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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: El Covah over UNNAT (which became good friends later) etc. etc. ... or ppl accusing us creating lag like it happened last week.
Thats why we became friends in the first place, we wanted the lag generator technology. Damn you for guarding it so closely!!
/me shakes fist
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the plague
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:12:00 -
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we will never give up the lag generator... myself and chribba are the only owners in eve.........
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Olex Grant
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nytemaster As far as the killmails are concerned, we have API imports and all kills/losses are supposed to be automatically posted. I just checked my last loss and it has not posted so there may be something wrong with the API due to some recent changes in the killboard. Can't fault us for not manually posting when it's suppose to do it automatically now can you?
As far as the killboard accuracy, you worry about your own before smacking about someone elses. That goes for everyone who has something to say here.
Thanks for your posts Nyte - good points in both.
The API key is not fool proof, the Huzzah KB also utilises this mod for all corps (Statecorp may not be on this yet, could be wrong there though). I have noticed the GSY one (running through my own API) missing kills and losses which I can see in the corporation window and have had to manually post them.
At the end of the day, there is no real substitute to fostering an atmosphere of integrity within an alliance such that people always post their mails, whether kills or losses. ______________________________________________
"Smite the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered."
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Mauddib77
Zero Divide The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:36:00 -
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Where did this one go?
http://www.eve-trs.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11176
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Olex Grant
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mauddib77 Where did this one go? Kill Mail Link
Someone keeps deleting that loss.
Kill has been reposted.
If you have any missing kills/losses please contact me or Adril direct rather than on here. ______________________________________________
"Smite the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered."
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IronGoldenEagle
Destroyers Of the Freeworld THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:17:00 -
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It has been extremely fun to fight Huzzah again. I'm hoping for more as I seem to miss all the battles and get in on the ops where there is no battle . But I realy had forgotten how fun the small gan warfare was out here. Huzzah are not cowards and thats why I respect them as an enemy, and a couple as friends. They will jump into you even if you are superior in numbers. And they pull off wins from. I admire the allainces willing to throw themselves at bigger fleets (not saying either side is blobbing, cuz they not really). Huzzah please keep the fights coming and thank you for not stationing up 23/7.
Remember guys, its a KILLboard, you dont post LOSSES on a KILLboard. GAH!
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Ilany
BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.20 18:55:00 -
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The dreadnought has been returned and is in one of our corp hangars, as is a freighter that we captured (!) when one of your pilots ejected from it in Niarja last night.
As a show of good faith we will not delete the dreadnought killmail from our board, nor will we fabricate a killmail for the freighter.
Rest assured, our killboard is about as accurate as it gets. As Wusti said, we know that, you know that. Thank you to those who accept this and thank you Isira Aljazaki for the free Providence, Hulk and rigged Tristan. ------
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Mortecai
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:02:00 -
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/facepalm
Is this what I am coming back to? Page 2 on a whining thread about killmails not being posted? How lame can you get?
Just ST*U and shoot each other, will ya?
cya in space.
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Xorth Adimus
Caldari Zero Divide The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xorth Adimus Ah Syndicate 'the armpit region' the only really good thing about it is the pvp! Guess what we are here for!
TRS have had allot of fun fighting against the odds the last few weeks in lower Syndicate, holding our own solo against a number of larger coalitions which would always use larger fleets and always use caps and then stillcall for help and shockingly still fail on more then a few occasions.
This weekend one of our many old friends couldn't wait to drop by and join us to share in the fun and cap kills!
So who loses to clowns, clown shoes perhaps? Maybe you should post with your main and tell us?
Thanks for all the targets and making our visit so much more fun then we expected, it's been so good we extended it!
I was replying to some dirty alt posting c**p, not to huzzah?
I laugh at the idea of TRS 'blobbing' and 'smacking' when that is pretty much the opposite of how we play. I certainly wasn't directing anything at Huzzah or any other alliance so I am puzzled by the response.
There have always been a number of large coalitions that roam through Syndicate and like to try and play the numbers game, say they own the place ('own' npc space !) and still tragicly fail against TRS. I am sure you know what I mean and take great fun in killing them too.
I love you guys its all good fun, and the killboard shows it with an pretty even split! Good hunting.
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Khales
Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.20 23:38:00 -
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I love you guys its all good fun, and the killboard shows it with an pretty even split! Good hunting.
right: HUZZAH VS TRS kills 842 - 275
hope we can keep that even split.
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Wusti
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.21 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khales
I love you guys its all good fun, and the killboard shows it with an pretty even split! Good hunting.
right: HUZZAH VS TRS kills 842 - 275
hope we can keep that even split.
