Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Stop being a useless sack of crap and learn how to play the game or just GTFO, either one is an acceptable solution.

Actually, suicide gankers are the minority in EVE. And mostly just kiddos who don-¦t have the skills to pay the bills.

Actually, suicide gankers are the minority in EVE. And mostly just kiddos who don-¦t have the skills to pay the bills.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

I agree, remove CONCORD and you'll remove suicide ganks.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Stop suicide ganking.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

How about your guns/launchers automatically activate at random - that should make it equal for everyone?

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Stop suicide ganking.

How about your guns/launchers automatically activate at random - that should make it equal for everyone?

/c

In order to suicide gank someone, you don-¦t need any skills. It-¦s just execution without a cause.

The wortless loser doing loses cheap ship, and target expensive ship. There isn-¦t any punishment for that social reject.

Really, these npc alt forum spammers are the minority in EVE.

It-¦s time to start listening the majority CCP. Screw these talentless losers.

That generated some rather humorous brain imagery !

btw, my brother Krixtal is 'indisposed' for 12 more days , but I'll tell him all about it.

Really, these npc alt forum spammers are the minority in EVE.

You are absolutely right! Highsec is for those who have no interest in PvP, if you idiots like PvP so much then go to lowsec or nullsec.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

No.


No again. CCP are revising war decs at the moment which means there will be even more options for hisec pvp. If you dislike pvp so much you could go play a different game.

EVE online pvp lasts about 10 seconds, sometimes even one minute.

Seriously, EVE online is wrong game if you look for pvp.

PVP in EVE online is like watching paint dry.

OP, this wasn't your ship was it?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12900283

If it was you, if you could possibly wire me the 18 billion you owe me, that would be wonderful.

Stop suicide ganking.

Stop suicide ganking.

Wow, quite the collection of 'DEAL WITH IT' wanna be's posting in this thread.

OP has a valid point, suicide attacks are slowly chasing away new subscription revenue that CCP is trying to gain. As long as the Bounty system remains broken with no viable Bountyhunter mechanic available in this game, suicide attacks will continue to dominate high security unchecked.

Heh, high security, now that's definitely the biggest misrepresentation in use within this game.

Anyway, I'm sure within the next couple of years, this game will see some drastic changes made to the game mechanics to resolve that problem, especially with little ole CCP now teaming up with big brother Sony.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

I agree, remove Concord, let players defend themselves.

OP, this wasn't your ship was it?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12900283

If it was you, if you could possibly wire me the 18 billion you owe me, that would be wonderful.

OP has a valid point, suicide attacks are slowly chasing away new subscription revenue that CCP is trying to gain.

Heh, high security, now that's definitely the biggest misrepresentation in use within this game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

What are these new subscribers flying that are so gank-worthy?


I don't know what sec status my home town has, but Concord respond a hell of a lot quicker than the local cops and have a better success record at catching the bad guys. What more do you want from a police force? Seems pretty high-security to me.

I'll admit to being a complete carebear who doesn't indulge in PVP as such, yeah I screw people on the markets etc but I don't shoot at anything that isn't a red cross. With the amount of shiptoasting that's been spewing out of the "I'm a carebear and PVP'rs are doing it wrong crowd" I'm seriously considering buying up a ton of disposable ships and collecting me some tears .

I used to get annoyed at the HTFU attitude of the PVP folks, after a couple of years in game I'm beginning to agree with them and rapidly beginning to see why they enjoy taunting us poor bears, some people just don't deserve to be in the same universe as the rest of us and I'm not talking about the PVP crowd.

We know you are. That's why we're saying GÇ£NoGÇ¥ to your OP.

Oh Gawd, bittervet syndrome is setting in. Quick, go mine something!

Thats because your local police don't have SPACESHIPS with WARP DRIVE duhhh!

Stop suicide ganking

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

OP has a valid point, suicide attacks are slowly chasing away new subscription revenue that CCP is trying to gain.

Heh, high security, now that's definitely the biggest misrepresentation in use within this game.

Don't have enough time behind me for bittervet syndrome , although I am a member of Failheap so I'm slowly heading down that road

and ugh mining, I'd rather flay myself and rub salt into the wounds than do that again

So, suicide ganking. Why is it here?

"Because Sandbox" isn't really an answer.
"Eve is a big manly game for big manly men with big manly balls" isn't really an answer either.
The isk sink created by suicide gankers is probably insignificant, and suicide ganking isn't that big of a profession.
It certainly wouldn't be that hard to disable suicide ganking on a technical level.

So why?

Well, my best bet would be tension and atmosphere.

