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UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:17:00 - [1] This is an awesome game, but one thing I've been really wishing it had, is the option to go into first person view [perhaps middle mouse zoom in would take you into first person if you so wish] and first person control in non Battle situations. I understand the control system during battles with the mouse clicks, but the mouse click idea is really annoying when you just want to fly around inside a system. It would be much more enjoyable if both were incorporated, so that you could fly around with the keyboard OR use the mouse if you wish. I know for me, and my clan mates [we've talked about this] this would make Eve Online a far more enjoyable experience, and give everyone an opportunity to go into a more realistic space view. Of course you could scroll back out to the 3rd person view if you are in a battle or whatever.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:17:00 - [2] This is an awesome game, but one thing I've been really wishing it had, is the option to go into first person view [perhaps middle mouse zoom in would take you into first person if you so wish] and first person control in non Battle situations. I understand the control system during battles with the mouse clicks, but the mouse click idea is really annoying when you just want to fly around inside a system. It would be much more enjoyable if both were incorporated, so that you could fly around with the keyboard OR use the mouse if you wish. I know for me, and my clan mates [we've talked about this] this would make Eve Online a far more enjoyable experience, and give everyone an opportunity to go into a more realistic space view. Of course you could scroll back out to the 3rd person view if you are in a battle or whatever.
Teddeebear044	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:40:00 - [3] I also think that would be a great idea, at least to have the option to be able to do that.
SN1P3R001	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:43:00 - [4] Yeah, I totally agree. First person would add another depth to the game, and it would attract a wider audience (say, more of the FPS people). Also, I agree with wolfcry on the fact that point and click (though it is an RPG, so it's understandable) can get a bit tedious at times. Okay, tedious a lot.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:52:00 - [5] I want to reiterate, that my idea is not to make it a FPS only, just to give it the OPTION to move around with the keyboard and zoom into a first person view from third person. It wouldn't even make a difference for those players who enjoy third person view and moving with the mouse because they wouldn't even notice the difference unless they intentionally went into first person view, and used the keyboard to move around. So this would be a win win situation, as it would cater to both genres, and it wouldn't bother those who enjoy the way it is now.
Matsumita	Posted - 2008.10.16 21:59:00 - [6] I dont have much of a opinion on the matter but the idea sounds okay-ish, As previously stated its not to make it a FPS or to be able to fly AU's through space via first person but to move around a small area like at a asteroid belt etc.
HiMakaMaka	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:01:00 - [7] Love the idea... It would give the game that little extra touch.
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:07:00 - [8] everybody would love that however the way weapons work, your ship can spin and with the lack of coordinated formations its a completly pointless feature perhaps in 3-5 years if eve is still there but i wouldnt hold my breath even if it wher the case
pxsghost	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:10:00 - [9] I think that the only reason one would really use the first person free controll would be in a frigate or some other kind of quick fighter. I've noticed that the controlls feel like they're built for larger ships. were speed isn't as much of a factor.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:10:00 - [10] Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 16/10/2008 22:11:35 Alright, aside from the moving around with the keyboard I would at least like to see first person view. I KNOW that wouldn't be impossible, since you can zoom out to see the entire galexy and you can almost zoom in to first person, but it stops short. It would be easy to impliment zooming in the rest of the way so you can choose not to see your ship all day long like a big zit you can't get rid of. Besides, I was more talking about being able to use the keyboard to move around inside systems, not necessarily for battle.
HiMakaMaka	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:13:00 - [11] Originally by: UAFWolfcry Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 16/10/2008 22:11:35 Alright, aside from the moving around with the keyboard I would at least like to see first person view. I KNOW that wouldn't be impossible, since you can zoom out to see the entire galexy and you can almost zoom in to first person, but it stops short. It would be easy to impliment zooming in the rest of the way so you can choose not to see your ship all day long like a big zit you can't get rid of. Besides, I was more talking about being able to use the keyboard to move around inside systems, not necessarily for battle. Lol, good one. Anyway, yes, the option would be a nice feature. Why not have it?
