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Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.10.18 03:24:00 - [31] Originally by: VmeeX what does RMT stand for? real money... trade? transfeR? - putting the gist back into logistics
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.10.18 06:28:00 - [32] again, CCP is too polite to say it, but the bottom line is very simple: As long as CCP gets the money for things is fine. Skill training is easy to fix on accounts, buy/sellorders other things are hard to fudge in the database.. and lets face it... SKILL TRAINING IS MORE VALUABLE THAN BUY/SELL ORDERS OR CONTRACTS. hence why CCP fixed it... If you are WHINING about ghost training.. please.. find yourself a Free to play game... Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Alanna Kereshkova	Posted - 2008.10.18 09:35:00 - [33] Buying and selling GTC is obviously unfair to the folks who cannot afford either hence someone would like it banned. Obviously, as it makes CCP real world money and curbs the illegal sale if ISK therefore it won't be stopped. What is also unfair, if I extend the thought train of the OP, is folks running more than one account at the same time. It effectively is the same arguement, "I only have money for one account and my PC cannot handle running more than one at a time so it should be banned." Now running, say 8 or more play positions by one person is a major feat in itself but has the potential to generate huge amounts of ISK which can be exchanged for more GTC and so pay for itself. Nifty eh? All those folks who run multiple accounts... imagine what Eve would be like if you could only run one toon at a time! Would the Eve population fall by much, a third maybe?
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.10.18 09:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Shard Merchant They're not going to remove GTC for isk sales as long as there's a cash market. Thats the whole point of its existence, if they don't put in a system and take profit, then they're going to simply forgo that profit to farmers. By that logic why dont most governments around the world make class A drugs legal? I mean they cant stop the market and by trying to stop it they are simply forgoing that profit they can be making. The reason they dont is because when you make such detrimental things legal it opens it up to a new market, sure theres people that dont care if somthings illegal but theres alot who do by making it legal you increase that market. Yes CCP dont lose isk this way but it seems to me more like defeat then anything else, RL money should not determin how much isk you can have. Yes you can buy multiple accounts but there is a limit to that boost (only so many accounts any one person can use at once). As the system stands a rich person can join eve and at day one. Sell bunches of GTCs to make many billions, Buy a high skillpoint character with that isk, sell more GTCS and be in a supercap by day 3. Im sure nothing that extream happens but just the idea that its possible to have that kind of win buttons seems an unbalance to me. Most play this game to get away from life and the financial crisis not just to remodel it. (and before you smack me i could afford to sell plenty of GTC's i dont because ive played this game many years without ever doing so because i find it unethical.)
Mad Mackem E X O D U S	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:01:00 - [35] Ok I'll bite, I have billions of isk so I buy my gametime with it, in effect CCP still get real money for my subscription. If I personally had to pay real cash for this game I would quit, so would many others, CCP loses money=epic fail. So in answer to op, never. Regards
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Mad Mackem Ok I'll bite, I have billions of isk so I buy my gametime with it, in effect CCP still get real money for my subscription. If I personally had to pay real cash for this game I would quit, so would many others, CCP loses money=epic fail. So in answer to op, never. Regards CCP would defo not loose that much money. 90% of the people saying they would emo quit are always full of dung when it comes to THE CRUNCH they wont. Heck remember all those people saying they were gonna emo quit because CCP wouldnt reinburse them for the server downtime. CCP isnt lead by the marketing department thank christ. Eve isnt an expensive MMO, i managed to afford it when i started at like 15 im pretty sure the average eve player who is around 20 i think can afford that much. If they cant wow they really need to get a job. If you cant afford to keep so many accounts running then everyone should be Skilpoint *****s and just activate the ones you need when you need them.
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:16:00 - [37] Well, obvoiusly CCP is on the right path, since removing ghost training will obviously lose them a lot of $ , still they are willing to make the sacrifice for a fair gameplay So i say we`ll soon see GTC`s go out, just keep an eye on blogs, as CCP is soo busy bringing us news about err...umm..yea...new expansions and all that giz , you may just miss the news . And as we all know those darn forums have a mind of there own and the thread about it may be lost aswell oh and http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=896318&page=147
Frenchie Spy	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:31:00 - [38] Can someone explain to me how I can get the ISK that the OP is talking about. This seems like the way to go. No running missions or other boring crap. Just spend some money and go PvPing. I have a job and a girlfriend that both take up some of my time, and it seems that using the "GTC" way of funding my Eve life will allow me to compete with the guy that lives in his mommies basement and spends all day ratting in 0.0.
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.10.18 10:46:00 - [39] Edited by: Rawthorm on 18/10/2008 10:46:48 The second CCP bans GTC trading, is the second that a great many of us cancel over half our accounts. No way in hell im paying over $200 a month for a dammed game.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Rawthorm Edited by: Rawthorm on 18/10/2008 10:46:48 The second CCP bans GTC trading, is the second that a great many of us cancel over half our accounts. No way in hell im paying over $200 a month for a dammed game. Thats what? 14 accounts???
