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Xailz Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:53:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Matthew While the true figure is very hard to determine, there is a very easy way to put a lower bound on it - the Power of Two promotion. Great promotion, small number of accounts. You'd think that most alt accounts would be P2 accounts, but they aren't. RyanD Thats because alot of people cant afford to be on credit cards or just plainly realize that they are bad and can get you in alot of debt that you will quickly be unable to get out of if you are not careful hence why the majority pay by ETC if you cant afford it thats just it, you cant afford it Xailz
Sensor Echo Temple of the Blue Fish	Posted - 2008.10.15 22:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Shard Merchant CCP can track your accounts through IP, transactions, and a hardware key unique to that machine. Not really - what about people on large networks (think uni and Gulp work) with a shared IP? and as for hardware keys, yes, there are several that the eve client has access to, but what about several people who use the same machine (brothers, or housemates etc) What about people who have several PCs and access EVE from different ones depending on their circumstance? (e.g big honking pc for fleet fights, laptop for lazing in the garden sorting market orders out) ------------------------------------ The EvE online general discussion forum - you will never find a more wretched hive of s****and villainy
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.15 23:12:00 - [33] Originally by: Xailz Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Matthew While the true figure is very hard to determine, there is a very easy way to put a lower bound on it - the Power of Two promotion. Great promotion, small number of accounts. You'd think that most alt accounts would be P2 accounts, but they aren't. RyanD Thats because alot of people cant afford to be on credit cards or just plainly realize that they are bad and can get you in alot of debt that you will quickly be unable to get out of if you are not careful hence why the majority pay by ETC if you cant afford it thats just it, you cant afford it Xailz You would think that they would go to the local corner store and get one of those loadable visa/mc debit cards. No interest and you can only spend as much as you put on it. Plus in my experience so far its accepted without any of those annoying 'transaction declined' hangups due to some arcane overseas transaction restriction. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.10.15 23:36:00 - [34] Unique IPs?
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.10.15 23:53:00 - [35] Since CCP is watching this thread I have a job for your DB guys, that will maybe put the issue to rest (if the answer is already in the main thread I apologize, didnt feel like going through 128 pages of ragepost). Classify accounts into three groups, and post the numbers: 1. Active accounts - Currently subscribed, or was terminated within the last month. 2. Semi-inactive accounts - Accounts that, over the last 6 months, had less than 3 months subscription. 3. Dead accounts - Accounts that have been inactive for longer than 6 months. A lot of the whine, aside from the people farming characters for isk, seems to be that CCP is exaggerating the proportion of semi-inactive accounts to everyone else. Numbers might clarify this. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Sarin Adler Caldari Dark Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.16 00:22:00 - [36] Two words: MAC Address ---
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.16 00:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Sarin Adler Two words: MAC Address Is there a law in your country that forces you to own and operate a maximum of 1 computer? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
NoNah	Posted - 2008.10.16 00:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Sarin Adler Two words: MAC Address Is there a law in your country that forces you to own and operate a maximum of 1 computer? Is there a law in your country that forbids Internet CafTs, shared computers and multiple nics, nats or even changing your own macs? Give up trying to prove who's behind the computer unless you in some way ask or survey the users and trust them. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 784377
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 02:10:00 - [39] I didn't say there weren't ways to avoid being tracked by CCP. I was saying they should have a pretty decent picture of how many EVE accounts there are in one single "household" _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.16 02:23:00 - [40] The only way to be absolutely sure would be if CCP gave you the option to directly tie accounts together, AND everyone used it when they had multiple accounts. This way, those 3 accounts can count as ONE. They could even ask you to state, but not require you to, how many users will be using said accounts. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Gedrick frogue Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.16 02:57:00 - [41] Edited by: Gedrick frogue on 16/10/2008 02:58:11 At first glance this would seem to be CCP shooting themselves in the foot (insert wepon type here) with killing ghost training. From an income pov it would look like yes, i.e. somebody's account goes inactive and stops training and also from the player pov it looks like a complete pain in the backside too. But stop and think about it if your ghost training the only time you getting any benifit if if you have set a char training for that uber L5 skill thats going to take 60 days to train for. Is this a benifit? are you really NOT going to be using this char to gain isk and pew pew ppl? Also How the heck are you going to get your char to a high enough level to train for those lovly high end 5's? You can't swap skills while the account is inactive can you so you have to get the gtc's out and PAY money. So from an income pov it's not a downer for CCP, so who has got the downer from killing this awesome ghost training that is annoying everyone so much? The only ppl that this DOES effect are ppl who say take a break from eve (burnout anybody?) or mayby you have just got back from your holidays and forgotten to extend your subscription, so thanks CCP for losing me a week of training time. So yup CCP isn't going to lose any real income (thanks for the GTC nerf btw) but has upped it's aggro factor to their customers and for those who DO think that ghost training is a wonderfull way of training a char, just go and try doing it. You won't get those uber skills and faster and you will STILL have to pay your sub's. Anyhoo Fly safe guys Gedrick Frogue
Zareph Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.26 23:37:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP RyanD Think about this: Let's say your name is Mike Smith. The way we handle accounts, you'd set up 3 different accounts under the name Mike Smith in order to have 3 active accounts. You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. Even if we did, maybe you set up your billing info with us the first year you played, you moved, and you set up the 2nd account with a different address. RyanD You know, if you offered an account linking option where you gave a slight discount for people with multiple accounts I'd bet you'd figure it out really, really fast.
