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Dalomar Avalhar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:38:00 -
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I dont see the Muninn around anymore!
Has it become obsulete after the Tier 3 BC came around? what are pilots using it for now - discuss |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
Defiant Legacy
55
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:40:00 -
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I confirm that, Muninn is an extincted species. Haven't seen one for months. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:56:00 -
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I use my munnin for pve and it works like crazy ... running angel plexes in a munnin is heaven. |
Dalomar Avalhar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:01:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:I use my munnin for pve and it works like crazy ... running angel plexes in a munnin is heaven.
yeah i was thinking pve aswell. But i run serp plexes in an ishtar though.
Thing is corp mate has one he cant use an i can. but for pvp it seems best with artillery and the obivous good res makes a good tank, but wouldnt make that much dps as a tier 3 bc - im just guessing here as i have never flown it before. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Morskoj Industries
69
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:15:00 -
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A couple of null corps use to run huge muninn alpha fleets. Maybe it was brick squad or black watch.
As for if that were replaced with the tornado, I'm not sure. It's possible, but remember muninns are cruisers with t2 resists, that is a little better than t1 battlecruisers for survivability, plus muninns still have the drone bay. My guess, tornadoes may out dps the muninn (would also depend on Target size), but the muninn has better chance to fight longer, which means for a long nul roam, the muninn isn't bad. |
Torothin
Wrecking Shots
Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:38:00 -
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Apparently the Munin also does reasonably well as an AHAC. I have yet to see them used but I have heard they are a decent option. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:16:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:A couple of null corps use to run huge muninn alpha fleets. Maybe it was brick squad or black watch.
As for if that were replaced with the tornado, I'm not sure. It's possible, but remember muninns are cruisers with t2 resists, that is a little better than t1 battlecruisers for survivability, plus muninns still have the drone bay. My guess, tornadoes may out dps the muninn (would also depend on Target size), but the muninn has better chance to fight longer, which means for a long nul roam, the muninn isn't bad.
I would honestly take Munnin slightly lower DPS and much higher tank vs paper thin high DPS tornado for small gangs.
Fit the munnin nano and you can get a good enough agility and speed, and you can easily hit 50-60 k ehp with the right fit.
It doesn't compare with the vaga but it's still a really good ship.
We did a small roam in null sec the other day, and while my gang mates lost their smaller ships, I actually managed to tank and survive a 8 man gang, and evade them. Most likely they did a mistake and I wouldn't put it all on the ship, but it's a good ship. Like most forgotten ships, it turns out they are quite useful in the sense that most people don't suspect them anymore.
Bit like the prophecy in a way... |
Dalomar Avalhar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:45:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Apparently the Munin also does reasonably well as an AHAC. I have yet to see them used but I have heard they are a decent option.
I would also say their inherent number of low slots makes a good AHAC
Thx for the input ppl, i think i will have a go at it - i like the rupture aswell so muninn would be good |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
27
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:31:00 -
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Then again, if you have it trained, the Broadsword is a seriously sick ship.
I mean, even if you don't use it for the warp bubble, just as a combat ship, you can tank it to 70-80k ehp with some decent DPS if you do it well.
That one though is less agile. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:17:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Apparently the Munin also does reasonably well as an AHAC. I have yet to see them used but I have heard they are a decent option.
They're not.
For AHACs a Fleet Stabber is better and cheaper if you can't fly anything other than minnie.
Zealots of course make the Muninn look fairly useless - which it is unless you need specific damage types. |
Rens Cheque
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:26:00 -
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Black Legion runs large Munin fleets last I knew. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Morskoj Industries
70
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:36:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:Then again, if you have it trained, the Broadsword is a seriously sick ship.
I mean, even if you don't use it for the warp bubble, just as a combat ship, you can tank it to 70-80k ehp with some decent DPS if you do it well.
That one though is less agile.
You can tank it higher, 100k or more dps. Also, please.... Please tell me you know about scripting your warp bubble. If you have a hic in high sec and are not using one or two scripted bubbles... Please, stop war deccing people and learn more about the game or you will be killed! |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
390
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:42:00 -
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Dalomar Avalhar wrote:I dont see the Muninn around anymore!
My alliance + GIANTSBANE. and maybe one or two others are the only ones who use Muninns as a regular fleet comp.
