuly, so much butthurt, if you knowingly go into a abd part of town where people just got robbed and murdered,a dn you egt jumped in an ally, dont whine to the cops that they should work harder, you did soemthing that put yourself in danger. and i know for a FACT that if you give them a chance, any car dealer in the WORLD would trya dn screw you oevr for a few extra bucks, its called BUSINESS.

So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.

That is 4800 Mining Craft lost to PvP a month in all sec statuses including Null Miners, Wormholes, War Targets and Can Flippers in a game of 400000.

Top tip: you do have them. People GÇö or, more accurately, the carebears in question GÇö just choose not to use them.

Which is 4697 larger than your reported figures which comprises 2.1% of the total picture based on your method of reckoning.

I voted for him before the incident. His platform on new content and ship balance was good.

A very small part of the CFC actually took part in the Interdiction.

In an ecomomy driven by War especially null War Goonswarm destroyed over 10000 ships this month.

Across all sec statuses here is the number of Non Combat Ships destroyed this month.

Mining barge 27
Exhumer 76
Industrial 60
Transport 40
Freighter 2
Jump Freighter 1
Cap. Industrial 0

Ten Thousand Sociopaths seemed to be to busy playing the game to make much of an impact on the 200000 High Sec Accounts. During the interdictions they manage on average 500 kills of Exhumers a month in an 8000 man corp. Expecting that a few of the pilots ganking are repeat offenders I am guessing that High Sec isn't being hit by the full force of these 10000. Almost like most of these people are average players flying around doing EVE Null Sec Stuff.

Perhaps media is blowing things slightly out of proportion.

have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life

Which just proves that the so called problem is very small and doesn't represent the game as much as media pretends it does.

I suspect that you sir are likely some sort of brigand attempting to trick me.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

Tomayto tomahto. I choose to see it as the only game whose population is still growing after 10 years, the opposite of how it goes in most MMOs. Besides, being a niche game isn't a bad thing.

brigands and highwaymen

all of you


scoundrels!

Tomayto tomahto. I choose to see it as the only game whose population is still growing after 10 years, the opposite of how it goes in most MMOs. Besides, being a niche game isn't a bad thing.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

So, even when the "real EVE players" drop by, they comprise less than 10% of the population of the system. When their digital nailbiting session ends, of course, they comprise 0% percent, and the 100% just keep on truckin' like they've done all along. SO, to others reading along here, when people start up with this "all" and "everybody" and "everything" jibber jabber...consider the source.

yes, ist the victims fault for KNOWINGLY GOING INTO A LOCATION EVERYONE KNOWS IS DANGEROUS.

and like i said, if your too scared to fight for what you want, there is always the "law abiding citizens" way fo shelling out some fo your potential profit to hire some mercs to protect you, or are you just an evil eman greedy person who cant let go of a single isk?

Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."

Hmmmmm food for thought.

So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.

So it's the victim's fault? Yours is the argument of a criminal.

and one trit ?

Eve isn't real. Food for thought.

Damn Straight.

It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area. It is their fault if they click accept on a contract without reading it. It is their fault if they transfer money with expectations of getting it back. It is their fault if they don't tank their ships.

Know why, because attacks on other players aren't crimes they are opposition game mechanics for an open PvP game.


That unit of Trit got me through some rough times.

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It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area."

So getting ganked in high sec?

"
It is their fault if they walk into a PvP area."

So getting ganked in high sec?

Though to be fair I think more base stats and fitting potential for Industrials, Barges and Exhumers would not be a bad thing.

Everyone has exactly the same tools at their disposal, its what you do with them that counts.

Eve isn't real. Food for thought.

Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you.

Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?

Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you. Want to punish him? The game provides no way to harm him as much as he hurt you, so your best chance is to identify him IRL, and then pay him a visit with some brass knuckles...

Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?

And, FAI, you can't punish crime in EVE Online, which certainly explains why there are so many criminals around New Eden.

Let's say that someone scams 80 billion ISK out of you

That sounds interesting, some hull res stats just for industrial class ships?

Fluff could have it be that they are built to hold hazardous stuff and what not so have stronger internals.

seems to be what the Mittens supporters are saying with the "this isnt important" talk.
Whats next podding IRL and collecting corpses?

Yeah, guess that wouldnt be a big deal either

Pointing out the flaw in the logic being used.