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Hellspawn666 Originally by: Shard Merchant As the system stands a rich person can join eve and at day one. Sell bunches of GTCs to make many billions, Buy a high skillpoint character with that isk, sell more GTCS and be in a supercap by day 3. Im sure nothing that extream happens but just the idea that its possible to have that kind of win buttons seems an unbalance to me. Most play this game to get away from life and the financial crisis not just to remodel it. Actually it does happen every so often but you forget to finish the sequence: "...and be in a supercap by day 3, and the star of a comedy killmail thread by day 5". You can buy ISK. You can buy SP. You can't buy brains or experience or knowledge...
Ralara Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Zeba GTC to isk is fine for the moast part. As hard as it is to believe there are quite a few eve players who really don't have the rl cash to fund their playtime and can't sacrifice their scant school budget that supplies them with drugs, alchohol and hookers for the satisfiying yet esoteric enjoyment of an MMO like Eve. However they have time aplenty to grind as much isk as they want as who cares about things like studying and trying to excel at thier school work so they can easily afford to spend isk to fund their addiction. Well then maybe they should get a job to pay for it? If they are unable to do that, maybe they should not play Eve.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:06:00 - [43] Yes. It's unfair that out-of-game factors can change your in-game situation. Therefore, CCP need to remove the following: Multiple accounts (I can't be arsed with alts, so why should they be allowed for anyone else?) Being online more than 20h/week (I have a life… well, kind of… and it's unfair that others can play more) Being online less than 20h/week (…because, by the same token, it would be unfair if I was to play more than others) Real-time activities (It's unfair that some have better computers and connections and reflexes — everything should be turn-based with no time-limit) On the other hand, as far as I can see, the argument should actually be the exact opposite to the one the OP makes: ghost training was removed because it gave people who didn't pay up the same advantage as people who did pay, so by that token, GTCs should be the only way to gain ISK in-game…
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:53:00 - [44] GTCs make CCP money. Ghost training doesn't.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:03:00 - [45] **, , Motha motha Motha motha Motha , motha ** nyoonch, nyoonch, nyoonch 1,2 1,2,3,4 nyoonch, nyoonch, nyoonch Smoking weed, smoking wiz Doing coke, drinking beers Drinking beers, beers, beers Rolling fatties, smoking blunts Who smokes the blunts? We smoke the blunts Rolling blunts and smoking 'emà Uh, let me get a nickel bag 15 bucks, little man Put that shit, in my hand If that money, doesnÆt show Then you owe me, owe me, owe. Ma jungle love yeah, owe, owe, oh, I think I wanna no ya, no ya, yeah what?!
Pur3Bl00D Minmatar Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: VmeeX The thing about selling GTCs it's obvious that CCP won't ban it, beacause EVE players get fast iskies by selling GTCs and they are happy. And CCP can make money by selling GTCs and they are happy. ...and RMTers sell less ISK and are unhappy. CCP doesnt sell so much more like ppl thing. That happens because the guy who buys the GTC with his isk plays essentially for free... so many ppl tend to forget that, i wonder why . Also if GTC-for-ISK practice is banned, RMT and farmers will go up BIG TIME. Be sure about it.
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Pur3Bl00D Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: VmeeX The thing about selling GTCs it's obvious that CCP won't ban it, beacause EVE players get fast iskies by selling GTCs and they are happy. And CCP can make money by selling GTCs and they are happy. ...and RMTers sell less ISK and are unhappy. CCP doesnt sell so much more like ppl thing. That happens because the guy who buys the GTC with his isk plays essentially for free... so many ppl tend to forget that, i wonder why . Also if GTC-for-ISK practice is banned, RMT and farmers will go up BIG TIME. Be sure about it. Sorry if i`m wrong but you don`t seem to get it CCP DOESNT sell GTC`s for isk. CCP sells GTC`s for real $ . Someone (player x) buys the GTC with real $ then sells it to player y for isk End result : for what CCP cares, the account is payed , someone spent real $ for that gametime, who is the end user of that gametime is largely irrelevant to CCP
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:47:00 - [48] 1. ccp makes money off of the gtc for isk and isk for gtc trade. Directly in that more accounts are maintained then would be without it (people pay for extra ones with isk, and some people wouldnt play if they couldnt buy isk to get ahead). Indirectly in that people reactivate alot easier when ft doesnt cost em real money. 2. It's good publicity "Icelandic game co tackles RMT problem, is this the first working solution widely accepted by the players ?" 3. CCP set themselves up for additonal avenues of generating extra income out of the RMT-demand that they exists wether they like it or not. Consider buying those neat ship models with isk, directly, because CCP simply charges someone else for the $ and gives him that isk ? Not yet the right time for that, but in a few years we'll be there allright. Bottom line is that gaining skillpoints is part of the package you pay for. CCP may nto have played things smartly when they more or less actively mentioned this as a feature, but that doesn't change that ghost training gets you stuff for free. And no company gives stuff for free unless it ends up with them being better off. This doesn't I guess. [center] Old blog
Korizan	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:02:00 - [49] As much I don't like the whole buying ISK thing. Well GTC sales for ISK provide a legal way to purchase ISK. So by removing it that means those people would resort to purchasing ISK illegally. And as a spin off it allows others to play the game. So your whole thread is in support of ISK farmers. Are you sure you want to go down that path ?