Matsumita	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:19:00 - [12] Originally by: UAFWolfcry Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 16/10/2008 22:11:35 Alright, aside from the moving around with the keyboard I would at least like to see first person view. I KNOW that wouldn't be impossible, since you can zoom out to see the entire galexy and you can almost zoom in to first person, but it stops short. It would be easy to impliment zooming in the rest of the way so you can choose not to see your ship all day long like a big zit you can't get rid of. Besides, I was more talking about being able to use the keyboard to move around inside systems, not necessarily for battle. The first person view from the ****pit would sound alright.
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.10.16 22:45:00 - [13] but then all i'd be able to see is the inside of my pod
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 23:30:00 - [14] Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 16/10/2008 23:30:30 Well if you didn't like the view you could always zoom out a bit.
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.10.16 23:35:00 - [15] Originally by: UAFWolfcry Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 16/10/2008 23:30:30 Well if you didn't like the view you could always zoom out a bit. it wouldnt be a first person view if i could see outside my pod.. considering first person would be through the eyes of my clone
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.16 23:40:00 - [16] Read the backstory. You are in a goo-filled pod. What you see in third person view is the image from camera drones outside your ship, since your brain is hooked up to the pod. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.16 23:46:00 - [17] I don't care about the pod, I want to see a ship view, whether it be just a plain 'no ship in the way of my field of view' or a realistic view of being at the helm, I just want to have the option to get rid of the third person 'ship is blocking my field of vision' view. It takes from the realism. Sometimes I'll want to go third person, sometimes not but the option would be great to have and make it more enjoyable.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.17 00:14:00 - [18] If you want a plain way to look at something without your ship in the way, select it and use the LOOK AT button. The camera will center on that. Maybe they could institute a free look system, that might be interesting. As far as "being at the helm"...I repeat, Read the backstory. What you see IS what a pod pilot would see when at the helm. According to the backstory the pod pilot DOES see his ship from a third person perspective due to camera drones. Co ckpits do not exist for capsuleers. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 00:20:00 - [19] I don't want to do that, I want to fly around in space with first person view, not just have the option to 'look at' something. That's like those cheesy MMORPG games where they think giving you first person view is letting you push a button and zoom in. That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about flying and interacting with things on a first person level. I don't care if nothing changes except the ship is removed from the field of view when you zoom in more, I wouldn't mind that at all. I just don't want to have to look at my ship all day long, being unable to visualize myself actually in the game.
Nona Rebbats	Posted - 2008.10.17 01:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Read the backstory. You are in a goo-filled pod. What you see in third person view is the image from camera drones outside your ship, since your brain is hooked up to the pod. He's right. Look here.
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 01:55:00 - [21] Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 17/10/2008 01:56:21 I don't think you are fully comprehending what I'm talking about here. I'm not sure I could say it more plainly. I don't care about having a ships point of view. I simply want to be able to have a view where you don't see a 3rd person ship smack in the middle of the screen. Take the ship away when you zoom in and I'm fine. I don't care about the HUD, and I don't care about the POD, just want to be able to fly around in space without looking at my ship from the outside
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.10.17 03:48:00 - [22] Originally by: UAFWolfcry Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 17/10/2008 01:56:21 I don't think you are fully comprehending what I'm talking about here. I'm not sure I could say it more plainly. I don't care about having a ships point of view. I simply want to be able to have a view where you don't see a 3rd person ship smack in the middle of the screen. Take the ship away when you zoom in and I'm fine. I don't care about the HUD, and I don't care about the POD, just want to be able to fly around in space without looking at my ship from the outside then you want a different game, backstory doesnt support what you want to see and makes little to no sense in regards to the pilot... since this obviously isnt the game for you, can i have your stuff?
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 05:33:00 - [23] Uh... actually no I don't want a different game. I find it absolutely ridiculous that you would say we shouldn't have a first person view because it's not supported by backstory. That's like saying Mario shouldn't be headbutting bricks for coins because in real life he would get brain damage.
