So apparently the Merlin is broken but the-

/suddenly Kestrels, hundreds of them.

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Its a bit interesting they consider all the marauders to be fine.

With the coming drone changes i see them losing what little value they have now.

Its a bit interesting they consider all the marauders to be fine.

With the coming drone changes i see them losing what little value they have now.

What drone changes??

What drone changes??

What drone changes??

There are several drone user buffs coming, but I'm guessing he refers to the introduction of salvage drones.

The ones i were referring too was the addition of a bounty to the drones.

Same here... damn shame, I was planning on buying one in the somewhat near future too.

Hmm, supercarriers and titans: only half-broken. Not bad.

I'd like to know how the ships are broken - the proteus fills a very nice high dps/massive buffer role, as well as (post-crucible) being quite a nice active tanker. Could do with being a bit faster, but that's my only complaint. Don't hurt my proteus!

Myrmidon needs to be rated as semi-borked, though.

In what way? It is one of the most versatile BCs in the game.

- Navy phoon, navy pest are semi-broken

I don't see the issue with the normal Omen. At low skills you can run a 4-turret config, then at higher skills graduate to a 5-turret setup (5 high-end Beams can be tricky IIRC). I grew into that ship rather nicely actually.

Same with the Sigil. Smaller and agile, a nice step down from an Impel if you're just doing casual shuffling things about (like a bunch of P1s from a planet). And it was free if you did the career tutorials. What's not to like?

Maller and Aug I can understand being a problem. Never seen much of a use for those.

Eh... I guess if you live in drone space that might be important. Otherwise, I still think salvage drones will do more to lower demand for marauders than the removal of rogue drone mineral drops.

Are You F... Kidding me? Golem on green?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore...

Salvage drones

Yes, that's why only semi-broken. The problem I have with it is it's dps compared to Vexor. Same bandwidth, no weapon bonus.

Myrm should get the 100mbit/s to bring it's damage output over a Vexor.

Are you sure with the T1 Amarr frigs

I don't belive the Punisher is "OK". I'd rather say the Executioner is "OK" but the Punisher .... well, ALL Amarr ships with "xx cap/level for guns" are broken as they are have a fake-bonus instead of a real bonus

There is a reason why people fly nearly all of them with Projectil weapons instead of Lasors

Why should I use cap at all if I can do the same damage with damage type selection without using cap

This is true for
- Crucifir
- Magna
- Punishe
- Malle
- Legion Drone offens
- Legion Covert offens
- Prophec

And it is partial true for all other with cap/level laser as all this ships miss a TRUE bonus like RoF, Damage, Resist, range, tracking.

The minmatar are always the step child when in comes to handing out the presents. Typically , Amarr get the great armour buff, caldari get the shield buff, gallente get the damage buff , (pause whilst searching the bottom of the bag) minmatar gets the furry sweet nobody else wanted.

Hey everybody,
In the fanfest ship balancing presentation, there was a chart shown with all the T1/T2/T3/Faction ships, colour-coded according to how CCP sees them.
Red = Broken
Yellow = Semi-broken
Green = Working as intended

Clever girl.

OP is too smart for his own good, please all look at this magic flashy-thing pen while we put some sunglasses on...

More seriously, there are reasons why no ship names were on that chart.

• The list is by no mean fixed, and ships we consider to be broken change all the time. Especially since this is a long term planned change.
• The list is also highly biased to the reader. Depending on your experience, profession in EVE you may not find it accurate, and for good reasons. For instance, a Raven may be quite ok for mission running pilot, but far less appealing for a player engaged in long null-sec fleet warfare.
• We wanted to avoid nitpicking discussions about which exact ships can be considered as broken, and just a provide a general review of the game status. During Fanfest, we were far more interested to move the discussion forward during the roundtables / questions on how to improve the ship status, not to spend most of our time arguing on which vessels are broken or not .

can we please get a dev blog on some proposed changes to be coming to at least the frigates in the next few weeks or so, or least some comments on what may be happening here. the suspense is killing me ... quite literealy. thouhg im mostly looking to see the T1 Cruiser changes tbh esepculy to the omen. and tbh the navy omen should be what the T1 Omen should have been if you ask me.

Hey everybody,

All Black Ops ships: Broken

The minmatar are always the step child when in comes to handing out the presents. Typically , Amarr get the great armour buff, caldari get the shield buff, gallente get the damage buff , (pause whilst searching the bottom of the bag) minmatar gets the furry sweet nobody else wanted.

The minmatar are always the step child when in comes to handing out the presents. Typically , Amarr get the great armour buff, caldari get the shield buff, gallente get the damage buff , (pause whilst searching the bottom of the bag) minmatar gets the furry sweet nobody else wanted.

Chances are, if you're this excited you probably already read this, but I think this is the best way to unbrake most of the ships.

Tiericide will allow all those unflown ships to finally be able to fill the roles they were designed for.

Is this why Minmitar>Gallente?

yea but projectiles aren't considered the best weapons or anything

minmatar gets the furry sweet nobody else wanted.

Regarding the fake bonuses of energy turrets to Amarr ship designs: It has been said since '03, just increase their damn capacitors and give them real bonuses to weapon systems. Sure the capacitor increase in either total capacity or recharge time is useful in many areas, but that is a GOOD THING, and not overpowered, especially since Amarr designs have pioneered capacitor nuets.

Just increase the Cap on hulls, and remove the energy turret fake bonuses. That would solve a LOT of problems with Amarr hulls.

The cap bonus is not a fake bonus. Let me clarify it for you:

Normal ship gets +5% damage bonus to turret
Amarr ship gets -10% capacitor bonus to turret instead

Normal turret does xx damage which varies by range and overall utility
Laser turret does xx * 1.25 damage and just costs a ton of capacitor to compensate.

THE CAPACITOR BONUS IS A DAMAGE BONUS BECAUSE LASERS DO MORE DAMAGE AND COST MORE CAPACITOR

Wondered why they needed a panel to tell everyone what they already knew.

stuff.

I think the only 'fake' bonuses are things like the Amarr Industrial bonuses for the Prorator (blockade runner)... Plus 5% cargo and velocity? And I needed level five to climb into the ship anyway? :D

The Amarr Frigate bonuses for the Retribution (assault frigate), on the other hand, are 'real' bonuses, even if they act more like role bonuses because I had level five already.

Or is there some freaky maths thing about the Prorator's Amarr Industrial bonuses that I'm missing?

You might be right. O.o If you are, then......who's idea was it to nerf laser damage?