Khales - this quote is just completely inaccurate - pls do you proper research before making posts of this type. Current count HF on TRS is actually, according to our KB
632 (HF) v 268 (TRS) with HF holding a 53% or thereabouts efficiency (not including loaded freighter capture )
The figures quoted by Khales includes stats for Red Skull, THORN, Covenant, Controlled Chaos and Ocularis Inferno. Huzzah apologises for any inconvenience caused.
BTW @ Yendaj - don't worry darling I still wuv you! _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Echo VI
White Wolves Syndicate THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 02:02:00 -
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The circus may be starting in PC9, but it'll hit the road real soon. Stay tuned and you may get to see the fat bearded lady sing while we expertly juggle knives.
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Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.21 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Olex Grant
ii. Smack - in all my years of playing Eve, I don't believe I've ever seen smack on the level I have seen from these people.
Haha.
Guess people don't change.
A few are real cool though.
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Nytemaster
The Perfect Storm The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.21 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: El Covah
Nytemaster, please make your ppl aware of it so they stop writing our alliance leadership silly Mails. Anyhow I must admit reading those is fun.
Please send alliance leadership a copy of those mails so they can be properly dealt with. I am not an alliance leader.
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Kyguard
Forged from Fire
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Posted - 2008.10.21 04:08:00 -
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The HF killboard could use an updated isk value for ships especially t2. For example a rhea is only 1.5b on it, should be more 3-4 I believe.
Otherwise I've never seen a loss from us missing and I can say the same thing about red skull. -
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 21/10/2008 06:53:36 *removed* Found the item in question.
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Rajere
Vicious Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:51:00 -
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Hi!
Kyguard, brosef, kill you last ok? wtb more than 2 color options for negative standings, can't tell any of you apart :(
Quote: As a show of good faith we will not delete the dreadnought killmail from our board, nor will we fabricate a killmail for the freighter.
Rule of thumb we use is, "if the mail has the potential to appear on an enemy kb (meaning it has another player listed on it), then you must post the loss, regardless of the outcome of any petitions for reimbursement due to in game bugs/etc."
In my experience HF killboard is fairly accurate, I can't recall any issues in the past. However it seems your policy has been to remove lossmails that were reimbursed, so I can't say it's as accurate as it could be (such as ours.) How to Fail at Eve
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ChalSto
LOCKDOWN.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: the plague we will never give up the lag generator... myself and chribba are the only owners in eve.........
U wish
Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens." |
Rajere
Vicious Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 22:52:00 -
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Quote: PL has all the dyspro moons in syndicate fyi,
No, they don't. How to Fail at Eve
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Kyguard
Forged from Fire
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:46:00 -
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Shit Raj, lets nap ;O -
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Tiberious Marz
Minmatar Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.10.22 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xorth Adimus
I was replying to some dirty alt posting c**p, not to huzzah?
I laugh at the idea of TRS 'blobbing' and 'smacking' when that is pretty much the opposite of how we play. I certainly wasn't directing anything at Huzzah or any other alliance so I am puzzled by the response.
There have always been a number of large coalitions that roam through Syndicate and like to try and play the numbers game, say they own the place ('own' npc space !) and still tragicly fail against TRS. I am sure you know what I mean and take great fun in killing them too.
I love you guys its all good fun, and the killboard shows it with an pretty even split! Good hunting.
Not Blobbing? lol
and it is all good fun!!
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SajuurCor
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:34:00 -
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Kybear I'm gonna come get you. ________________
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Rajere
Vicious Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 05:54:00 -
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Sorry no naps, no blues. "kill you last" is the best I can do ^_^ How to Fail at Eve
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Kyguard
Forged from Fire
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: SajuurCor Kybear I'm gonna come get you.
I always knew deep down you loved me -
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Trellish
Ten Ton Hammer The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.23 07:36:00 -
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TBH, I don't really care about values on killboards. Granted HF uses quite low values for their kills while TRS has tried to be a bit closer to market value (though with still some missing values).... tbh though, it's an absolute nightmare trying to stay on top of that kind of thing and who really wants to spend their game time making sure those values are updated? I know we've killed some faction fit ships with mods that went through at a couple hundred k value.... Really though, who gives a flying flip? As long as the killboard is consistent... not valuing kills of a ship higher than losses of the same ship, and any changes made to values affect both sides, then it's all good. It's not like Killboards are ever really accurate in the first place. There's too much ability to juggle numbers...
For example, Huzzahs 91% efficiency ratio on their war dec campaign posted at the top of their killboard, made by limiting the systems and dates from which kills are pulled. The real ratio for those dates where all systems are included, per the details on their killboard is 48% versus thorn and 43% versus TRS as of the time of this writing.
Don't misunderstand me... I'm not criticizing them posting 91% efficiency based off that data... It's a legit efficiency based off the criteria they set. It only shows how possible it is to make stats say just about anything. I'm sure HF could point to ways in which TRS has done similar things of which I'm unaware. My point is though, that all of us are (or should be) aware of how valuable stats from killboards actually are. Mostly, they are just records of participation and have very little other value.