Quote:Has it become obsulete after the Tier 3 BC came around?
Nope.
Quote:what are pilots using it for now - discuss
Same stuff we used it for before Crucible, medium (30-70 man) gangs, fighting up to around 100-120 dudes. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
170
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Posted - 2012.04.04 02:35:00 -
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lol, muninn....
forget balancing, ccp should just remove it from the game and put in a new ship that might actually be useful. |
Alec Enderas
14th Legion
Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:08:00 -
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you meant Munn ?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Munn |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
608
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:03:00 -
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No no no!
http://zettai-ryouiki.com/eve/warning_muninns.png |
Dalomar Avalhar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:18:00 -
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Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
Chained Reactions
6
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:40:00 -
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I dont like it because it has warped armor resisys(which it uses) and not enough mids for shields(unless you are running 0 tackle than MAYBE it will work) |
Halete
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:48:00 -
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Most informative post on the forums right now, to be quite honest.
Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
239
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:40:00 -
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over priced ruptures with an extra turret......
need to say more?
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
432
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:43:00 -
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It's pretty great when you have to kill 15 guys in frigates by yourself. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:56:00 -
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People ragging on the Muninn have clearly never heard of Black Legion. 
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
391
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:18:00 -
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doing drake week right now, get back to us in like 5 days or so |
Dalomar Avalhar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:07:00 -
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thx again for the replies, the usefull ones and the not so usefull ones |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:52:00 -
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In theory the Muninn does more DPS than a Hurricane in midrange fights (30km and more). (Damage graph; http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/06/plasma-desktopWr2291.jpg )
Both fits with 720mm artys.
If you often fly in a skirmish/kiting gang that might be a usefull ship.
I have not tried it myself, because i only got hac IV, but it is on my skill list :D
o/
fly save, space cowboy. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:57:00 -
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I'll probably be selling mine... Just don't use it as much as I thought I would on PVE... |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
166
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Posted - 2012.04.07 01:10:00 -
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There's still a role for sniper HACs. The tracking on tier 3 BCs is utterly abysmal when fit for sniping. Even at long ranges they are not going to hit any nonstationary small ships. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:13:00 -
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Seems obsolete compared to the nado.
Similar speed / size profile but with 1400s instead of 720s. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
393
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:42:00 -
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Annie Anomie wrote:Seems obsolete compared to the nado.
Similar speed / size profile but with 1400s instead of 720s.
Tornadoes have problems with massed fast tackle. Muninns do not.
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Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.09 04:41:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Apparently the Munin also does reasonably well as an AHAC. I have yet to see them used but I have heard they are a decent option.
It has a terrible slot layout and resistance profile when fit as an AHAC. You only fly a Muninn in such a gang because you haven't finished training for the Zealot yet. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
242
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Posted - 2012.04.09 16:25:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Annie Anomie wrote:Seems obsolete compared to the nado.
Similar speed / size profile but with 1400s instead of 720s. Tornadoes have problems with massed fast tackle. Muninns do not.
are you insane?
arty munnins die just as fast to tackle blobs.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
394
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:18:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:are you insane?
arty munnins die just as fast to tackle blobs.
lol no they dont
http://black-legion.ca/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13907 |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
242
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:19:00 -
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well done they killed like 5 intys and mostly with drones or lucky shot, thats not evidence at all.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Noisrevbus
109
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:54:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:Annie Anomie wrote:Seems obsolete compared to the nado.
Similar speed / size profile but with 1400s instead of 720s. Tornadoes have problems with massed fast tackle. Muninns do not. are you insane? arty munnins die just as fast to tackle blobs.
Maybe both of you should consider that the nigh twice amount of DPS and alpha allow every second Muninn to be replaced by a Rapier if you run Tornados instead. Rapiers which not only provide more stopping-power to your range-control effort and stacks up the signature of primaries but also are quite outstanding at killing small tackle on their own.
You could just replace every third Muninn and enjoy an overall better DPS and alpha, or pull in even more support-effects from other ships while maintaining the same gang-size.
