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Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:09:00 - [1] hi - i'm running L4's to finance other aspects of the game and i run them with two, sometimes three accounts (a Maelstrom, a Raven and sometimes a repping/salvaging Domi) and as boring as it is, it's a good source of income. however, i keep reading how people are doing L4's in less than an hour and some people claim to be making 25 million an hour upwards and i was wondering how this is done. with some missions it makes sense, but the missions where i get the best return are the "must be completed in 6 hour" missions (like Angel Extravaganza or Buzz Kill) but even with 3 accounts these can take me up to 3 hours to solo, just because of the sheer number of targets, and i'm wondering what it is that i'm doing wrong? all 3 BS's have really good tanks (not unbreakable, but pretty darn close) and i haven't lost a ship in as long as i can remember, i just don't understand how people are doing these missions SO much quicker than me?
Dracthera	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:15:00 - [2] Do you have enough DPS on your three ships, or have you sacrificed DPS to have three strong tanks (you only need one strong tank)? Are you managing your targets correctly? Which targets take you the longest to kill? etc. etc. It's difficult to answer your question without knowing exactly how you run your missions, what your ship setups are, what your skills are. I can tell you that I finish AE (without the bonus room) solo in my Drake in under 2 hours, without moving from my warp-in points.
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:23:00 - [3] You need to ditch some of the tank for some gank. In my single raven I can do AE in about 45 minutes, and Buzz Kill maybe an hour or so. I only make about 15m an hour but that is just because I don't actually go and salvage afterwards.
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Jiss Katcher on 16/10/2008 14:33:49 ok, so - Maelstrom (primary target) 6 x 1400mm howizter II 2 x malkuth heavy 3 x cap rechager II 1 x 100mn AB II 1 x F-90 position sensor 1 x tracking computer II 2 x large armour rep II 1 x N-type kinetic 1 x N-type explosive 1 x DC II Raven (warps in 2nd and sits at warp popping targets) 4 x XT900 cruise 2 x arbalest cruise 1 x salvager 1 x tractor 2 x invulnerability field II 1 x cap recharger II 2 x Shield boost amp I 1 x X-Large Neutron Saturation injector I 4 x cap flux coil II 1 x ballistic control system Domi (optional, depending on mission & lag, mostly remote reps the maelstrom if needed and sets drones on 'guard' - seems to stop them being targeted) 2 x drone link augmentor 1 x small tractor 1 x salvager 2 x large 'arup' 4 x cap recharger II 1 x 100mn AB II 1 x N-type Kinetic hardner 1 x N-type Explosive 1 x N-type Thermic 2 x large armour rep II 1 x 1600mm rolled tungsten 1 x DC II thanks for your help, guys :)
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Poreuomai on 16/10/2008 16:03:21 The Mael has a big shield tanking bonus, why are you armour tanking? If you shield tank then you could put damage mods in the low slots.
1200 baud	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:33:00 - [6] Edited by: 1200 baud on 16/10/2008 17:34:04 Originally by: Jiss Katcher Edited by: Jiss Katcher on 16/10/2008 14:33:49 ok, so - Maelstrom (primary target) 6 x 1400mm howizter II 2 x malkuth heavy 3 x cap rechager II 1 x 100mn AB II 1 x F-90 position sensor 1 x tracking computer II 2 x large armour rep II 1 x N-type kinetic 1 x N-type explosive 1 x DC II thanks for your help, guys :) Wow, crazy fit. I solo in: 8x1400 LSE, SBA, 2specific hardner, 2 Tracking comp (Tracking Script) PDS, 4Gyro All T2 or better. You need to watch agro, stay aligned just in case etc. but it really goes through missions quickly. Its much more of a damage tank than a true tank, but there is more than enough tank for most situations. The 2 gyro's are important as they allow you to hit better, more often, than you would normally. This in turn greatly increase your true DPS, as opposed to theoretical DPS. Wrecking shots with 4 gyro are awesome, some hits are for over 2000 damage. I'd use the Raven as primary tank, and this as primary gank, but its up to you..:) Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.16 17:43:00 - [7] ok, so i'm obviously being a nub, i just prefer armour to shield tanking - and sorry for a dumb follow-up, but what do these acronyms mean? LSE, SBA
Cu3ball Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:20:00 - [8] LSE - Large Shield Extender SBA - Shield Boost Amp. If your Raven is not primary, lose some of your tank (replace the XL shield boaster with a Large) for my damage. If you take a smaller shield boaster, you can swap some of your lower slots for BCU's(ballistic control units). This should make a big difference in DPS. Also are you using any drones from your Raven? 5 - T1 medium drones will add around 100 DPS, which will take down the smaller ships a lot faster. Another option is to use a Drake instead of your Raven, it rips thru the smaller targets very quickly. Currently I use a Raven as my main tank and on a second account a heavy missile Drake. I have not timed the missions but most I run in about 30-60 minutes. Hope that helps Fly safe or hit hard
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Cu3ball LSE - Large Shield Extender SBA - Shield Boost Amp. If your Raven is not primary, lose some of your tank (replace the XL shield boaster with a Large) for my damage. If you take a smaller shield boaster, you can swap some of your lower slots for BCU's(ballistic control units). This should make a big difference in DPS. Also are you using any drones from your Raven? 5 - T1 medium drones will add around 100 DPS, which will take down the smaller ships a lot faster. Another option is to use a Drake instead of your Raven, it rips thru the smaller targets very quickly. Currently I use a Raven as my main tank and on a second account a heavy missile Drake. I have not timed the missions but most I run in about 30-60 minutes. Hope that helps thanks for the advice. and yes, i'm using 4 x T1's (2 heavy & 2 medium) until i can get a 5th drone out. is the Drake really strong enough to survive as a primary in an L4 mission? just refitted my maelstrom as per the advice here, and on battleclinic, am itching to give a mission a go :)
