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Jac Straw Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 14:57:00 - [1] Dear CCP, After all that has happened the past few days, I have seen many people say they are closing several accounts. This is not a whine It would be interesting to see, how many active accounts are actually people. From the posts in sveral threads related and unrelated to this weeks events, many people have stated they have several accounts. 3 years ago the server population was around 18,000 players and have more than doubled since then. But how many of these are actually real people Also how many active accounts are there? CCP claim to have 250,000+ subscribers but how many are active? I'd love to see some statistical data
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:05:00 - [2] Hehehe indeed I have 4 accounts for instance. I doubt they will publish the global statistics if marketing doesn't like it ;) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:13:00 - [3] I doubt they'll release another active subscriptions report. Not for a long time at least.
Jac Straw Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Siona Windweaver I doubt they'll release another active subscriptions report. Not for a long time at least. Has there been a release before? Linky?
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:33:00 - [5] In reality only 2000 real people play Eve. They are all crazy schizophrenics that even battle themselves out on the forums.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:44:00 - [6] For each of the people closing accounts now, I can almost bet there's one account being reactivated prematurely because it was in "black training mode", and several more characters getting consolidated into less accounts (ka-ching, 15+20 monetary units per consolidation out of black training). _ VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Jac Straw Also how many active accounts are there? CCP claim to have 250,000+ subscribers but how many are active? Those were allegedly the numbers of active accounts. As for subscribers, they seemed to hint at about 25% of people having more than 1 account. _ VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T For each of the people closing accounts now, I can almost bet there's one account being reactivated prematurely because it was in "black training mode", and several more characters getting consolidated into less accounts (ka-ching, 15+20 monetary units per consolidation out of black training). A very short-term "ka-ching", though. CCP may get a 1-off 20 euro ka-ching from me, at the expense of several 15 and an eventual 20. Sure hope that extra 5 now makes up for the loss of 60 over the next few months.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.15 15:48:00 - [9] Well, if they reverse the "ghost training" thing half a year from now, we'll know for sure, won't we ? _ VOTE YES TO SKILL QUEUE NOW !!! \|\| Mission reward revamp \|\| better nanofix
Leto Corleone	Posted - 2008.10.15 18:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Malcanis A very short-term "ka-ching", though. CCP may get a 1-off 20 euro ka-ching from me, at the expense of several 15 and an eventual 20. Sure hope that extra 5 now makes up for the loss of 60 over the next few months. You sir are a ******.

Renae Hashu Hashu Family Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.15 19:47:00 - [11] I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of information was released at Fanfest later this year.
Giote Rio	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:10:00 - [12] statistics that i heard of: 250K active accounts 40K trial accounts about 20-23% of players have more than 1 account
Stephannus Calimben the united	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:27:00 - [13] Seriously why is this such a huge deal? I have 3 accounts, one is inactive right now (forgot to set a skill training before he went inactive anyways). I mean it was nice, having skills training while i wasn't playing...but to be honest i forgot to take them off my credit card anyways. Having characters that train while you're not paying is like a cool bonus, I come back to my characters because well i LIKE my characters, and enjoy this game. If there's a bunch of ****s out there who only play this game because they can train a long skill every other month for free? Well when you quit for good can i have your stuff?

CCP RyanD Caldari C C P	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Jac Straw It would be interesting to see, how many active accounts are actually people. We don't know. Think about this: Let's say your name is Mike Smith. The way we handle accounts, you'd set up 3 different accounts under the name Mike Smith in order to have 3 active accounts. You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. Even if we did, maybe you set up your billing info with us the first year you played, you moved, and you set up the 2nd account with a different address. Now our DB guys try to figure out if you are 3 different Mike Smiths, or one with 3 accounts. Under various scenarios we might count you as 1 or more than 1 person. Further complexities happen when you have a person with 1 account they pay for via bill, and 1 account they pay for via ETC, etc. There are a lot of "educated" guesses. Some people think the number of alt accounts is 50%. Some people think it is less. But we really have no good way of conducting an accurate census. RyanD

Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:57:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Jac Straw It would be interesting to see, how many active accounts are actually people. We don't know. Think about this: Let's say your name is Mike Smith. The way we handle accounts, you'd set up 3 different accounts under the name Mike Smith in order to have 3 active accounts. You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. Even if we did, maybe you set up your billing info with us the first year you played, you moved, and you set up the 2nd account with a different address. Now our DB guys try to figure out if you are 3 different Mike Smiths, or one with 3 accounts. Under various scenarios we might count you as 1 or more than 1 person. Further complexities happen when you have a person with 1 account they pay for via bill, and 1 account they pay for via ETC, etc. There are a lot of "educated" guesses. Some people think the number of alt accounts is 50%. Some people think it is less. But we really have no good way of conducting an accurate census. RyanD Force a pop-up when you log in one day after a patch. "Is this an alt account? Yes ( ) No ( ) " There-ya go! sure somepeople might lie (but why, other than for the sake of lying, I wouldn't know) It would at least my more accurate than any sort of guess-work your DB team would do. __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:00:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Jac Straw It would be interesting to see, how many active accounts are actually people. We don't know. Think about this: Let's say your name is Mike Smith. The way we handle accounts, you'd set up 3 different accounts under the name Mike Smith in order to have 3 active accounts. You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. Even if we did, maybe you set up your billing info with us the first year you played, you moved, and you set up the 2nd account with a different address. Now our DB guys try to figure out if you are 3 different Mike Smiths, or one with 3 accounts. Under various scenarios we might count you as 1 or more than 1 person. Further complexities happen when you have a person with 1 account they pay for via bill, and 1 account they pay for via ETC, etc. There are a lot of "educated" guesses. Some people think the number of alt accounts is 50%. Some people think it is less. But we really have no good way of conducting an accurate census. RyanD At the core, does it even matter? CCP recieves over 250k account payments a month so its not like the company, and my extension the game, is hurting due to lack of proper funding. At the end of the day I log in and see in the largest server in the world 25-40 thousand players playing at the same time every time. I could really care less if 30, 40, 50, or 80% of those are actually alt accounts. Just the fact that I can interact with all of them is enough for me. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Mordrake Orbital Anvil Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:05:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Jac Straw It would be interesting to see, how many active accounts are actually people. We don't know. Think about this: Let's say your name is Mike Smith. The way we handle accounts, you'd set up 3 different accounts under the name Mike Smith in order to have 3 active accounts. You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. Even if we did, maybe you set up your billing info with us the first year you played, you moved, and you set up the 2nd account with a different address. Now our DB guys try to figure out if you are 3 different Mike Smiths, or one with 3 accounts. Under various scenarios we might count you as 1 or more than 1 person. Further complexities happen when you have a person with 1 account they pay for via bill, and 1 account they pay for via ETC, etc. There are a lot of "educated" guesses. Some people think the number of alt accounts is 50%. Some people think it is less. But we really have no good way of conducting an accurate census. RyanD This latest "Bug Fix" will give you enough hard data to narrow that estimation down a bit I think... "Arte et Marte"
Sunshine Grifter Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:08:00 - [18] Hard to figure out? how about 'How many UNIQ IPs per month log in' not so hard after all....
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:08:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP RyanD There are a lot of "educated" guesses. Some people think the number of alt accounts is 50%. Some people think it is less. But we really have no good way of conducting an accurate census. RyanD You have software means by which to associate accounts. CCP can track your accounts through IP, transactions, and a hardware key unique to that machine. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Last Wolf Force a pop-up when you log in one day after a patch. "Is this an alt account? Yes ( ) No ( ) " There-ya go! sure somepeople might lie (but why, other than for the sake of lying, I wouldn't know) It would at least be more accurate than any sort of guess-work your DB team would do. I know many a folk, myself included that hates pop-up surveys so much, that we always answer them with the opposite of the truth. I for one would be checking the [YES] box, with my one and only account. --

Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Sunshine Grifter Hard to figure out? how about 'How many UNIQ IPs per month log in' not so hard after all.... do you know how many IPs i'm assigned in a month? -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:33:00 - [22] Yeah and then we can make a new topic next month that CCP collects ip addresses and that you want more privacy and that ccp is going for world domination...
Abyssal Angel Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Furb Killer Yeah and then we can make a new topic next month that CCP collects ip addresses and that you want more privacy and that ccp is going for world domination... Hi Furbie. World Domination sounds right up EVE's alley. MOAR Factional Warfare.
Taedrin Gallente Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.15 21:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Sunshine Grifter Hard to figure out? how about 'How many UNIQ IPs per month log in' not so hard after all.... Because you don't know (yet)
NoNah	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Sunshine Grifter Hard to figure out? how about 'How many UNIQ IPs per month log in' not so hard after all.... Because you don't know (yet) And you never will... Parrots, commence! Postcount: 42684
Xailz Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:17:00 - [26] Edited by: Xailz on 15/10/2008 22:18:16 If you go to EVEMon you will find it says 1,580,483 Accounts I would guess this includes ALL accounts created including trial as for the ratio i would have no idea tbh and unique pilots.. i would have to say maybe 30k give or take Xailz
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:32:00 - [27] Edited by: Clair Bear on 15/10/2008 22:32:58 Originally by: Xailz as for the ratio i would have no idea tbh and unique pilots.. i would have to say maybe 30k give or take Xailz Give or take about an order of magnitude. 30k individuals would put us at about 10 accounts/person. That's not right -- I only knew of one guy like that. And there aren't that many farmers with 20+ accounts. I'd say 50-60% alts sounds about right. Two accounts is the norm for a vast majority of people I interact with. The occasional single-accounter is more than compensated by the sweatshops (personal or traditional) others are running. Problem is, these numbers may be correct one month but utterly useless the next if changes like GTC and 'bug fix' become commonplace.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:35:00 - [28] While the true figure is very hard to determine, there is a very easy way to put a lower bound on it - the Power of Two promotion. While not all alt accounts will have been opened via Power of Two, all accounts opened via Power of Two are, by definition, alt accounts. So looking at accounts opened via Power of Two would give a fairly solid lower limit. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.

CCP RyanD Caldari C C P	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Matthew While the true figure is very hard to determine, there is a very easy way to put a lower bound on it - the Power of Two promotion. Great promotion, small number of accounts. You'd think that most alt accounts would be P2 accounts, but they aren't. RyanD

Xailz Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Clair Bear Edited by: Clair Bear on 15/10/2008 22:32:58 Originally by: Xailz as for the ratio i would have no idea tbh and unique pilots.. i would have to say maybe 30k give or take Xailz Give or take about an order of magnitude. 30k individuals would put us at about 10 accounts/person. That's not right -- I only knew of one guy like that. And there aren't that many farmers with 20+ accounts. I'd say 50-60% alts sounds about right. Two accounts is the norm for a vast majority of people I interact with. The occasional single-accounter is more than compensated by the sweatshops (personal or traditional) others are running. Problem is, these numbers may be correct one month but utterly useless the next if changes like GTC and 'bug fix' become commonplace. Indeed good point i said without truely thinking but i wouldn't put it over your percentage tbh the majority of players seem to have second characters so makes it a good estimate And while these things don't bother me due to the factor of I'm too young to realize what money is worth i do think that such changes like the upcoming Ghost fix is gonna kill alot of the player base and its a terrible idea (not saying this just because I've used it i honestly think that) (love the name btw ^-^) Xailz



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