It's not really the sandbox aspect that requires high-sec ganking, but the "feeling" of the game.

Oh come on! Let me set the mood...

You're in a backwoods dead end system, 1.0, no stations. Only one other mission runner in the system with you. Your home base in one jump over. 10 belts in the system, all are pristine and juicy to the point of bursting. You warp in with your two accounts, one in a hulk, the other in a maxed out orca. You put on some "insert favorite soothing music here", and listen to the rythmic hum of the mining lasers as you lean back and take a long drag from your pipe (yes, you smoke a pipe). As you leisurely drag your ore from your hold to the jetcan you quietly wonder how many miners were ganked down in 0.5 since you lit your pipe.

Denial, its a helluva drug. It's becoming more hardcore and visceral. By all means tell yourself repeating your demand in the form of inevitability controls this community.

CCP could have sold out a long time ago when things were really bad. Subs were minimum. They have built up a revenue with players who love hardcore gameplay. The carrot and stick routine the PVE crowd dangle with the promise of subs and good times mean jack **** at this point. They don't need your money. If however you care for EVE's style of gameplay your money is absolutely welcome.

<--- Will play EVE until the day he dies or no longer can as long as the game remains violent and visceral. Doesn't require scripted raids or content either just death and new ways of bringing it to other players. Is loyal to a company that remains loyal to its self and stated goal. Can't be lured away by eye candy and promises. Will spend money regularly in game happily for more ISK to bring death to other players. Doesn't whine nor cry nor beg for mercy and changes when things do not go his way. Represents a solid portion of EVEs playerbase.

Indeed. I'm glad you agree that Concord are already a very effective police force and do not need to be buffed further.

High-sec is very (but not absolutely) safe, at least until they introduce doughnut shops to incarna. After that ... doughnut shops will be safe.

How about contributing some worthwhile discussion to the topic instead of getting all hostile? [GǪ]

so go ahead and get bent.

What are these new subscribers flying that are so gank-worthy?

So, suicide ganking. Why is it here?
...
Well, my best bet would be tension and atmosphere.
...
You can take preventative measures to protect yourself. But ultimately, they're there because some designer wants them there, and he's probably got a good reason for it.

Actually I want an Eve PvE server. I've mentioned it several times before. It wouldn't be difficult to do (relatively speaking). Just replace what pirates and enemies do with NPCs. Within 6 months its population would greatly exceed that of TQ.

I don't think very many people understand that a TON of people in this game love the GAME, but not so much the agressive people in it. Also I don't think people realize how much less it irritates you when a computer blows you up as opposed to another human. I'm a science nerd, hence I naturally love Eve. But as a science nerd I don't particularly get any big thrills by "HAHA I blowed up ur ship!", whether I'm the one doing the blowing up, or if I am on the receiving end.

I mean lets look at the parts of Eve that are completely independent of PvP.

1) Phenomenol graphics.
2) Sci-Fi environment with good back story.
3) Rich and in depth player manufacturing.
4) Almost fully player driven economy.
5) Non cookie cutter approach to game design with almost infinite possibilites.


And then, PvP.

Yeah yeah, I know markets and manufacturing and all that are dependent on PvP you are going to say. Well, NPC's can be programmed to blow up a lot more stuff a lot faster then any human player or alliance ever could. And its a lot easier to tweak the rate at which they do when they are NPC's as opposed to humans.

Riiiight.

The game design is entirely done with PvP in mind, and it's the player competition that gives rise to the GÇ£infinite possibilitiesGÇ¥. The other two would not exist without PvP. If you want to play the game you just described, go to Sisi. It's all there. You'll notice that it's not nearly as popular as you're expecting it to be.

Dude please go back to WOW and stop trying to ruin eve for those of us who have played it for 7+ years

Its clear you have not tried any combat of any kind, you wont belive me but COMBAT IS WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT all the stuff your going on about was added to pad out the combat, nothing more.

you may have missed all the whooha last year about this, we dont want barbies and the sims in space, this is about combat, conquest and politics.

Please re read the manual about GETTING FRIENDS and playing with them

your missing 95% of what eve has to offer and the part your asking to keep and that great!

You can be in a Hulk in a few months after starting Eve..... you can solo gank a Hulk with a Catalyst with very little skills in under a week of playing.
Not saying they should remove suicide ganking, but that is a serious balancing issue imo. Give Hulks better tanks or make another tier of mining ships that don't completely friggin suck.