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.10.16 18:52:00 - [10] The Drake can easily tank any level 4 mission with the right setup. There is no need to perma run that Raven setup, only turn the booster on when you take damage so you can switch out some of those cap modules for some more Ballistic Control Systems.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.16 19:39:00 - [11] 2 Golems on L4 to clear and salvage in 20 mins Both use cruise missiles, and T2 med drones. I only run a few missions back to back, taking breaks as I get bored; net 100 million in 2-3 hours. Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:45:00 - [12] you guys have changed my game - thank you :)
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Poreuomai on 17/10/2008 09:15:34 This was my mission running Maelstrom when I was still in hi-sec: 5x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 3x Cruise Missile Launcher I 1x 100MN Afterburner II 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Shield Booster Amplifier 3x Shield Hardner II 3x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Gyrostab II 1x Tracking enhancer II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I Hardeners were swapped around depending on opponent. For some missions I would fit a Damage Control II instead of the Gyrostab.
RazorRaven	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:59:00 - [14] Well, it depends on given missions, but I can solo earn 18 mil in bounty and prize per hour in dominix. I have maxed drone skills and armor tank. Salvage and loot can give you another 50%+. My favorite mission is AoE, large bounty, nice loot and it is done in 45 minutes. Dominix and drones are universal for missions and half of them can be done afk.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.10.17 15:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 17/10/2008 09:15:34 This was my mission running Maelstrom when I was still in hi-sec: 5x 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 3x Cruise Missile Launcher I 1x 100MN Afterburner II 1x Large Shield Booster II 1x Shield Booster Amplifier 3x Shield Hardner II 3x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Gyrostab II 1x Tracking enhancer II 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I Hardeners were swapped around depending on opponent. For some missions I would fit a Damage Control II instead of the Gyrostab. Since the Gyrostabilizers and tracking enhancer don't help the cruise missiles one bit, drop the cruise missiles and fit 3 more artillery. And more gyrostabilizers... ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. Selling Gallente, Minmatar and SoE faction goodies (including Virtue implants). I am looking for a good 0.0 corp/alliance. Convo if interested.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.10.17 16:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Jiss Katcher Originally by: Cu3ball LSE - Large Shield Extender SBA - Shield Boost Amp. If your Raven is not primary, lose some of your tank (replace the XL shield boaster with a Large) for my damage. If you take a smaller shield boaster, you can swap some of your lower slots for BCU's(ballistic control units). This should make a big difference in DPS. Also are you using any drones from your Raven? 5 - T1 medium drones will add around 100 DPS, which will take down the smaller ships a lot faster. Another option is to use a Drake instead of your Raven, it rips thru the smaller targets very quickly. Currently I use a Raven as my main tank and on a second account a heavy missile Drake. I have not timed the missions but most I run in about 30-60 minutes. Hope that helps thanks for the advice. and yes, i'm using 4 x T1's (2 heavy & 2 medium) until i can get a 5th drone out. is the Drake really strong enough to survive as a primary in an L4 mission? just refitted my maelstrom as per the advice here, and on battleclinic, am itching to give a mission a go :)
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.10.17 16:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Jiss Katcher Originally by: Cu3ball LSE - Large Shield Extender SBA - Shield Boost Amp. If your Raven is not primary, lose some of your tank (replace the XL shield boaster with a Large) for my damage. If you take a smaller shield boaster, you can swap some of your lower slots for BCU's(ballistic control units). This should make a big difference in DPS. Also are you using any drones from your Raven? 5 - T1 medium drones will add around 100 DPS, which will take down the smaller ships a lot faster. Another option is to use a Drake instead of your Raven, it rips thru the smaller targets very quickly. Currently I use a Raven as my main tank and on a second account a heavy missile Drake. I have not timed the missions but most I run in about 30-60 minutes. Hope that helps thanks for the advice. and yes, i'm using 4 x T1's (2 heavy & 2 medium) until i can get a 5th drone out. is the Drake really strong enough to survive as a primary in an L4 mission? just refitted my maelstrom as per the advice here, and on battleclinic, am itching to give a mission a go :) The tank on a passive fitted Drake is so strong it can survive as primary even in the AE bonus room. It has probably the best small ship tank in the game not exempting the command ships. I have tanked the full agro of the AE bonus room as primary whilst my corp mates assisted with the killing.