Its criminal logic.

Well, if we ARE podding IRL, that implies we have pods, which implies we're immortal, so actually, no, that wouldn't be nearly as bad as it seems.

Thinking things that happen in imaginary internet spaceship land are criminal. It's nutjob logic.

I am thinking more along the line of 200+ Grid for LSE and 800mm Plates, Cruiser level HP for Mining Barges an Industrials which have Low Shield and Armor and 3-4 Mid Slots for Mining Barges.

General Boost more to tanking potential then then just base tank. If people still fly them around unfit after they have the grid, slots and base stats to support a real tank then well I don't know maybe a special server with crayons in the CQ or somethin.

Thinking things that happen in imaginary internet spaceship land are criminal. It's nutjob logic.

Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?

Hulks can already tank 0.0 belt rats. That's good enough for a non-combat ship.

Plus, we ARE collecting corpses.

You can have criminal thought and mindset and logic while doing anything mate. Including playing a game.

Sorry this seems to be so far over your head.

I wonder how many law enforcement professionals there are playing EVE, I know of at least one that I was in corp with when I started the game. He wasn't a goody goody in game but was a police officer in RL.

I'm sure there are a few more out there who don't act like paragons of virtue in game. I like to think that there are enough of us that can separate actions in game to those out of game, the OP doesn't seem to be able to make that distinction.

There are at least ten thousand of them... You know, they managed to elect the CSM chair.

You can have criminal thought and mindset and logic while doing anything mate. Including playing a game.

Sorry this seems to be so far over your head.

I blew up a civilian station to complete a mission.

I drink alone and cry now.

300000 Dead. Why did I decide to Mission Run like a Monster. I just wanted to defend the Caldari State.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

I blew up a civilian station to complete a mission.

I drink alone and cry now.

300000 Dead. Why did I decide to Mission Run like a Monster. I just wanted to defend the Caldari State.

Lucky for us thinking isn't a crime, yet.

RougeOperator has a clean slate there, even if it is outlawed.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"EVE is Real", advertises CCP. Recently we found out that it's actually true. We saw that a supposedly normal, decent person cannot keep separate mindsets -one good, another bad. Forcefully the bad one will prevail, and illegal acts may be perpetrated. We also saw that not even CCP is able to make a judgement call based upon the laws of the country. CCP has been promoted as the ultimate court instance and law upholder. A 30-day ban is the ultimate punishment for an illegal act commited. A private apology and monetary compensation - made virtually using in-game tools - is substitute for a real-world hearing in front of a flesh-and-bones judge.

Everyone is lacking a moral compass, including EVE's sandbox.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

Eve is no sandbox. It's more a kitty litter box.

....90% of the people I've met in this game are normal folks, sure they like to collect tears.......

Normal folks don't collect tears.

Normal folks don't collect tears.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"EVE is Real", advertises CCP. Recently we found out that it's actually true. We saw that a supposedly normal, decent person cannot keep separate mindsets -one good, another bad. Forcefully the bad one will prevail, and illegal acts may be perpetrated. We also saw that not even CCP is able to make a judgement call based upon the laws of the country. CCP has been promoted as the ultimate court instance and law upholder. A 30-day ban is the ultimate punishment for an illegal act commited. A private apology and monetary compensation - made virtually using in-game tools - is substitute for a real-world hearing in front of a flesh-and-bones judge.

Everyone is lacking a moral compass, including EVE's sandbox.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

Did you ever have a sandbox when you were a kid? Cats **** in those all the time.

Don't like brigands?

1. Stay In Hisec
2. Don't haul anything worth ganking
3. Never leave the NPC corp (so as not to get wardecced)
4. Don't fly hulks
5. Grind all day, everyday in the hopes you can one day beat the system when you have 'enough' ISK to do what you want

Welcome to your second job.

^^ completely ignore this list, go and play something else, problem solved.

Everyone has exactly the same tools at their disposal, its what you do with them that counts.

I hear there's a tank game for this expressed purpose.

"Normal folks" like to play games that allow them to play fictional heroic or villainous characters, as well as read books or watch movies about them.

Abnormal folks don't understand this and have a hard time separating fantasy and imagination from reality.

"She was totally asking for it. Look how she was dressed."

Hmmmmm food for thought.