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Hito-Shura
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:37:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Hito-Shura wrote:Cailais wrote:
*(A quick online search tells me that World Autism Awareness Day was on Monday, which supports the above analysis).
C.
Wait. It was? When was this? Where was I when this happened? I think you were busy counting stuff.
You'd think that but I don't remember what I was doing yesterday, even.
It wasn't counting stuff...maybe it was my space laundry... |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
143
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:41:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just stick to your burger flipping and you will be fine.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:You should stick to flipping burgers.
LOLWUT You in the wrong thread son, this is for the assburgers, victims of Alzheimer is down the hall. Don't worry, I'll keep flipping the bergers in here. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:44:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Kattshiro wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:in the 90s no one heard of autism, assburgers and many other diseases
SUDDENLY 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!! zomg 9 in 10 people have autism just like the obesity "epidemic" suddenly everyone has a disease that no one heard of 10 or 20 years ago.
my advice, try and be like the 90s was because maybe its the food people eat and the way they don't exercise as much. eat fatty foods like we did in the 80s and 90s, play outside every day or so turn off your cell phone for a few hours a day ect. Could also be the fact that they re examined the guidelines of what exactly autism is. They broaden it and surprise! More people were diagnosed. It's like if you cast a larger net you can catch more fish! Even CDC reports reflect this in plain English... "Dear public vaccines do not cause autism... The reason more people have autism is because they redefined what it is, and who fits under it"... Seriously go look up how general the definition is now. IT MUST BE SOMETHING IN THE AIR!!! /sigh... So mercury isn't a neurotoxin now, zippy? Thimerosal did not contain mercury? Of course, I have to say the exact cause cited... because Rule #1 of doing the idiot roll is to never argue facts, never bring up facts, just be condescending.... like you know what you are talking about, which you don't. But the doses were too low! Cause, you know, one year old baby resistance to neurotoxins is honestly probably higher than a full grown mans! Just saying. Ya know. It just makes sense! Of course, they still stopped using it. But you know, a bunch of people said it was dangerous, and then the medical industry stopped using it. My mamma always said, were there is smoke, there certainly ain't fire! Anyone who tells you different, they probably is lying to you! Oh, and zippy, vaccines in general.... you know, not nearly safe as you think. Normal product liability is suspended for vaccines in the United States. You want to know what *BLEEP* they replaced it with? Use google. Cool story bro. I mean it is a story. Also names not Zippy, Champ.
Thanks for arguing the facts. Oh wait, I meant doing the idiot roll. Good slave! Master give good slave a cookie!
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:44:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:Remember, you can always ignore people who offend you. This is just a game.
Personally speaking, I would never refer to someone, even in a game as an 'aspie' 'sperg' etc.
I do understand for for some it makes them feel that they are part of a 'cool tough gang' with their own special argot.
Is there a corp/alliance in Eve which seems to get off on this 'tough guy' talk?
I find it childish amd spiteful rather than offensive as such.
Having seen such terms used so often in thse forums, I have pretty much come to ignore it. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:47:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just stick to your burger flipping and you will be fine.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:You should stick to flipping burgers. LOLWUT You in the wrong thread son, this is for the assburgers, victims of Alzheimer is down the hall. Don't worry, I'll keep flipping the bergers in here.
Thank you for calling me 'son' it has been some time since anyone called me that
Heck, I will even give you a like for the compliment |

Steveir
Hagukure Empire Industry
36
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:17:00 -
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My wife who works with autistic kids has a saying that we are all on the autistic spectrum somewhere :)
As for the trolls, they just like using hurtful words. However, just remember its a word. Call anyone in real life a carebear and they will think you are nuts, call them that in Eve and get wardecced :) |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
204
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:26:00 -
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My guess is that autism and especially Asperger's have been in the media a lot lately. Especially Asperger's can be seen as an extreme of traits that every person recognizes in themselves and others, so it has become a sort of catchphrase for a particular personality trait. I do not find this very nice, not to the people with actual Asperger's diagnosis, and not to the people called so for no reason. Maybe it's because of my RL profession (related to mental health), but I generally do not like using medical diagnoses for any other purpose than their actual use. But there's people in the world and in EVE who don't give a damn about "nice", unfortunately.
I'd recommend report/petition the usage whenever you see it. Unlike some people want to present it, petitioning someone for something you find offensive or nasty does not mean you are "taking it too seriously" or whatever. You do not even have to be particularly upset about something to consider it something you'd rather not have as part of the communication culture of a game you enjoy. |