#deathtoalltier3BC
#calleditprecrucible
#nomorecontinueddumbingdown |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
394
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:56:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:well done they killed like 5 intys and mostly with drones or lucky shot, thats not evidence at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By3RpsoZnDA&feature=player_detailpage#t=151s |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
394
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:07:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:Maybe both of you should consider that the nigh twice amount of DPS and alpha allow every second Muninn to be replaced by a Rapier if you run Tornados instead. Rapiers which not only provide more stopping-power to your range-control effort and stacks up the signature of primaries but also are quite outstanding at killing small tackle on their own.
You could just replace every third Muninn and enjoy an overall better DPS and alpha, or pull in even more support-effects from other ships while maintaining the same gang-size.
#deathtoalltier3BC
#deathtodumbingdown
My experience with Tornadoes on TQ is fairly negative even when you're slinging around 4x webs and 2x painters on fast tackle. I only have maybe 2 BRs with unmitigated **** on the Tornadoes; mostly once they realize they can't track even with bonused webs in gang, they bail out and obviously it's not feasible to chase. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
213
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:32:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Noisrevbus wrote:Maybe both of you should consider that the nigh twice amount of DPS and alpha allow every second Muninn to be replaced by a Rapier if you run Tornados instead. Rapiers which not only provide more stopping-power to your range-control effort and stacks up the signature of primaries but also are quite outstanding at killing small tackle on their own.
You could just replace every third Muninn and enjoy an overall better DPS and alpha, or pull in even more support-effects from other ships while maintaining the same gang-size.
#deathtoalltier3BC
#deathtodumbingdown My experience with flying arty Tornadoes on TQ is fairly negative even when you're slinging around 4x webs and 2x painters on fast tackle. As for Muninns vs. Tornadoes, I only have maybe 2 BRs with unmitigated **** on the Tornadoes; mostly once they realize they can't track even with bonused webs in gang, they bail out and obviously it's not feasible to chase. But we haven't been raped by them either, even when they had multiple Minmatar recons in gang.
The major advantage that Muninns have over Tornados is the cycle time on Medium v. Large Artillery. Muninns have half the cycle time, making it easier to melt fast tackle, target switch, etc.
Muninns also have the benefit of having the 2 utility slots for smartbombs, making them invulnerable to any kind of missle-based DPS fleet doctrine.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Noisrevbus
109
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:58:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:
My experience with flying arty Tornadoes on TQ is fairly negative even when you're slinging around 4x webs and 2x painters on fast tackle.
As for Muninns vs. Tornadoes, I only have maybe 2 BRs with unmitigated **** on the Tornadoes; mostly once they realize they can't track even with bonused webs in gang, they bail out and obviously it's not feasible to chase. But we haven't been raped by them either, even when they had multiple Minmatar recons in gang.
It more likely has to do with them not maintaining appropirate bonuses and applying effective control, because the potential for it is there.
Most people not doing that in a live situation is a fair point though. It does require good target coordination and composure, which is rare and difficult in a fast-paced situation on larger scales.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
394
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:01:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:It more likely has to do with them not maintaining appropirate bonuses and applying effective control, because the potential for it is there.
They had bonuses, their recons were webbing out to around 90km. I'm not sure what you mean by effective control; range control? Or control of their fleet members?
Quote:Most people not doing that in a live situation is a fair point though. It does require good target coordination and composure, which is rare and difficult in a fast-paced situation on larger scales.
There are a lot of things that look good in EFT and sound good when theorycrafted, but fall short when put to the acid test. Large artillery alpha is one of them. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
96
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:49:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:well done they killed like 5 intys and mostly with drones or lucky shot, thats not evidence at all.
You just outed yourself as a grade A idiot. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
243
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:01:00 -
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well i dont see anyone in this thread flying muninns so shut up :D
Put your muninn where your mouth is
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Maxine Bellorum
Posthuman Society
Enclave.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:21:00 -
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Personally, I think the muninn needs a slot layout revision. The two missile high slots need to find some way into the mid and low slots. More low slots will definitely be a win in my book. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
213
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:46:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:well i dont see anyone in this thread flying muninns so shut up :D
Put your muninn where your mouth is
Muad, I can't tell if you are just being an obnoxious troll or not.
Are you really so dumb that you can't look at Black Legion.'s killboard and see their mind-boggling impressive display of Muninn Power? It's literally their primary fleet doctrine. And it kicks ass.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
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