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BeardedPostman	Posted - 2008.10.20 03:49:00 - [1] So my friends and i have only been playing eve for a little while but we have been talking about all the different MMO's and how they level skills and we have been kinda disappointed in how ridiculous it is to level in eve. I am sure that i am not the only one thinking that you should be able to level quicker. It keeps people playing the game. Maybe you should get a bonus towards skills that you use such as getting skill points towards turrets when you use a turret or towards missiles when you use them. There could even be some skill points that you get from killing npc's. I know that with the advantage of grinding more people would play and newer players would keep playing.
Strill	Posted - 2008.10.20 03:56:00 - [2] Grinding = bad. There's lots of people who play this game specifically because you can't increase your skills by grinding.
BeardedPostman	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:11:00 - [3] yeah but its pretty bad that a player that actually puts time into a game cant get better than people that never play and just train. Besides it wouldnt limit the players that just want to train, it would just reward players that do play.
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Nnamuachs on 20/10/2008 04:59:27 Originally by: BeardedPostman yeah but its pretty bad that a player that actually puts time into a game cant get better than people that never play and just train. Besides it wouldnt limit the players that just want to train, it would just reward players that do play. so then grind for isk and buy faction/deadspace/officer ships/mods so that for all intents and purposes you are better to some degree.. problem solved /thread Jerk Edit: Also.. i don't think someone should be rewarded for having no life
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.20 05:05:00 - [5] This is not WoW. You are not "better" because you have a higher SP total. SP will not give you wealth, fame, or power. Time gives you skillpoints, playing gives you the above (wealth, fame and power) Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.20 09:46:00 - [6] No, this is not Oblolvion.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.20 09:54:00 - [7] Originally by: BeardedPostman yeah but its pretty bad that a player that actually puts time into a game cant get better than people that never play and just train. Besides it wouldnt limit the players that just want to train, it would just reward players that do play. Wrong eve is the only MMO i know of that a good, skilled and well setup low SP team of players can defeat a less skilled and poorly setup higher SP team, in fact in most MMO games a gang of lower level players cannot even hit a higher level player. In eve team work > SP (at least for now).
BeardedPostman	Posted - 2008.10.20 17:06:00 - [8] And this is why CCP will not get the sales like what WOW has. When you allow new players to enter a game easier you dont lose them, because they feel like they are going to accomplish something. EVE is the only MMO that wont allow you to level by grinding. That is the sole reason they dont have allot of people playing this game.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.10.20 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: BeardedPostman And this is why CCP will not get the sales like what WOW has. When you allow new players to enter a game easier you dont lose them, because they feel like they are going to accomplish something. EVE is the only MMO that wont allow you to level by grinding. That is the sole reason they dont have allot of people playing this game. My big problem with Eve is that it doesn't allow you to play scantily clad elves. Bearded, please continue to tell us why we're fools for not playing WoW in space. I don't get enough of that.
ShadowDraqon Awesome Industries Group	Posted - 2008.10.20 17:25:00 - [10] Originally by: BeardedPostman EVE is the only MMO that wont allow you to level by grinding. And that is what makes it unique and different from all the other :[profanity]: out there. It means having a life outside the game does not put you at a disadvantage. Grinding is bad, k? ______________________ I got killed for my kindness no, rly
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.10.20 17:28:00 - [11] Not to be a jerkoff, but i really dont think this is the game for you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
NuklearWinter Land Pirates IN SPACE Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:22:00 - [12] Ok, maybe the grinding would not work out, but he does bring up a good point about skillpoints. No matter how many skillpoints you have, you are never ahead of anyone else. People playing longer will ALWAYS have more skills than you and thus access to better gear. You never feel like you can get ahead of another person. Sure you could buy faction gear, but that is an immense amount of ISK to sink into a single ship that will more than likely die the moment you meet someone who has more skillpoints and has been playing longer. It just feels like a huge barrier before you can get the gear and skillpoints to remotely have a chance at killing the other player with a higher number of skillpoints.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.10.20 20:35:00 - [13] Originally by: BeardedPostman And this is why CCP will not get the sales like what WOW has. CCP's concept of a single server would not even support such an amount of players. CCP deliberately designed a game for a small group of players. CCP does not even want the sales that WoW has. That's like a 15 year plan so the hardware can develop to the point of being able to support 10 million players on a single server. Having 10 million people paying you 10 to 15 bucks a month is nice. But it also requires a big dev team, a major system operations team, a large customer supports department, etc, etc. But talk about MMO economies and it's EVE that's mentioned. Talk about MMO servers, EVE. Player retention, EVE. Best PvP, EVE (MMORPG.COM's yearly votes, several years running #1). Best Dev/customer relations, EVE. From a dev perspective: Why aspire to WoW's sales? All they have is several million people on the forums telling them they're doing a bad job with each patch. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
BeardedPostman	Posted - 2008.10.20 20:53:00 - [14] From a dev perspective: Why aspire to WoW's sales? Hmm well lets see sales keep games running and WOW makes about 1.8 billion a year from there players. 10million players x 15$ a month for 12 months you do the math. I would say that getting new players to join and helping them get into the game and over all have more fun is worth it. All you guys that have posted on this probably have been playing this game for along time so you just dont want newer people to catch up to you. And on the other note i have never played WOW, im not into fantasy games i like sci-fi.