Janus Nightmare
ECP Incorporated
6
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:51:00 -
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Shogun Archer wrote:I wouldn't let it bother you, I know that sounds trite, but it's really the best thing you can do. And actually, being in my 20's in the 90's. I can recall the use of the word "gay" as meaning something lame etc... Even though it sounds like it was slur of gay people, most people I knew were VERY liberal minded that used it and hung out with gay ppl quite often.
Thing is, I just don't think you can train or force people to use only language that is unoffensive to everyone. There is always going to be something offensive to someone.
Best thing you can do is block em, report em if you find it necessary (if they are personally attacking you), or best yet, ignore them.
Btw, your portrait is awesome.
heh. years and years ago I played Day of Defeat religiously, and when I was admin on a few servers one of the things that always would result in a kick was players using the word gay in a derogatory manner. Admittedly we had some pretty strict rules because the servers were supposed to be family friendly, and they were quite popular. But being gay, using that term in the game always got under my skin.
Now, however, being older and wiser, I realized I just don't give a **** anymore. It tells me more about the person who uses terms like that to intentionally be offensive than their silence would, so these days I figure what the hell, if you're going to be a bigot, I'd rather know it right off the bat.
As far as autistic being used in an offensive manner, however, that's pretty much moving beyond ignorance into downright hate. I don't know that much can be done about it unless the GM's make a rule about it, but seriously, we've gotten to the point of mocking medical conditions now?
I mean, I laugh when people call me a gimp because of my arthritis (now gone after knee replacement surgery) but it's only ever said in good, clean fun. Mocking autism is just plain mean, however, and frankly I wouldn't mind seeing the GM's take a stand on the issue. Would like it, in fact. |

Andrea Griffin
220
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:05:00 -
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Pyrus Octavius wrote:Some people are just d*cks. This game breeds so much hate. It disgusts me. It isn't the game itself - it is the relative anonymity of the Internet. You can see this behavior changing all over the place and not just in Eve. People who weren't raised with a decent moral compass and sense of accountability will act as has been described in this thread when they are able to hide behind a mask.
We could go on forever about what is causing it - is it society, bad parenting, a vague "just the times we live in" - but in general dicks are going to be dicks whenever they think they can get away with it. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:22:00 -
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About two weeks ago a student in the UK was jailed for 56 days for making racist tweets on Twitter (an equally public forum in legal terms, I would expect). Those tweets fall under the UK's hate crime laws;
"Hate crimes are any crimes that are targeted at a person because of hostility or prejudice towards that personGÇÖs: - disability - race or ethnicity - religion or belief - sexual orientation - transgender identity"
Recognise a few of them in the EVE universe? If I was CCP, I would be worried.
The UK is by no means alone in establishing those kind of laws. I understand that if you were raised in the US, under the age of 21 and hang out on certain internet forums you may believe that that kind of behaviour is acceptable. The person you are talking to may not have had the same upbringing and may find it offensive.
The solution is not "oh they are idiots, ignore them". My yardstick is, if someone said that in front of my 12 year-old nephew & niece, what would I think? They have to learn that 50% (I guesstimate) of the player base does not share their upbringing or cultural values, and engage in smacktalk (we have a fine tradition of ****-taking in the UK but it is not like US smack-talk, I have played FPS on Xbox for years, I know the diff). Also they may be talking to a child.
The closest analogy to the OP is the 80's UK slang of calling people mongs, spacks or joeys -- essentially mocking people because of a disability. You can ask Ricky Jervais how well that translates in modern Britain (it doesn't). Call someone the N word in certain areas of London and you have a high probability of spending the night in hospital, I don't care what colour you are.
Cultural differences are one thing, but CCP has legal liability in multiple territories so has a moral as well as legal responsibility to stamp this out.
Ultimately, what would the game lose as a result? Not much, if anything. What would it gain? A lot.
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:25:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote:we have a fine tradition of ****-taking in the UK
QFT Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:32:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Bob Bedala wrote:we have a fine tradition of ****-taking in the UK
QFT
"Extracting the urine" does not fall under the above law. |

