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Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:09:00 - [1] Quote: More lvl4 agents: I've said somewhere above that we want to normalize the risk-reward ratio of level 4's, so this would fall under that hat. This is why you shouldn't touch level 4s. Think of the newbs! Rokh Level 4 runner. Maelstrom Level 4 Runner. Raven Level 4 Runner. All scanned within very short period. My other good reason is outlined here. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:13:00 - [2] Troll troll is troll PS troll.
Kynes Harkonnen HAZCON Inc YTMND.	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:15:00 - [3] Thats not a noob fit rokh... Its the well known "SHOOP DA WHOOP!" Fit. :P You do gotta love hull tanking mission runners tho lol
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:21:00 - [4] Pft, stupid noob OP has never seen a SHOOP DA WOOP fit before.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:29:00 - [5] Lol @OP not knowing SHOOP DA WHOOP fit... - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:41:00 - [6] Quote: Think of the newbs! Where I come from this is referred to as "the mission content for probers". They are put there on purpose so ninja garbage men have some entertainment while picking up the trash.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:48:00 - [7] If you move all the level 4s to low sec, then they'll move to level 3s. There is nothing you can do that will get many of the mission runners to move to unsafe space. They want the ability to log into the game, play a couple hours a day without to much harassment, make enough isk to get new ships and skills, and log out. If you change the game enough to where they can no longer do that, they'll just move on to the next game. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Jack Gilligan Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:51:00 - [8] Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Mecinia Lua If you move all the level 4s to low sec, then they'll move to level 3s. There is nothing you can do that will get many of the mission runners to move to unsafe space. They want the ability to log into the game, play a couple hours a day without to much harassment, make enough isk to get new ships and skills, and log out. If you change the game enough to where they can no longer do that, they'll just move on to the next game. So they do level 3s. Cool. What's the problem?
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.27 16:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. Um... who in their right mind has ever tried to speed tank a level 4 mission in a battleship? --

Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Mecinia Lua If you move all the level 4s to low sec, then they'll move to level 3s. There is nothing you can do that will get many of the mission runners to move to unsafe space. They want the ability to log into the game, play a couple hours a day without to much harassment, make enough isk to get new ships and skills, and log out. If you change the game enough to where they can no longer do that, they'll just move on to the next game. So they do level 3s. Cool. What's the problem? The problem is in time they could not support themselves in game with level 3s. In essence such a move would move to eliminate casual gamers that have stayed with the game. They'd continue til they hit the plateau then once they hit it and it became no longer conducive to do level 3s and advance they'd leave the game. To them its not worth the risk under any circumstance to go into low sec, some have tried it and lost their ship. Others just figure if they did and lost the ship it would take them months to get it back. While there are people who do missions 8 hours a day, just like some rat that long or pvp that long, that is not what the average player does. Moves that hurt the average player is what ultimately hurts the bottom line of the game, and ultimately affects how EVE will continue. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Jack Gilligan Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Jack Gilligan Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. Um... who in their right mind has ever tried to speed tank a level 4 mission in a battleship? No one. What I meant to say was that tank Raven fits are so tight with respect to cap stability for soloing that you can't really spare a slot for an afterburner, especially for the typical lower SP mission runner who doesn't have all the cap skills maxed. Most mission runners don't fit any speed mods at all. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. But would you fly a multi-billion ISK pimped out pwnmobile for ratting like you can for highsec missions? The answer there for most sane people is 'no.' So the end result of L4 nerfs is removal of a long term goal for some players. That in itself seems bad.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/10/2008 17:10:37 Originally by: Mecinia Lua If you move all the level 4s to low sec, then they'll move to level 3s. And the risk/reward balance with other professions in EVE will be balanced. Which is kind of what people have been crying out for. Quote: The problem is in time they could not support themselves in game with level 3s. What the hell do they need to buy. Certainly not a new raven. Or new fittings. As they never blow up. Some missiles? SKUNK
Cobra Ball Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:30:00 - [15] I can't speak for all mission runners but for people like me, this really puts a dent into what i really want to do - PVP You see, as much as i dislike running level 4, I find its a pretty good way (not the best, but not the worst either) to make enough money to replace my PVP losses. I tried the other professions and i just don't enjoy them. After a day at work, its easier for me to run some mission than sit at a computer trading in jita, or mining for hours on end. So for the average person like me, the less isk that i make, the less i can PVP. And trust me, i am not a very good PVPer, so i do lose a lot of ships. I think in the long run, this can be a problem for them game. After all, this game ultimately revolves around PVP. The less people want to do that, the less likely they are to log in. If that happens, then industrialist won't have anyone to sell their ships to, and miners will have no one to sell their minerals to. And no, you can't have my stuff. I am not going to freak out like some people seem to from every tidbit a dev post on EVE-O. Just my two cents.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.27 17:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 27/10/2008 17:49:50 Originally by: Le Skunk And the risk/reward balance with other professions in EVE will be balanced. Could I get a specification on what professions are balanced in regard to risk/reward in EVE? Low sec mining? Booster production? Moon mining of materials that are in low demand? Ninja salvaging? Exploration of high profitable sites that you can complete faster than it takes to track you down?
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Cobra Ball If that happens, then industrialist won't have anyone to sell their ships to, and miners will have no one to sell their minerals to. Technically incorrect. Minerals can be converted directly into ISK through ship hulls & the insurance mechanic. So miners (with access to a blueprint) are a closed loop ecosystem for generating ISK. It just so happens that selling to players is slightly more profitable. You always have the option of selling GTCs instead of grinding you know.
Akyr	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:33:00 - [18] WTB : Mission-Raven with 6 low- and 9 high-slots LOL
Jake Stevens Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.10.27 18:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Jake Stevens on 27/10/2008 18:40:25 Originally by: Akyr WTB : Mission-Raven with 6 low- and 9 high-slots LOL I see you've never used a ship scanner before.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.27 20:39:00 - [20] L4s should be made dynamic quality level. Let 'market forces' decide where the least desirable places to mission are, and therefore the places that should be paying the most. And actually, L3s make about the same isks/hour as L4s, because you can do them much faster in e.g. a HAC.

Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.10.27 20:46:00 - [21] Originally by: James Lyrus L4s should be made dynamic quality level. Let 'market forces' decide where the least desirable places to mission are, and therefore the places that should be paying the most. And actually, L3s make about the same isks/hour as L4s, because you can do them much faster in e.g. a HAC. Goos call that woudl be. That woudl eventually make low sec elvel 4 reach the reward high enough to be desirable (because to be frank they do not). Low sec missiosn runnign is FAR FAR more dangerous than rattign in 0.0. If L4 are removed from high sec to balance risk reward then rattign must be removed as well. My main lives in 0.0 for 2 years and 3 months.. NEver EVER lost any ship rattign in 0.0, and accumulated around 11 bil isk doing only that. So the argument that high sec mission runnign is not dangerous and you loose nothign is not valid.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.27 20:46:00 - [22] Originally by: James Lyrus And actually, L3s make about the same isks/hour as L4s, because you can do them much faster in e.g. a HAC. …yes, but doing L4s in sub-BS class ships is so much more fun! Heck, it's even kind of close to being almost dangerous at times!
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.27 20:50:00 - [23] I hope all these changes come , I would love to see EVE fall on its ass just so I can say ur own fault CCP for breaking ur game! It all started back in 2006! No this is not a whine I am happy on my level 70 tier 5 Mage!! woot. But yer Eve was so much more fun when GTCS were cheaper , static plexs were around & Dreads could do level 4 missions you get the idea. no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Complete Tart Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.10.27 21:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. Bet they won't change the distance to the acceleration gates either.... sometimes you have to travel 50km+ to get to the next stage. Levels 4 are a ****in grind as it is... congrats CCP on having the most laborious PVE content in any MMO
HENODE PRAVIA Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.27 21:28:00 - [25] Edited by: HENODE PRAVIA on 27/10/2008 21:28:49 Well... The end of casual, mature, with RL, short time of gameplay player is near... Congratzzz!!!!! Edit: Damm sig!! Xenos, Malleus,....Hereticus!!!
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.10.27 23:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Complete Tart Originally by: Jack Gilligan Check out the speed of Battleships on the test server. L4 missions have already been nerfed. With the speed changes (you can't speed fit a solo mission tank) running missions will take a LOT more time than they do now, lowering even more any perceived advantage over mission running vs 0.0 ratting. Note: there isn't. You make far more isk in less time ratting in 0.0 than with mission running. Bet they won't change the distance to the acceleration gates either.... sometimes you have to travel 50km+ to get to the next stage. Levels 4 are a **in grind as it is... congrats CCP on having the most laborious PVE content in any MMO Immagine that, the PVE in a PVP game being somewhat lacking... IMO something needs to be done to nerf level 4s in highsec while making 0.0/lowsec more attractive. double/triple LP in lowsec? Maybe make it so that meta 3 and 4 stuff is only dropped in lowsec or nullsec? It wouldn't be too much of a nerf on lvl 4s in highsec while giving a fairly good reason to run them in low/nullsec. The problem is that there's just too much isk being made by highsec dwellers right now. Sure, you COULD go and simply boost low/nullsec rewards, but then it would become ** easy to make money, and nothing short of capital ship losses would even phase people. There has to be some sort of nerf to lvl 4s in highsec first. Removing them altogether seems a bit harsh IMO, shouldn't completely kill off someone's gameplay like that. However it'd be stupid to think that things don't need to change. Why on earth should it be as easy in highsec to make money as it is in most 0.0 regions, which have to be fought extensively over?
Hoinus Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2008.10.28 00:25:00 - [27] Despite the profitability of level 4s, you cannot stop whenever you want (need to finish it) and it is a grind. Ratting is a grind too but least you can go afk in a POS and go do something else. Blah...
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.28 00:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Hoinus Despite the profitability of level 4s, you cannot stop whenever you want (need to finish it) and it is a grind. Ratting is a grind too but least you can go afk in a POS and go do something else. Uhm, a missionrunner can warp out or finish the current pocket, and go afk...or come back and give it another try anytime within the next week from start date _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
Cobra Ball Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.28 00:51:00 - [29] Here is the part i don't quite understand. Unless you are a real sadist who does 10 hours of missions a day, i think a majority of people find it a boring grind that is a necessary evil. I assume other people also find that missions are boring as all hell but do them because it is a means to an end. Has CCP found that mission runners are causing inflation to the economy? If not, why stop people from making isk to do the things they really want to do in EVE?
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.10.28 01:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Cobra Ball Here is the part i don't quite understand. Unless you are a real sadist who does 10 hours of missions a day, i think a majority of people find it a boring grind that is a necessary evil. I assume other people also find that missions are boring as all hell but do them because it is a means to an end. Has CCP found that mission runners are causing inflation to the economy? If not, why stop people from making isk to do the things they really want to do in EVE? I don't think it's the casual gamer that has caused deflation to the economy by completing lvl 4's, but the simplicity in which macro'ers can complete them afk that is causing a root core issue in both 0.0 and hi-sec. There's more and more isk entering the game, and not enough leaving. The economic report shows that more ships produced than are taken away. It's easy to see that there's an ever growing increase in supply of everything, causing prices to fall further and further making ratting/missioning the only way possible for ISK generation - rather than organized building. Everyone is suffering...



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