ShadowDraqon Awesome Industries Group	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:02:00 - [15] You'd have crowded systems, traffic jams and lag rather than a great game? Space is supposed to be mostly empty anyways. ______________________ I got killed for my kindness no, rly
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:07:00 - [16] So, what you're saying is that to get the LOLWTF money WoW has, EVE should completely strip away it's originality and instead make it grinding based so no-life 24/7 playing new players can get 50 million sp in contrast to the other people who spend years? EVE = not for you (for some reason my troll sense is tingling, could it possibly be a TRAP?)
ShadowDraqon Awesome Industries Group	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:12:00 - [17] IT'S A TRAP! ______________________ I got killed for my kindness no, rly
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Best Dev/customer relations, EVE.
Tykkis	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:47:00 - [19] I think it's time to increase starting SP again. Maybe 1 mil to learning. Or 25% increased learning speed for first month payment.
StuckToon Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.20 22:01:00 - [20] /me votes yes i'd love to turn my eve into macro skillup pwnmobilez in space
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.10.20 23:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 20/10/2008 23:38:19 Originally by: BeardedPostman Hmm well lets see sales keep games running and WOW makes about 1.8 billion a year from there players. 10million players x 15$ a month for 12 months you do the math. I would say that getting new players to join and helping them get into the game and over all have more fun is worth it. It's one of the charms of EVE. CCP caters to a niche market. They've been doing it for 5 years and despite various and recent accusations I've yet to see a development shift towards the big bucks. They have a steady income and go down in the history books as the first company to run an MMO on a single server with reasonable succes. I could live with that. And you can catch up. If I have 10 million in each race, thus 40 mil total and you have 15 million in one race, you will have the advantage even though I have 25 million more SP. 10 2 million SP chars (~1 month old chars) can, with the proper ships and fittings, take on a 50 million SP character. Finally, 10,000 people started in 2003. People are always acting as if everyone is 5 years old with 100 million+ SP while in reality as of Q3/2007: ~240k chars less then 1 million SP ~45k chars 1 to 2 million SP ~15k chars 2 to 3 million SP ~20k chars 3 to 5 million SP ~40k chars 5 to 10 million SP ~50k chars 10 to 20 million SP ~25k chars 20 to 30 million SP ~10k chars 30 to 40 million SP ~1k chars 40 to 60 million SP and a whopping 191 left of the day 1 players with 70+ million. As for WoW and it's likes, if you're one month old you can't even hit someone a certain amount of levels above you. Let alone kill. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.10.20 23:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 21/10/2008 00:02:38 Originally by: BeardedPostman yeah but its pretty bad that a player that actually puts time into a game cant get better than people that never play and just train. Besides it wouldnt limit the players that just want to train, it would just reward players that do play. Uhm, I beg to differ. You're focused on SP, but although SP are important, it's not the only important thing. Being 'better' with regard to SP doesn't really mean being better in the game. High SP only mean that you can do something, or more than the other guy. But only actually doing things lets you achieve your goals, makes you rich or well known. Let's take a look at some professions: Miner A miner who doesn't play is actually a poor miner. That's about it. If you don't macromine, which is against the rules, an active miner is the one with the Hulk and the cash. Trader A trader without cash is a poor trader. That's also about it. If you don't put time into trading, you won't reap the profits. PvP'er A PvP'er who doesn't play doesn't gather experience. He also doesn't have fun, since SP and ships are merely the tools of having fun for a killer. So the high SP guy has an advantage skill-wise and therefore ship-wise, yes. But for one thing it doesn't take more than a couple of months to be PvP competitive and for another thing he might still lose to the active low SP guy due to lack of experience and crappy fitting. Mission-runner An active mission runner has the cash to buy and fit a Navy Raven. Enough said Scientist An inactive scientist can actually do long time research jobs and gather RP. So yeah, you might be right regarding this profession. But then again, a R&D char doesn't do that much anyway and in most cases is an alt. However yes, you can't easily catch up to a high SP industrial char, except for some things that involve a lot of cash, like buying a T2 BPO or other expensive BPOs. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Syberbolt8 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.21 00:20:00 - [23] Originally by: NuklearWinter Ok, maybe the grinding would not work out, but he does bring up a good point about skillpoints. No matter how many skillpoints you have, you are never ahead of anyone else. People playing longer will ALWAYS have more skills than you and thus access to better gear. You never feel like you can get ahead of another person. Sure you could buy faction gear, but that is an immense amount of ISK to sink into a single ship that will more than likely die the moment you meet someone who has more skillpoints and has been playing longer. It just feels like a huge barrier before you can get the gear and skillpoints to remotely have a chance at killing the other player with a higher number of skillpoints. Having more skill points then someone else doesn't make you better then them, or worse for that matter. The simple point is its not how many skill points you have, but rather how they are put into play, for instance, I am a 26 mil sp pilot, yes I can pvp, mine, rat, trade, fly capitals, etc, but at the end of the day, when I am in my ishtar (gallente hac) the guy who has specialized in flying hac's and flys them all the time might only have 15 mil sp, but I can bet you unless he does something wrong he is going to beat me. In this game its not how many SP you have, sure more sp gives more options but at the end of the day, player skill, ships fitting, and more now then ever team work will win the day, not SP. As far as better gear or equipment for older players thats not true either, most types of t2 weapons, armor, shield, ew, drones, etc only takes a few weeks to months to train into, yes that seems like a lot, but tbh your not going to use 1/2 the stuff most of the high sp players have access to atm anyway, and if you ever want to, just change your training to reflect your new choice of equipment to use. EvE has the most intresting and in depth skill system in the MMO world, and I would hate for that to be ruined because someone wanted to grind guns to lvl 3, its just not that type of game. Im Looking for a new Home

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