Malik Mantille Minmatar Dark Sun Collective	Posted - 2008.10.17 06:31:00 - [24] What I would like, and though it is somewhat different from your wishes, would be a finer granularity to the controls. maybe a "move here" 2d flat map over head option, so I can get in a precise position. or perhaps manual controls to move my ship into posistion. I dislike the 3d go here double click method as it has very rough control factors. ------
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:07:00 - [25] I agree with you there. That's why I wanted to be able to manually control the ship when not in battle. I wouldn't mind it in battle if it wasn't so hard to impliment with the current point of click combat system.
C4LYP50 HeXstoof	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:27:00 - [26] Thumbs up to the OP. Having your ship stuck in the middle of your screen needlessly, and having to justify it with a backstory concerning camera drones and whatnot, is pretty silly, and totally against the immersion aspect of the game. One can reasonably assume that a society technologically advanced enough to have camera drones would certainly have at least a forward facing ship camera interfaced with your pod link, capable of swapping interface to the camera drones on zoom-out. Don't get me wrong, I think Eve ships are beautiful, but we see ours quite enough. As far as 1st person (new) controls.........I'm ambivelant. Kinda think it might be fun to move around using arrow keys, etc., but this doesn't seem a pressing detail to me, and goodness knows what a UI change might bring unintentionally. Lastly, let's not forget: Backstories can be changed to suit the will of game developers, just like player guides. Nothing is written in stone. Brunette By Birth...........Blonde By Nature. ------------------------------------------------ "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell." "No tears, please; it's a waste of good suffering."
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 07:39:00 - [27] Awesome points C4LYP50. I agree whole heartedly.
C4LYP50 HeXstoof	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:18:00 - [28] Another point I just thought about: client lag. Granted, it might not seem so important to those with newer machines, but there's a financial crisis going on, and most folks aren't going to upgrade their machine until they have to, if disposable income is reduced. Since the lag we encounter playing Eve is usually a combination or both server and client side lag (ok, also internet 'chokepoint' lag, but not really applicable to this theory), it would seem to me that 1st person view saves the graphics card from having to redraw the 'iron' everytime you move, thus reducing client lag (most peoples excuse for using classic version of the game), and by extension total lag, at least by a small amount. Disclaimer: Since I'm not an IT person, I can only theorise about this, but it makes sense. Brunette By Birth...........Blonde By Nature. ------------------------------------------------ "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell." "No tears, please; it's a waste of good suffering."
Malik Mantille Minmatar Dark Sun Collective	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:21:00 - [29] Originally by: C4LYP50 Another point I just thought about: client lag. Granted, it might not seem so important to those with newer machines, but there's a financial crisis going on, and most folks aren't going to upgrade their machine until they have to, if disposable income is reduced. Since the lag we encounter playing Eve is usually a combination or both server and client side lag (ok, also internet 'chokepoint' lag, but not really applicable to this theory), it would seem to me that 1st person view saves the graphics card from having to redraw the 'iron' everytime you move, thus reducing client lag (most peoples excuse for using classic version of the game), and by extension total lag, at least by a small amount. Disclaimer: Since I'm not an IT person, I can only theorise about this, but it makes sense. biggest client lag in the game? Hull damage... I get over 180fps on two clients with my rig.... if my hull is damaged and I am ANYWHERE NEAR MY ship in view, it chokes it down so bad (well to bout 50fps) ------
UAFWolfcry	Posted - 2008.10.17 08:44:00 - [30] Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 17/10/2008 08:46:19 Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 17/10/2008 08:45:36 Edited by: UAFWolfcry on 17/10/2008 08:44:32 I have a Geforce 8800 GTX graphics card, 4 Gigs of Duel channel RAM, and quad core processor, 64 bit operating system (I built the computer myself), as well as 7mbps internet connection. and my computer still lags up sometimes during fights. Not a whole lot, but sometimes. I think that part of it is server side though.

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