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol

Man you guys are fanatical zealots.

because its one universe and one war - idiot, not the fighting server and the carebear server how crap would that be!

you clearly dont get what makes eve great and i dont know why i am talking with you

Actually, the sandbox pretty much demands that it's there, otherwise we wouldn't have a full set of tools at our disposal to get rid of other people.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

You can be in a Hulk in a few months after starting Eve..... you can solo gank a Hulk with a Catalyst with very little skills in under a week of playing.

Actually I want an Eve PvE server.

I was half way through typing out a response to you, then I realized you sound like a CCP marketing exec, so I'm just gunna pass you by.

Lol no.
Suicide attacks are not hurting new subscriptions in the slightest. New players have nothing worth losing a ship over.


So you think highsec is less secure than lowsec and nullsec? One thing is for sure, over the the next couple of years, we'll see it become a bit more dangerous, since that's where their marketing is going and since that's where the market as a whole is going: difficulty is back in style.

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol

Stop suicide ganking.

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol

Man you guys are fanatical zealots.

And no, I'm not "missing" anything that I actually want to do. In fact I'm enjoying Eve a lot by doing what I do. But I don't PvP. I don't want to. If I wanna go kill someone in a video game I'll go play black ops where the only penalty I have from death is a couple second re-spawn time. Not hours of real life time lost.

You also used the word "we". Who is this "we" you speak of? Its impossible that you would be so pompous to actually think you could speak for everyone who plays Eve, so I must assume you have a mouse in your pocket.

Wow, quite the collection of 'DEAL WITH IT' wanna be's posting in this thread.

OP has a valid point, suicide attacks are slowly chasing away new subscription revenue that CCP is trying to gain....

And "idiot", really? We are talking about an internet spaceships game. If you get so worked up at someone having a different opinion than yours about an online game that you feel it necessary to call them an idiot, then perhaps you need reevaluate who you are as a person.

I say good day Sir!

Actually, suicide gankers are the minority in EVE. And mostly just kiddos who don-¦t have the skills to pay the bills.

*Vain attempt to direct :seriousposters: to the nearest calendar*

Actually, new players are being attracted in ever increasing numbers by the prospect of being able to attack older players in a meaningful way.

Say, these unsupported assertions made on the basis of no evidence whatsoever are a way easier way to argue than the other kind. Thanks for introducing us to them!

I've learned my lesson from my interactions with you. I won't even try to have a rational debate.

You just keep being angry honey.

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve?

Same thing about your unsupported assertion based on no evidence whatsoever.

Strange how there's always threads being created about new players quitting due to being ganked but never see any threads posted about a brand new player successfully attacking an experienced older player.

Wrong again.

EVE Online is promising PVP, but reality is very different.

Fit a tank fool.

EVE is all about grind, just like any other MMORPG is.

You are doing in wrong.

There is grind in EVE. But the grind is not what EVE is about. You are not doing grind to get to the end game, the final goal (level, best equipment, etc), simply because "the goal" does not exist in EVE. You decide what you want to do, and then you grind for it. What is grind for one person (e.g. I hate missions and love low-sec hauling) is not grind for someone else (a lot of mission-runners pay me for to bring them their gear). With persistence and co-operation you can almost get rid of the "grind" parts by sharing stuff with other players who are interested in things you are not, so that people do the stuff they like and let others do the rest.

And that's why EVE is superior.

Same thing about your unsupported assertion based on no evidence whatsoever.

Strange how there's always threads being created about new players quitting due to being ganked but never see any threads posted about a brand new player successfully attacking an experienced older player. Ganking a mining ship with your recently created alt doesn't count.

Anyway, I'd love to stay and troll with you but quite frankly, I'm tired. Maybe tomorrow.

That's a load of crap too.
All PvE is grind.
All PvP requires PVE to fund.

Strange how there's always threads being created about new players quitting due to being ganked ...

but never see any threads posted about a brand new player successfully attacking an experienced older player.

Anyway, I'd love to stay and troll with you but quite frankly, I'm tired. Maybe tomorrow.

Nah. It's fairly easy to make money without grinding for it.

The non-grin:y nature of EVE is another thing that makes it pretty unique in the MMO market.

If CCP remove all the bots and we can't just go to Jita to buy our L-ozone, T2 and mins you will find out just how wrong you are

GǪoh, you mean those things that aren't needed for PvP?

Wait, what was your post in response to again?

Oh and: if CCP removed all bots, it would be easier to go to Jita and buy all that stuff.

and mining would become a worthwhile occupation for some, despite how boring it is.

Lack of mittens makes my fingers cold

I'm afraid to askGǪ

Lol, I really should have thought that out before I posted it, so especially for you Tippia

Mittens

Well, yes. It was either that, or something much, much worse.