Sarciss Black Legion Command	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Supay As people flush in cash can afford to buy GTCs and then sell them for isk, this unfairly affects those who cannot. The people benefiting from this are not putting time and energy into working on their characters. LOL, not putting anything in? They're out there working their arses off to earn cold hard cash. Either your a slum basement dweller, who lives off of his benefits and parents, or a tennager who could easily do a paper round and earn enough cash for a GTC each week. Don't try and blame people who have suceeded in life as an excuse for your own failure. ------------- Descend, bold traveller, and attain the centre of the Earth.
Void Khan	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:00:00 - [51] Just think of buying GTC with in-game ISK as really expensive prostitution. It will make you feel better about yourself (I know it makes me feel better about myself) and you can look down your nose at anyone who does it. All problems solved.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Zeba GTC to isk is fine for the moast part. As hard as it is to believe there are quite a few eve players who really don't have the rl cash to fund their playtime and can't sacrifice their scant school budget that supplies them with drugs, alchohol and hookers for the satisfiying yet esoteric enjoyment of an MMO like Eve. However they have time aplenty to grind as much isk as they want as who cares about things like studying and trying to excel at thier school work so they can easily afford to spend isk to fund their addiction. Well then maybe they should get a job to pay for it? If they are unable to do that, maybe they should not play Eve. Oh. I covered that in the last part of my poast that you didn't quote. Originally by: Zeba Saying that get a **ing job ya scouse **s. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.10.18 23:18:00 - [53] GTC --> ISK helps both types of players "Only plays few hours a week" sells GTC for ISK "Hardcore, plays non-stop" gets to play for free by buying a GTC for ISK so get over it,this practice is here to stay
Sacul Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:10:00 - [54] Originally by: Rawthorm Edited by: Rawthorm on 18/10/2008 10:46:48 The second CCP bans GTC trading, is the second that a great many of us cancel over half our accounts. No way in hell im paying over $200 a month for a dammed game. u have 13/14 accounts? lmao i thought i was a freak with 5 and the most i knew of by 1 person was 11....grats you win eve geek of the year p.s. So glad im not in the top 5
Azuraito Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.20 09:32:00 - [55] Bumping a fail thread!
Mal'ol Soddo	Posted - 2008.10.20 11:11:00 - [56] For most things just run through this very simple and non functional program. #define Topic GTC_Sales_Removal if (Topic==More_Cash_For_CCP) { ignore_fanbase(); implement(Topic); } else if (Topic==No_Change_In_Cash_For_CCP) { ignore_fanbase(); ignore(Topic); } else if (Topic==Less_Cash_For_CCP) { ignore_fanbase(); ignore(Topic); } else { ignore_general(); }
Khaeldon	Posted - 2008.10.20 11:48:00 - [57] With the economy going down the shitter, it's actually good for ccp to have richer players give the ones who suffer from economical trouble the option to keep playing with ingame assets.
Serpensis Gallente Value Added Traders	Posted - 2008.10.20 12:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Serpensis on 20/10/2008 12:05:00 It will never be banned. GTC for ISK was introduced as a way for CCP to fight ISK-sellers, and to combat macroers. If you werent such a forum troll, you would know that. Nothing new here, please move on. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
Tuttomenui I	Posted - 2008.10.20 12:16:00 - [59] I have only paid $15 so far to play this game, I use isk to pay for my acount because I dont have the money to spend on this game. This is the purpose of the isk for gametime program. So I say take your whinning else where and stop trying to nerf my game.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2008.10.20 12:17:00 - [60] Welcome to a fight that was lost over 2 years ago. When the gtc<->ISK trades were considered at least "grey" area and gm's advised against them I was still whining regularly on the forums to get it fixed. I still remember seeing rod blaine in those threads saying the same stuff. Then one day it became ok to trade them and within a few months the secure method came in. And that was it. I came back lately from an extended break and I was told that a specific person actually paid $6.000 in gtc's to buy his own titan (said person also admitted it to me). The wrongfulness of this thing goes in so many ways (apart from the obvious stupid part) that makes me really sad. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.

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