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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.26 02:47:00 -
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Eve Chribba agrees that the orca needs some form of ore compression.
 Originally by: Chribba
But yeah I see your point, and ofc I'd back up any change involving the Orca to get at least one assembly line for compression obviously.
/signed yes? 
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.26 02:48:00 -
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As somebody who doesn't mine and really just wants a mini-freighter, I could careless what it does with ore  .
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Misanth
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Posted - 2008.10.26 02:52:00 -
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I was hoping two things with the Orca. One was to get ore compression. The other to get some 100k base hold for hauling (seeing as the Iteron mk5 gets ~50k the Orca needs to hit near or above 100k to be useful as a transport ship).
No compression and 90k with max skills and/or fits? 
It's not a crap ship, but it doesn't deliver what I hoped either.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 26/10/2008 03:02:53
I was hoping for 120k cargo and maybe a decent ship bay...
that said, I think mineral compression would just really destroy one of the two not-useless abilities the Rorqual's got left(other being jumpdrive)
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:17:00 -
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The thing is, it's not meant solely for mining. It also fills the niche of being a bridge between industrial haulers and freighters. It's also allowed in highsec, which means that it cannot be too similar or as powerful as it's 0.0 counterpart. So it's give and take.
So if you really do want ore compression, what are YOU willing to remove from it to compensate?
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
As somebody who doesn't mine and really just wants a mini-freighter, I could careless what it does with ore .
An advise, buy a full freighter. If the only thing you want is to haul, forget the Orca.
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Dark 'Shadow
Shadow Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dark ''Shadow on 26/10/2008 03:25:08
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Artemis Rose
As somebody who doesn't mine and really just wants a mini-freighter, I could careless what it does with ore .
An advise, buy a full freighter. If the only thing you want is to haul, forget the Orca.
Why not? Some of us don't want a ship that takes 2 minutes to go through a single system, and the Orca seems like a nice alternative albeit a tad small for some things.
Edit: Scratch that 2 minute thing, takes longer than that, about 50-60 seconds just to align for a gate.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
An advise, buy a full freighter. If the only thing you want is to haul, forget the Orca.
The thing is, though the freighter is bigger, it also makes for a delicious target, and it's a sitting duck if you're alone. The Orca fits in nicely that it can carry a LOT more and it can deffend itself to an extent. A much LARGER extent then a freighter.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:26:00 -
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Why does the Orca need ore compression? The Roqu needs it because low and null sec, you have entire areas where there are no statsions. In High sec, its not uncommon for a system to have 5-10 stations PER system in it. Ore compression is about transportation to a location where the minerals can be extracted from the ore, High sec is an enviroment where such a tool is redundent.
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Xiaodown
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Ore compression is about transportation to a location where the minerals can be extracted from the ore, High sec is an enviroment where such a tool is redundent.
Not to be glib, but "the station" is a location where minerals can be extracted and "the asteroid belt" is somewhere not "the station". |
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Eve Chribba agrees that the orca needs some form of ore compression.
Originally by: Chribba
But yeah I see your point, and ofc I'd back up any change involving the Orca to get at least one assembly line for compression obviously.
/signed yes?
Whist simply quoting a popular player and typing /signed is a compelling argument, its not enough for me to agree. No Orca compression for me thanks. |
Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xiaodown
Not to be glib, but "the station" is a location where minerals can be extracted and "the asteroid belt" is somewhere not "the station".
Except that "the station" is just a quick minute away in high-sec versus 2 systems over in 0.0 space. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.10.26 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Ore compression is about transportation to a location where the minerals can be extracted from the ore, High sec is an enviroment where such a tool is redundent.
Not to be glib, but "the station" is a location where minerals can be extracted and "the asteroid belt" is somewhere not "the station".
Even the Roqu lacks the ability to refine ore into minerals, only compress them. As I said before the reason that ship can compress ore is for transportation over great distances to its ultimate location to be refined into minerals. High sec has so many locations per system where that can be done theres having any sort of compresson or refinement on the Orca is lazyness.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.10.26 04:27:00 -
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As I said in the other Orca needs <insert item>
Orca is not out, that said I think it will change high sec and we need to see by how much.
Also what you are asking for should be a T2 Orca not the T1 ship.
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I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu |
Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Why does the Orca need ore compression? The Roqu needs it because low and null sec, you have entire areas where there are no statsions. In High sec, its not uncommon for a system to have 5-10 stations PER system in it. Ore compression is about transportation to a location where the minerals can be extracted from the ore, High sec is an enviroment where such a tool is redundent.
Mine much with moar than an ibis and level 1 osprey eh?  If you had taken the time to look up the plethora of threads about this subject you would understand why the orca without even basic ore compression for only high sec ores is redundant to just using a bc with the cycle time link and miner II. Mining link on the bc gives nearly the same bonus and once you throw in the miner II its pretty much a draw with the bc taking scads less isk and training time to use. Yes that 90k+ m3 cargobay and the 30k m3 corp hanger sounds like an arseload of room for ore but the reality is that on a normal mining op the orca is going to have its cargobay filled in minutes. So the average 5 man mining op of 4 hulks and a rigged hauler is going to have to find a sixth man to make an orca a worthwhile addition. Well thats not very efficient and usable for a small corp yes? How about we introduce a new pvp ship that requires a small gang to add an additional member to make it viable? What!? Teh forums just melted under all the emoragequit threads about who the **** ccp thinks it is telling pvpers how to organize thier gang? Plz..