That's a load of crap too.
All PvE is grind.
All PvP requires PVE to fund.

EVE is a grindwhore.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what?

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

GǪoh, you mean those things that aren't needed for PvP?

Wait, what was your post in response to again?

Oh and: if CCP removed all bots, it would be easier to go to Jita and buy all that stuff.

Another solution for the newbie protection would have to be newbie systems or -constellations which experienced players could not enter and where newbies were granted sanctuary for a limited time.

Well, you can define it as "pve = grind", in which case that holds (usually - there is PvP that supports itself, but it's rare). But if you start from the definition that grind is something you do only to achieve some goal and do not particularly enjoy, or what you have to do in excess of what you'd enjoy, then no. PvP usually requires PvE to fund (exceptions are rare), but it does not have to be particular PvE, but you can pick what you enjoy of it. (I am counting production and trade as PvE here, even though strictly speaking who you play against in it is other players.) You can share work so that people who like missions or trade do it, and support those in the corp who do PvP, so no one has to do excess amounts of what they do not enjoy. Etc.

Wait, what part of the grind wasn't related to PvP again?

The part where you make money.

There are people who approach EVE by thinking the "real" game is combat PvP, and you support it by doing "grind" PvE. But that thinking is so limited and makes you miss out on so many aspects of the sandbox...

Pretty much. It gets even worse when that limited thinking makes people miss out on the various ways of generating both combat and ISK.

Oh my, but if suicide ganking just becomes an exploit ...

GǪand if undocking became an exploit, oh my!

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

What are these new subscribers flying that are so gank-worthy?

New players have nothing worth losing a ship over.

This sadens me deeply.

ok lets use an analogy from where i work (cause i work with kids a little)

i am the adult in charge of the sandbox and the kids are at play.

your a small child and are building a sandcastle and having a grand old time when little timmy comes along and stamps right in the middle of it making you cry

As the adult (concord in this instance ) i tell little tommy off who also is now very upset. you feel the winner despite loosing your sandcastle and little timmy now has the ump with you and will bully you for life.....

so the castle was destroyed, both of you are upset and niether of you won.

Now lets try this......

Same senario your building a sandcastle in the sun and suddenly little timmy comes screaming at you heading for your castle, this time however cause your aware he MIGHT do it your armed with a fat water pistol and shoot him as he comes close this time, thus protecting your sandcastle.

This starts a totally new game of war in the process with timmy, who you end up becoming best friends with and marrying his sister.........

CCP has this exactly how it should be - grow some and get a water pistol

WTB Rifter with big fat waterpistol :)

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Agreeing with this. Remove Concord so there is no need to suicide gank please.

Fit a tank fool.

In my case, apparently, a shuttle with a Tracking Computer I in its hold.

Actually I have to agree with OP, T3 BC's have made a lot of ships unflyable even in high-sec WITH a tank...

T3 BC's have thrown the "mechanic" out of whack.

A deep space transport will tank 600 dps and have a buffer better than many battleships as well as having +2 warp strength.

And wouldn't it be great if just EVERYONE flew the exact ship you're using to justify the continuation of this broken **** ?


Honestly, do you think at ALL before you hit "post" ?

So tanking your hauler is somehow wrong?

I dont get your argument here.

You're picture is next to "stupid" in the dictionary... that's why.

It has nothing even to do with tank.

Once upon a time to gank a FREIGHTER you'd need about 15-20 battleships. Now you can do it at half the price.

You don't consider this will increase freighter ganks? Stop already hard done by indy guys from going about their business ?

Stop talking you're embarassing yourself.

Anyhow, I'd just like to see it get back to the point it was before the T3 BC's came in. It would be nice for CCP to make that happen. People are just way too much of am easy target now.

I do a frieghter run 3 times a day to jita and have yet to see a frighter gank happen. The rather simple solution is to not pack your freighter with soo much stuff that you make yourself a target. Frighters are for high bulk, low value items. If you want to transport high value items do so in a way that will not make you a target. blocade runner for example or do multiple runs in the frighter or supertanked orca.

Only the stupid get ganked.

stuff

Actually I want an Eve PvE server. I've mentioned it several times before. It wouldn't be difficult to do (relatively speaking). Just replace what pirates and enemies do with NPCs. Within 6 months its population would greatly exceed that of TQ.

I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.

I haven't seen it so it must not be happening.
I haven't had it happen to me, so it must only be happening to people who are stupid (?!?)

Seriously, embarass yourself more.

Why would you transport for over 1B isk in a single trip?