There've been calls on both sides accusing of not posting kills. Let's just drop it. We're both API'ed in... it's gonna mostly be there. Yes API's arent perfect. I know TRS had a day or so where our API was down due to some web work, during which we were accused of not posting stuff... I'm sure there's been similar situations for HF.
I'm signing off and going back to pew pew... I suggest you do the same. YARRR!
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Trellish For example, Huzzahs 91% efficiency ratio on their war dec campaign posted at the top of their killboard, made by limiting the systems and dates from which kills are pulled. The real ratio for those dates where all systems are included, per the details on their killboard is 48% versus thorn and 43% versus TRS as of the time of this writing.
This campaigns only measures the performance of the empire wars against TRS and Thorn. So the campaign is accurate in what it should show => all kills in empire.
And you cant take single alliances from the other campaign and single out there efficiency in this campaign. You can only take the efficiency of the campaign, which is at 61% right now. The 43% and 48% is because we have losses were both alliances are on the killmail. That boosts the efficiency of both alliances but all together its only 1 loss for us, not 2 ;-)
The API (and the feed syndication mod) are only a tool to see if people dont post there losses (and kills). Our standing order is that everyone has to post every kill and loss (excluding losses to NPCs only ). API isnt fool proof as there are sometimes losses not in the api although they happened. And losses reimbursed are in the API like the dread Yojimbow lost. But overall its a very very good tool, i remember back in our Catch days when i had to check all hostile and friendly killboards to find missing kills and losses and cross post them manually... that was a real pain in the ass ;-)
And to give a small update on the situation: We have declared war on thorn alliance. It started on Tuesday evening and i heard the first few hours were a lot of fun. Thorn learned there lesson and last evening was very quiet. Still some skirmishes in 0.0, hopefully there will be more action on the weekend.
The most important part: I have fun, lots of it. Thanks to TRS and Thorn for this ;-)
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Olex Grant
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Olex Grant on 23/10/2008 12:15:20 Edited by: Olex Grant on 23/10/2008 12:11:44 Banging on about killboards is tiresome and I'm sure everyone reading this thread is rolling their eyes over it's continual appearance.
However, at the risk of boring everyone even more, and because our foes keep bringing it up, I'd like to make a point or two.
i. The killboard that we, Thorn and TRS use excludes module values in calculating efficiency.
ii. Faction Ships - someone mentioned our killboard undervaluing them, I assume you're referring to the Lockdown Tempest Fleet Issue kill you made, to which our KB attributed a value of 340m (net of fittings and insurance payout remember). At the time I checked this value to contracts in Jita and found an average of value of 385.4M which makes our killboardĘs valuation, net of insurance payout, somewhat high if anything.
Also remember that values are reflected on both kills and losses, meaning the net effect, efficiency-wise is probably negligible.
All this getting hung up on killboards is ridiculous, although (at the risk of getting flamed) my personal opinion is that some Red Skull members in particular (and the ones most vocal on the subject) have a fundamental lack of understanding of how the KBs work and how the stats they calculate are arrived at and what they mean (for example looking at Huzzah on their KB and thinking that the efficiency shown was theirs not ours).
In short, there is no attempt on our part to intentionally manipulate KB stats at all and if anyone has any problems with them, as I've previously stated, please contaact Adril or me directly in game rather than attempt to drag the issue into CAOD like so much dirty laundry to wave at us and the rest of Eve erroneously.
Can we move on now ? ______________________________________________
"Smite the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered."
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:14:00 -
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What a terrible thread. Imagine actually being in one of these deadbeat alliances!
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Mortecai
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mortecai on 23/10/2008 13:43:13
Please, can you guys stop the kb whining. You guys really make yourself look like stat whoring carebears. It used to be that you guys actually wrote about interesting stuff and and not meta-gaming killboard "my stats are bigger than yours oh no they are not cause our ISK kills are bigger that yours cause we keep the prices correct" chestbeating. Find that old "you" again, it's hard to respect pilots that live in "killboard" mode, allies or not.
Edit: Olex in his last post mentioned all this already, but I think he was to subtle.
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Guru
Woopatang The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mortecai Edited by: Mortecai on 23/10/2008 13:43:13
Please, can you guys stop the kb whining. You guys really make yourself look like stat whoring carebears. It used to be that you guys actually wrote about interesting stuff and and not meta-gaming killboard "my stats are bigger than yours oh no they are not cause our ISK kills are bigger that yours cause we keep the prices correct" chestbeating. Find that old "you" again, it's hard to respect pilots that live in "killboard" mode, allies or not.
Edit: Olex in his last post mentioned all this already, but I think he was to subtle.
lol very true.. I could care less about a kb tbh personally.. In fact I think a kb is a tactical disadvantage.. but thats another debate...
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