Mister Zero Synergy Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.26 23:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Jac Straw Dear CCP, After all that has happened the past few days... What's happened? Sorry, I just reactivated (yeah I know) what did I miss?
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Alex Salas on 27/10/2008 01:12:54 I like the discount idea. Perhaps checks can be placed on CCP's end to verify alt accounts.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:09:00 - [45] Solution to close the accuraccy to about 98% is to do a query on account IDs and ip addresses.
Information Broker	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:30:32 Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:29:48 I thought we all had 36 Accounts and there was only a few hundred of us who really played and we each had an alt in Bob, Goonies, AAA, Etc.. and fought each other all day long for sick pleasure?
Daroek Ko'thon Amarr 0rizen	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Information Broker Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:30:32 Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:29:48 I thought we all had 36 Accounts and there was only a few hundred of us who really played and we each had an alt in Bob, Goonies, AAA, Etc.. and fought each other all day long for sick pleasure? Wow, he needs immediate help from not one, but 36 professionals. One for each personality...
Information Broker	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:40:00 - [48] eh, do something you like is how I see it.. But he must..really...really....really.....really... like WoW
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.27 01:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Information Broker Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:30:32 Edited by: Information Broker on 27/10/2008 01:29:48 I thought we all had 36 Accounts and there was only a few hundred of us who really played and we each had an alt in Bob, Goonies, AAA, Etc.. and fought each other all day long for sick pleasure? now that is a gaming war-room ___ EVE lies...rotating FTL!!! http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=99 On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranqu
Nolt Starfury	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:03:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Matthew While the true figure is very hard to determine, there is a very easy way to put a lower bound on it - the Power of Two promotion. Great promotion, small number of accounts. You'd think that most alt accounts would be P2 accounts, but they aren't. RyanD I think the reason they're not all P2 accounts is because P2 only works for the creation of a NEW account. So if somoene already has 2 accounts, they have to either have 3 accounts or close one of their 2 accounts to get one cheaper... and at some point that becomes pointless.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:09:00 - [51] Do you guys have access to the number of "active" accounts that are pending cancellation? Like these: Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 12. November 2008 Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 23. November 2008 Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 23. March 2009 -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Nolo Starscream	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Liang Nuren Do you guys have access to the number of "active" accounts that are pending cancellation? Like these: Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 12. November 2008 Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 23. November 2008 Subscription successfully canceled: Expires: 23. March 2009 -Liang Can I have your stuff? Seriously, if you're quitting, I could use all the hand-me-down's I can get :)
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Nolo Starscream Can I have your stuff? Seriously, if you're quitting, I could use all the hand-me-down's I can get :) No. I'm still pondering some kind of cool give away or something ... maybe post a riddle and give items and finally characters to those that answer successfully? Maybe post difficult/funny math/CS problems and see who has a sharp mind? Havne't decided - but I've got a bit of time left. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Nolo Starscream	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Nolo Starscream Can I have your stuff? Seriously, if you're quitting, I could use all the hand-me-down's I can get :) No. I'm still pondering some kind of cool give away or something ... maybe post a riddle and give items and finally characters to those that answer successfully? Maybe post difficult/funny math/CS problems and see who has a sharp mind? Havne't decided - but I've got a bit of time left. :) -Liang I was mostly joking. That's the most common response when someone says they're quitting. I look forward to neat giveaway ideas. I have some experience in encryption and would gladly assist in setting up some problems in that area (from easy to very hard depending on what you want).
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.27 02:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Nolo Starscream I was mostly joking. That's the most common response when someone says they're quitting. I look forward to neat giveaway ideas. I have some experience in encryption and would gladly assist in setting up some problems in that area (from easy to very hard depending on what you want). Ooo, that sounds fun. I think I can manage it mostly myself. ;-) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
UnDeRBaLaNcE The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.27 04:31:00 - [56] I have 4 active and 3 more active training up characters for merging with the other 4 when they arech 5 mil sp's for production. if that helps you and you wont know because I use a deferent ways to pay each and use deferent emails.
UnDeRBaLaNcE The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.27 04:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Sarin Adler Two words: MAC Address 2 words for you sir, multiple computers/routers and not to mention we play on various internet connections. I can say I have used 7 deferent PC's for deferent accounts depending where I am at.
Scimon Tinker	Posted - 2008.10.27 07:44:00 - [58] I usually view the number of "active" accounts as the peak number of accounts actually logged in. "active" accounts from a CCP perspective is the number of accounts not on trial and are being subscribed to "active" members of a corp/alliance are generally considered those who are logged in (or at least on a regular basis)
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2008.10.27 08:22:00 - [59] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.10.27 08:50:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP RyanD ..You may be paying via ETC, so we would not necessarily have address information for you. One thing I learned from you guys is that NEVER pay with CC as you guys do cross-reference of CC used and do naughty stuff to accounts that has that CC at SOME point been used. Using ETC is much more secure way. Sadly, you cannot delete CC info from CCP's database to prevent this kind of abuse. Is it even legal?

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