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.17 17:03:00 - [18] what do you recommend as a setup for a Drake? I'm very curious to at least try this out but can't see how a Drake would survive after the awesome advice i got here i actually switched my playstyle - i made the Domi into the tank of the bunch, sent that in to draw aggro and then my Maelstrom and Raven mopped up. i did the 1st three rooms for AE in about an hour (a record for me) and then it took me about an hour to do the last room because i screwed up and drew too much aggro and had to keep warping out and in again - i then did 'unauthorized presence' in about 25 minutes - looking forward to trying another '6-hour' mission tonight still tinkering with my setups but again, thanks to everyone who helped me recognize my fitting follies.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:03:00 - [19] Most L4s take me less than 20 minutes in my NH or CNR. There's only a couple (the Extravaganzas and WC) which take longer. They take an hour in the CNR and 1hr15 in the NH. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Jiss Katcher	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Andrue Most L4s take me less than 20 minutes in my NH or CNR. There's only a couple (the Extravaganzas and WC) which take longer. They take an hour in the CNR and 1hr15 in the NH. two questions - 1. what is it about the CNR that makes it so damn good at mission running like this? is it the resists or something? 2. what's an NH? Navy...?
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.17 18:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Jiss Katcher two questions - 1. what is it about the CNR that makes it so damn good at mission running like this? is it the resists or something? 2. what's an NH? Navy...? 1. CNR fits 7 launchers, the raven only 6; I find that the CNR is good but I don't like all the ammo that I use so I have switched to the Golem (T2 raven). 2. NH = Nighthawk, its the commandship for Caldari. Its like the Drake but has 6 launchers with a bonus to damage so it hits harder plus as the T2 tank which can be made super strong. The Nighthawk is used in level 5's because of the towers that neutralize cap on ships, which the nighthawk can do without cap and still hold its tank. Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.10.17 19:28:00 - [22] Account 1: Raven Account 2: Dominix Fit Raven for with Cruise Missile Launchers and 2 tractor beams in the highs. Fit mid slots with Large Shield booster, Shield Boost Amp, 3x Hardeners, and an Afterburner. Lows will be along the lines of 3x Ballistic Control Units and 2x Capacitor Flux Coils. Rigs 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I's. Medium Drones Fit Dominix with 3x Salvagers, a Large Shield Transfer Array, Drone Link Augmentor, and a Civilian Gun (for agro). Mids should be an Afterburner, drone upgrade of your choice (navigation computer or omnidirection tracking) and 3x Cap Rechargers. Lows, 2x Large Armor Reps, 4x Hardeners, and a Cap Power Relay. Rigs 3x Capacitor Control Circuits I's. Drones: Flight of Heavies, flight of Sentries, mediums and lights to flavor. The Domi should serve as the primary tank in most situations, with the Raven having a strong enough tank to handle accidental/random aggression from new waves. The Raven is the DPS along with the domi's drones. Have the Dominix account assign the drones to assist the Raven. Then, whatever your raven shoots at, the Domi's drones will attack too. Basically, you get aggression with the Dominix, activate tank, launch and assign drones, then switch over the raven and clean house. The Domi has the shield x-fer array for just incase you screw things up and the raven needs to tank extra hard. As you slaughter the poor NPC pirates, tractor in what wrecks you can and salvage away. -- Don't harsh my mellow
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.10.17 22:00:00 - [23] For most missions, my best combo is a cruise CNR + Dominix w/ tech II sentry drones. I draw full room aggro with the Dominix, then set the CNR's drones to guard the Dominix. This means they attack anything that is aggroed against the Dominix. Then I focus fire with the Dominix's rails and the CNR's cruise missiles. I can run through a Blockade, Gone Berserk or Assault so fast it's almost humorous. I use a Nighthawk instead of the CNR in missions with few BSs and tons of small stuff. Next upgrade will be a torp Golem to take out the missions with tons of BSs even faster. All my ships have a decent permarunning tank, so that I can switch back and forth between multiple accounts and dual account two missions at once (at the moment I am running CNR + Domi on one computer and Typhoon + Armageddon on another). Would be even easier if I just got 4x Dominixes, but I like being able to fly different ships. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. Selling Gallente, Minmatar and SoE faction goodies (including Virtue implants). I am looking for a good 0.0 corp/alliance. Convo if interested.