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

I've never been suicide ganked, but I never do stuff where I would be. :) However, my source for how much of a danger it is is a major scale trader, operates in various places but also out of Jita, runs freighters, delivers me several billions worth of stuff repeatedly. Says he's not been suicide ganked in years, and that if it happens to you enough to be a serious problem for your trade, you are doing it wrong. (Also says the boomerang thing was "probably a little overpowered" so good it's removed and will be patched, in case someone is interested.)

If you get suicide ganked in a shuttle, I really have to wonder though. Would like to hear a proper after-action-report about that one. From either side. :)

I have zero tears for someone who got ganked in a shuttle or something with bpo's in it ;)

Don't people use covops for those? Blockade runners if you have something that needs a bit more cargo hold.

Stop suicide ganking.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

ganking is epidemic because highsec bears are fatter then ever, take less precautions then ever and wardecs are weaker and easier to dodge then ever.

Ofc, Tornado has nothing to do with it, that's not why every ganker and his mother uses that ship now.

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol

Ofc, Tornado has nothing to do with it, that's not why every ganker and his mother uses that ship now.

if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

It wouldn't ruin Eve. It'd simply be a waste of time and effort for no real gain.

The entire game was designed around PVP.

Remove it and the entire game falls out of balance - Flat on its' face.

If you gear industry and the economy to account for no PVP losses and make mission running the norm, you're left with a pedantically complicated World of Warcraft. Sure, it would appeal to a few players but not enough to justify the time and trouble to make it.

The element of danger is what makes this game. It's the only reason I play it. This is coming from someone who hasn't even fooled with PVP yet. Definite "carebear" as it were. I know I am not unique in that.

If i can kill u for cheaper than my loss then my fun money will still be used for tears. Even if i lost more money to gank you it would still be ok if the loss ment more to you.

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

How did a suicide ganker in high-sec even manage to lock your shuttle before you were away? Were you flying afk? (If you were, tough, and there's your counter.)

This guy gets it!

Stop suicide ganking.

It-¦s totally out of balance, there isn-¦t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn-¦t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it-¦s just griefing.

Pilots that don-¦f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc-¦s then so what? It doesn-¦t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn-¦t have any valid reasoning behind it, it-¦s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.

Obvious troll. But still delicious tears from a carebear.

The suggestion seems to be that this stuff is a form of legitimate gameplay to achieve a gain of some sort, but it seems to me that much of it just plain griefing and some of it is done purely BECAUSE YOU CAN

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6. Play the game that was made for you
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Hahaha, wow, nice attack. Why so mad?

I must say your mastery of the English language is amazing and your logic is completely astounding. Especially when all you did was make some vague reference that I'm in denial and demanding something while you go off on a tangent posting a bunch of vindictive hypocritical mantra and obsolete meme's. How about contributing some worthwhile discussion to the topic instead of getting all hostile?

Actually nevermind. I've already reached my quota of dealing with sarcastic pompous egomaniacs during this past week so go ahead and get bent.

The question is, why did he shoot? The suggestion seems to be that this stuff is a form of legitimate gameplay to achieve a gain of some sort, but it seems to me that much of it just plain griefing and some of it is done purely for the hell of it. My case must have been the latter, as there was no possible gain and the loss of a shuttle and a T1 module would hardly be grief-inducing, even for a newbie (I was running a business tutorial mission at the time).

I have no idea how he managed to lock me, but he did it as I landed on the gate - I was hit just as I jumped. He didn't even kill me, I survived by the skin of my teeth - presumably he didn't survive Concord, I didn't jump back through to find out. All I remember is something red in my overview as I came out of warp, which I immediately clicked and had a look at. I got a brief glimpse of a Thrasher firing and then I was through, with my shield and almost all my armour gone. And before anyone asks - no, I wasn't aggro'd to anyone.



Yep, that sounds pretty close to a definition of griefing.

not JUST for the hell of it



GREAT idea... how many subs are there ONLY in 0.0?

Think the game will run with ONLY THEM paying for it?

I'm a fairly hardcore carebear, and I never want ganking to go away. This is why:

When I lost my first Hulk to a ganker, it gave me weeks of a tingly frustrated feeling in my butt, this feeling was paired with these salty fluids that kept welling up at the corners of my eyes.
I miss that feeling of being helpless, used up and completely abused by a random player, who actions served no greater game play purpose other than to ruin someones day.

Keep this wonderful and deep mechanic in the game, EvE needs it.

False, more players paying sub = +profit.

orca corp bays are unscannable
also, covops and blockade runners can't cloak when undocking