Originally by: Constance Harme
Originally by: Zeba
Eve Chribba agrees that the orca needs some form of ore compression.
Originally by: Chribba
But yeah I see your point, and ofc I'd back up any change involving the Orca to get at least one assembly line for compression obviously.
/signed yes?
Whist simply quoting a popular player and typing /signed is a compelling argument, its not enough for me to agree. No Orca compression for me thanks.
I'd pay attention to your poast but you just did the same thing you accused me of thanks. Now come back with a compelling argument about why the orca should not have ore compression and I might give you the benefit of the doubt.  |
Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
that said, I think mineral compression would just really destroy one of the two not-useless abilities the Rorqual's got left(other being jumpdrive)
Noooo! No mineral compression! Only some basic high sec ore compression to not have to sacrifice a few hulks for haulers to make the orca an efficient addition to a small mining op.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Noooo! No mineral compression! Only some basic high sec ore compression to not have to sacrifice a few hulks for haulers to make the orca an efficient addition to a small mining op.
After reading your post above this, you make a decent point. Fair enough, I will offer my stamp of approval, if the rorqual gets additional love soon(tm).
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.26 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
An advise, buy a full freighter. If the only thing you want is to haul, forget the Orca.
True.
The freighter is too big though, I tend to keep 4-5 ships on hand so I could pack it in the Orca and move them around and around. I'm not hauling for an army, or packed to the brim with goods, just an outlaw and his stuff.
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T'nuk
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Posted - 2008.10.26 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
I was hoping two things with the Orca. One was to get ore compression. The other to get some 100k base hold for hauling (seeing as the Iteron mk5 gets ~50k the Orca needs to hit near or above 100k to be useful as a transport ship).
No compression and 90k with max skills and/or fits?
It's not a crap ship, but it doesn't deliver what I hoped either.
100951.31 with max fittings, including some tech2 rigs and lvl5 skill
It would be very expensive no doubt, but there you go
Speculative at this point, but if it can hold assembled giant containers, you could place 33 of those pretties in and have a 130651.31 cargo hold for minerals and such
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.26 08:27:00 -
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I dont see the point of giving it compression, thats what Rorqual's for. |
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AeonOfTime
Minmatar
Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.26 09:02:00 -
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/signed.
As a purely highsec miner, having a ship at hand that can support my gang and do ore compression and that also acts as a pretty nice hauler would be a tremendous asset to have.
I don't care much about the rorqual at all, as I don't have access to lowsec/nullsec. Besides, having a ship that does compression and does not need a bunch of capital skills to train can only be good imo. If I can spare that training time alone I am already immensely grateful.
Anyway, why bash on players that don't play the way you do? You don't want the Orca to have ore compression? Fine, tell us why and we can have a converstaion. EVE caters to a lot of playstyles, there is no need to get all aggressive about it, sheesh. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.26 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: T'nuk
100951.31 with max fittings, including some tech2 rigs and lvl5 skill
It would be very expensive no doubt, but there you go
Speculative at this point, but if it can hold assembled giant containers, you could place 33 of those pretties in and have a 130651.31 cargo hold for minerals and such
Fair enough, I've been too lazy to check the exact figures.
Either way, I'll just agree with what Zeba said *points at above*.
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.10.26 11:05:00 -
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I'd rather have it made so that freighters can dock with it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.26 11:19:00 -
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I was hoping for a ship with the agility of a cruiser, the tank of a dreadnought, the cargohold of a freighter, the maintenance bay of a mothership, 8/8/8/3 slot layout, ability to use covops cloak and the pricetag of a shuttle.
Seems neither of us gets their wishes.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:19:00 -
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The only thing i wished for the orca to have was the mega-maid transformation. Sadly it does not have this.  |
Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:29:00 -
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The hangar itself is very good tbh. Good enough that if it wasn't for the fact that I don't have any industrial skills at all I'd consider training for one. Moving all your ships easily around high sec ftw.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:30:00 -
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Maybe one module per ore type, this would include all three varieties in the module. So the Mining op will have to decide between mining links, tractor beam and ore compression modules. Might even add another high slot to balance the magnitude of that limitation.
Personally I am against unrestricted ore compression in highsec, this should be the sole perk of the Rorqual.
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Fulber
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
I dont see the point of giving it compression, thats what Rorqual's for.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
The only thing i wished for the orca to have was the mega-maid transformation. Sadly it does not have this.
Maybe we'll see it in tech 3. ;)
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Holly Wildstar
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Posted - 2008.10.26 16:02:00 -
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There's plenty of high sec systems with zero stations in them and that are multiple jumps to the nearest station to refine. Give the Orca 1 compression line and people will spread out to these systems. Leave it as is and we will just stay cluttered together stripping the systems with stations.
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