Andrea Griffin
221
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:34:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote:About two weeks ago a student in the UK was jailed for 56 days for making racist tweets on Twitter (an equally public forum in legal terms, I would expect). [...] I understand that if you were raised in the US, under the age of 21 and hang out on certain internet forums you may believe that that kind of behaviour is acceptable. Actually, it doesn't matter if you were raised in the US. Acting like an ass isn't acceptable. We just don't feel the need for the government to censor our speech. It opens the door to a lot of future government abuse. Hate speech could eventually start to cover "anything negative about the government", for example; and don't say that it hasn't happened before. It has. Even in the USA, despite our much-valued freedom of speech.
Even if in the US we don't get thrown in jail for spewing that kind of crap - there's enough people in society that will look at you and say, "Dude, what the hell? What is wrong with you? Grow up." But that only works if people can respond directly to you. As I said above, when you can hide behind some make up internet name somewhere, a **** is going to be a **** no matter what.
I don't know if I would want to change that, though - at least not through legislation. Legislation can't affect the way people think, it only punishes them for what they do (if they get caught). If you want to really fix the problem then you need to change the underlying behavior and thinking process. Laws don't do that - unless you want to start state-run brain-washing camps, and that's a door I never want to open. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Andrea Griffin
221
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:34:00 -
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I managed to double post, derp. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:36:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Bob Bedala wrote:we have a fine tradition of ****-taking in the UK
QFT "Extracting the urine" does not fall under the above law.
Well I guess the bathroom pub bandit in Birmingham can have a sigh of relief Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
111
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:37:00 -
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The "ohforpeetssakes" award thread of the day Would you like a kitten? |

Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:41:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:We just don't feel the need for the government to censor our speech. It opens the door to a lot of future government abuse.
UK laws regarding what you can say on broadcast media are more "free" than the US (I assume you are referring to the US), so, no
Andrea Griffin wrote:Hate speech could eventually start to cover "anything negative about the government"
Could, if, but, maybe, tinfoil hat -- no
Andrea Griffin wrote:Legislation can't affect the way people think, it only punishes them for what they do (if they get caught)
Yes it can, it makes people think "why is this wrong?". Ask another twitter guy who profusely apologised once the Police turned up at his door and gave him a warning
Despite that, I do agree with your overall points. But they are tangental to the main thrust of my argument
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Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:43:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote:
The "ohforpeetssakes" award thread of the day
Lawyers don't really see that as an acceptable counter  |

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:45:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Bob Bedala wrote: "Extracting the urine" does not fall under the above law.
Well I guess the bathroom pub bandit in Birmingham can have a sigh of relief
Thank God for Vice Magazine  Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |

Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
65
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:50:00 -
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Quote:Kaitlin smithson][quote=Hito-Shura]I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control
And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.
Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.
And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?[/quote
who knows bro? all I know is I have a niece and nephew with autism and it's sad that they have it but it brings a "normal" being to tears seeing how they can do things still that other kids can do. Congrats for your achievements in life. I guess some people are fortunate enough in life not to have any relatives or loved ones with any conditions such as autism. I've seen it all in life from relatives and friends dying of all types of cancer, ALS aka Lou Gehrig's disease and other ailments besides the unfortunate accidents in combat and regular life. I don't wish it upon anyone but the world needs to wake up and smell the roses because it may hit them one day and won't they feel like **** for mocking it.
Blow it off man. What you have accomplished is a testament to how you no different than the rest of us. The subject has been plastered all over the news lately and is the latest thing the media is whoring for ratings. The numbskulls pick it up and run with it..simple as that On a personal note in my big family (7 uncles 3 aunts) 4 of my cousins children are high functioning Asperger's with a 5th autistic. These children are a source of endless joy. Sure there are trying times for all of us but we all pull together & it works out Keep your head up & report idiots as stated in other posts. If your continually harassed look me up in game & it will be dealt with Peace Max Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:51:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote: Ask another twitter guy who profusely apologised once the Police turned up at his door and gave him a warning I'd bet that he apologized because he felt he should and needed to, not because the police visit changed his mind about what he felt. He's sorry about what he did only because he was punished for it. Just like any other criminal or celebrity that does something ********
And no, not tin-foiling about being jailed by speaking out against the government. I'll quote part of the text that I linked earlier, because you didn't read it and I want to show you that it has indeed happened:Quote:The Sedition Act of 1918 (Pub.L. 65-150, 40 Stat. 553, enacted May 16, 1918) was an Act of the United States Congress that extended the Espionage Act of 1917 to cover a broader range of offenses, notably speech and the expression of opinion that cast the government or the war effort in a negative light or interfered with the sale of government bonds. One historian of American civil liberties has called it "the nation's most extreme antispeech legislation.
It forbade the use of "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. Those convicted under the act generally received sentences of imprisonment for 5 to 20 years. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to refuse to deliver mail that met those same standards for punishable speech or opinion. It applied only to times "when the United States is in war." It was repealed on December 13, 1920. Also, need I bring up China? What about Iran? Not only does it happen today, but it has happened since we started recording history. It can happen again - anywhere - and throwing someone in jail for a few unacceptable, distasteful (but harmless) tweets is proof of that
And I do mean harmless. If as adults we're support to be able to communicate without using offensive language, then we should also be capable of not freaking out when someone else does. That doesn't make it acceptable, but they're just words and they only have the power we give to them. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
112
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:52:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote:Zixie Draco wrote:
The "ohforpeetssakes" award thread of the day
Lawyers don't really see that as an acceptable counter 
Would you like a kitten? |

