I am thinking more along the line of 200+ Grid for LSE and 800mm Plates, Cruiser level HP for Mining Barges an Industrials which have Low Shield and Armor and 3-4 Mid Slots for Mining Barges.

General Boost more to tanking potential then then just base tank. If people still fly them around unfit after they have the grid, slots and base stats to support a real tank then well I don't know maybe a special server with crayons in the CQ or somethin.

Thinking things that happen in imaginary internet spaceship land are criminal. It's nutjob logic.

Perhaps innate hull resists? To reflect the industrial work being done inside?

Hulks can already tank 0.0 belt rats. That's good enough for a non-combat ship.

Plus, we ARE collecting corpses.

You can have criminal thought and mindset and logic while doing anything mate. Including playing a game.

Sorry this seems to be so far over your head.

I wonder how many law enforcement professionals there are playing EVE, I know of at least one that I was in corp with when I started the game. He wasn't a goody goody in game but was a police officer in RL.

I'm sure there are a few more out there who don't act like paragons of virtue in game. I like to think that there are enough of us that can separate actions in game to those out of game, the OP doesn't seem to be able to make that distinction.

There are at least ten thousand of them... You know, they managed to elect the CSM chair.

You can have criminal thought and mindset and logic while doing anything mate. Including playing a game.

Sorry this seems to be so far over your head.

I blew up a civilian station to complete a mission.

I drink alone and cry now.

300000 Dead. Why did I decide to Mission Run like a Monster. I just wanted to defend the Caldari State.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

I blew up a civilian station to complete a mission.

I drink alone and cry now.

300000 Dead. Why did I decide to Mission Run like a Monster. I just wanted to defend the Caldari State.

Lucky for us thinking isn't a crime, yet.

RougeOperator has a clean slate there, even if it is outlawed.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"EVE is Real", advertises CCP. Recently we found out that it's actually true. We saw that a supposedly normal, decent person cannot keep separate mindsets -one good, another bad. Forcefully the bad one will prevail, and illegal acts may be perpetrated. We also saw that not even CCP is able to make a judgement call based upon the laws of the country. CCP has been promoted as the ultimate court instance and law upholder. A 30-day ban is the ultimate punishment for an illegal act commited. A private apology and monetary compensation - made virtually using in-game tools - is substitute for a real-world hearing in front of a flesh-and-bones judge.

Everyone is lacking a moral compass, including EVE's sandbox.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

Eve is no sandbox. It's more a kitty litter box.

....90% of the people I've met in this game are normal folks, sure they like to collect tears.......

Normal folks don't collect tears.

Normal folks don't collect tears.

The mechanics of the so-called EVE's sandbox has created a pervasive gaming culture where every foul behavior normally not condoned in the real world- short of breaking the EULA/TOS - is allowed, even encouraged. Griefing, ganking, bashing, lying, cheating, killing, mass-murdering. That's the brigand mindset that EVE has created.

"EVE is Real", advertises CCP. Recently we found out that it's actually true. We saw that a supposedly normal, decent person cannot keep separate mindsets -one good, another bad. Forcefully the bad one will prevail, and illegal acts may be perpetrated. We also saw that not even CCP is able to make a judgement call based upon the laws of the country. CCP has been promoted as the ultimate court instance and law upholder. A 30-day ban is the ultimate punishment for an illegal act commited. A private apology and monetary compensation - made virtually using in-game tools - is substitute for a real-world hearing in front of a flesh-and-bones judge.

Everyone is lacking a moral compass, including EVE's sandbox.

Yes, EVE is all about brigands. Those who excel in the art of being a bad criminal are glorified, promoted, and politically supported. This is an important factor to explain why EVE - after almost 10 years after launch - remains a niche game. It's a cult, a sect, a religion of a minority who mostly seek an outlet to nurture their bad side.

There is no place for those like me that would like to create a better future by engaging in law-abiding activities. If EVE were really a sandbox, we "carebears" would have tools at our disposal to seek, promote, and even enforce our way of life against the brigands pounding at our doors.

A brigand game - what would you expect from Icelanders descended from Vikings?

Did you ever have a sandbox when you were a kid? Cats **** in those all the time.

Don't like brigands?

1. Stay In Hisec
2. Don't haul anything worth ganking
3. Never leave the NPC corp (so as not to get wardecced)
4. Don't fly hulks
5. Grind all day, everyday in the hopes you can one day beat the system when you have 'enough' ISK to do what you want

Welcome to your second job.