Dracthera	Posted - 2008.10.18 00:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Jiss Katcher what do you recommend as a setup for a Drake? I'm very curious to at least try this out but can't see how a Drake would survive This is my setup I currently use to solo L4s: [Drake, My Drake] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hammerhead I x2 Hobgoblin I x1 This happens to be my Guristas shield setup, and I obviously switch shield mods around to fit the mission. There are many, many other setups on battleclinic.com you can and should look through. With this setup, most of the missions are pretty boring, especially because my DPS is only about 250 right now.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:11:00 - [25] Originally by: FT Diomedes Since the Gyrostabilizers and tracking enhancer don't help the cruise missiles one bit, drop the cruise missiles and fit 3 more artillery. And more gyrostabilizers... There is a reason why I didn't just fit 3 extra arties ... but that is long gone history. The above was simply what I had, granted it is not the best possible fit for, say, a fully trained maxed out character.
Divad Ginleek Gallente Gateway Industries House of Mercury	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:57:00 - [26] I run lvl4's with a raven and an alt with a harbinger (soon to be apoc). the combo rips through things fast, as the harby with heavy pulse can decimate (if i catch them at optimal) most frigs/destroyer sized ships in 1-2 volleys, with time to spare to AB over to the BSes and melt them with multifreq about as fast as my ravens cruise missiles can. the 10 drones really help as well. cut my lvl4 time in half compared to solo raven. still got a lot of work to do on both characters though. DPS is the name of the game, but using multiple accounts is a bit taxing, so i would recommend overtanking your primary BS so you dont have to keep your attention on it 100% of the time. or use an auto targeting mod on your secondary DPS ships so you can just mash F keys on the other accounts. ::insert witty signature here::
1200 baud	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:25:00 - [27] Jiss, So what are you now doing? and how is it working for you? Dance like it hurts, Love like you need money, Work when people are watching. - Scott Adams
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.20 22:48:00 - [28] heh 1 lar II + 4 hardeners on a domi works quite well. I just massively over aggroed on the last room of guristas extra, and was thinking oh ****, and came out never going below 90% armor. (a little aggro ended up on the drones/raven) oh and given that I'm a cheap ass the domi had no rigs, 2 cap power relays and a cap recharger (with cap skills 5/5 and repair systems 5) the ship is just about cap stable, have to pulse the rep like 2% of the time. if I rigged it keeping that setup I would put 2 aux nano pumps and a sentry damage augmenter on. (also have remote armor/sheild transfers, and a tech2 tachyon for aggro, cant use large rails ) my raven fit has 4 bcus and a perma tank with a large shield booster (cap flux II, cap recharger II, and 3 ccc I's) paladin goes 1 rep, 3 hardeners, 3 heatsink, and tachyons. I usually fly a paladin/raven, but today have been using the domi/raven mainly for the reason of I can fly a new ship, trained t2 sentries, before I touched gallente battleship I can do guri extra in an hour, the assault in a bit under an hour, worlds collide gur/serp in under an hour (killing everything in the first room, killing everything in the serp side, and killing everything in the final room, not touching the guristas room), sanshas pirate invasion takes me under 20 mins. if you want to armor tank it might be worth it to switch from a armor tanked malestrom to a typhoon, and use cruise missiles, sentry drones, and guns or utility slots. 10 sentries between the phoon and domi, with a remote armor rep and shield rep each should do nice things.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.21 02:29:00 - [29] You + Friends = Quick L4's :) Semper Fi
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.21 02:43:00 - [30] To do missions quickly solo as a Not Caldari, I run a rail+sentry Dominix with as little tank as possible to let me do a lot more DPS ... The biggest step in running a mission quickly is to bring no more than the precise required amount of tank (or, in a multiple-gangmate situation, one primary tank) and devoting the rest of your resources to ganking through the mission as quickly as possible. ----

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