Ghoest
319
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:53:00 -
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Bob Bedala wrote:Andrea Griffin wrote:We just don't feel the need for the government to censor our speech. It opens the door to a lot of future government abuse. UK laws regarding what you can say on broadcast media are more "free" than the US (I assume you are referring to the US), so, no
Thats not true. In the US broadcast entertainment has restrictions. But news media has essentially no restrictions and additionally through public means you are allowed to say anything - although you are liable for slander if somone can prove you lied about them. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |

Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:06:00 -
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I probably shouldn't even post here but... Has it occured to you that autism got its bad rep from the roughly 9 billion self-diagnosed autistics that roam the Internet? The ones that use their "specialness" as an excuse for their stupid uneducated opinions or just to garner attention? |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:07:00 -
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I'm autistic and single. |

Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:07:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Bob Bedala wrote: Ask another twitter guy who profusely apologised once the Police turned up at his door and gave him a warning I'd bet that he apologized because he felt he should and needed to, not because the police visit changed his mind about what he felt
Sure. But the question was whether he thought about it.
Andrea Griffin wrote:And no, not tin-foiling about being jailed by speaking out against the government. I'll quote part of the text that I linked earlier, because you didn't read it and I want to show you that it has indeed happened:
I know it happened, the UK has similar wartime laws, I ignored it because I felt it wasn't relevant, sorry.
Andrea Griffin wrote:And I do mean harmless. If as adults we're support to be able to communicate without using offensive language, then we should also be capable of not freaking out when someone else does. That doesn't make it acceptable, but they're just words and they only have the power we give to them.
as adults. Not all eve players are adults, as I mentioned.
I agree on your point regarding semiotics but I cannot agree it is "harmless". If it was harmless, bullying would not be a problem, inciting people toward committing violent hate crimes (what the law is trying to address at root, I suspect) would not be a problem.
Frankly you can of course hold whatever opinions you wish regarding "free speech" and a constitution shot full of holes (pun intended) and it's affect on governments, I am not talking about that.
I am taking a micro-case of this game, now, and whether the game would benefit from cases like the OP and similar being stopped. Weighing the pros and cons, I think the game would benefit; less people would leave the game due to displays of assholery and children may learn that what they say can affect other people negatively in a real way, and the world would benefit as a result. That's all. |

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
127
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:09:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote:I probably shouldn't even post here but... Has it occured to you that autism got its bad rep from the roughly 9 billion self-diagnosed autistics that roam the Internet? The ones that use their "specialness" as an excuse for their stupid uneducated opinions or just to garner attention?
This. really i mean this.
I have two degrees in psychology and know a lot about psychopathology and the above comment could not be more astute.
Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |

Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
66
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:18:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:I probably shouldn't even post here but... Has it occured to you that autism got its bad rep from the roughly 9 billion self-diagnosed autistics that roam the Internet? The ones that use their "specialness" as an excuse for their stupid uneducated opinions or just to garner attention? This. really i mean this. I have two degrees in psychology and know a lot about psychopathology and the above comment could not be more astute.
100% this. Droves of idiots everyday seek an excuse or crutch for the stupid an bask in the attention afforded by claiming their a special little snowflake. There is a cure for stupid..eventually.
Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
723
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:18:00 -
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I scored a 15 on the Asperger test. I'm normal!
THANK GOD I'm not some freak like the rest of you.  |

Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
246
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:31:00 -
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Just want to point out that the OP didn't contain any complaints or requests for sympathy. The poster just explained his EvE resume for background and raised a topic for discussion. Come on guys, read the content before you jump to any conclusions! Poor reading and poor listening are epidemic in America (maybe elsewhere too). 
(BTW, dad of an autistic (not Asberger's) 12-year-old. Some simple things he struggles with, some very complicated things he's incredibly brilliant with. Completely out of the blue unique talents. Society's not used to autism yet, but eventually it will adapt. There will always be a few racists, haters, ignoramuses, asshats, whatever around, that's a given. But the overall understanding will be better). |
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