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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:38:00 -
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Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:38:00 -
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Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:41:00 -
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Its all Molles fault
admit it
you know it is
dont candy coat it
*shakes fist at Molle*
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Deathwing on 02/07/2004 06:43:16
*shakes fist a post button double clicking*
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:41:00 -
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Its all Molles fault
admit it
you know it is
dont candy coat it
*shakes fist at Molle*
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Deathwing on 02/07/2004 06:43:16
*shakes fist a post button double clicking*
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Blacklight
Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
You are right. I wont flame the downfall of western style colonialism again. But Im already an arse. So all hope is lost for me anyways.
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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.02 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
You are right. I wont flame the downfall of western style colonialism again. But Im already an arse. So all hope is lost for me anyways.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.07.02 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Notferr
At the end of the day, good blood has been made bad, and I think PA and NCA are in this fight till the end of one of us.
So you want an ongoing Catch-type conflice then, since game mechanics don't really allow killing alliances merely by killing ships and blobbing in their territory? 
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.07.02 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Notferr
At the end of the day, good blood has been made bad, and I think PA and NCA are in this fight till the end of one of us.
So you want an ongoing Catch-type conflice then, since game mechanics don't really allow killing alliances merely by killing ships and blobbing in their territory?
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Melindor
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Melindor on 02/07/2004 08:27:22
Reading alot of bs and smack on these forums from guys/sh3-males (yes you know who) I must say that you don't know what to believe anymore.
I do know that all of it pushed me further and further into the PA, and I've come to the stage that even if I'm blown up back into an Ibis, I'll still be a proud member of the PA and there will be no such thing as a non-PA Venal.
You can't destroy the PA, period. We might take a loss on the battlefield (something that is likely to happen if you even look at who we're all at war with) but so will you guys. It's a war. If one victory means an end to this war, to the PA, then I would say, good for you. Seeing that you need to post over 10 pages full of smacktalk to convince yourselfs about that, then I'm afraid you aren't very succesfull. Suggest you go back into the game and do some more killing 
PA won't die, period.
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Melindor
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Melindor on 02/07/2004 08:27:22
Reading alot of bs and smack on these forums from guys/sh3-males (yes you know who) I must say that you don't know what to believe anymore.
I do know that all of it pushed me further and further into the PA, and I've come to the stage that even if I'm blown up back into an Ibis, I'll still be a proud member of the PA and there will be no such thing as a non-PA Venal.
You can't destroy the PA, period. We might take a loss on the battlefield (something that is likely to happen if you even look at who we're all at war with) but so will you guys. It's a war. If one victory means an end to this war, to the PA, then I would say, good for you. Seeing that you need to post over 10 pages full of smacktalk to convince yourselfs about that, then I'm afraid you aren't very succesfull. Suggest you go back into the game and do some more killing
PA won't die, period.
So NAST dont work with M00, nor Evol? |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:45:00 -
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Quote:
Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
Melindor,
If your going to take a topic that has actually gone past the 1st page, stayed on topic, clean and is actually in jepordy of maintaining a civil conversation in these forums and start pushing buttons to get people fired up again, then you truely are arse.
If you plan on posting in this thread again, make it constructive.
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:45:00 -
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Quote:
Do this thread the justice it deserves and don't flame it. There is the potential for a really interesting discussion here.
If you flame it and drag it down you're an arse and deserve to be called one.
Melindor,
If your going to take a topic that has actually gone past the 1st page, stayed on topic, clean and is actually in jepordy of maintaining a civil conversation in these forums and start pushing buttons to get people fired up again, then you truely are arse.
If you plan on posting in this thread again, make it constructive.
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:52:00 -
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Come on now, don't spoil what is potentially a very good thread for discussion.
Please keep it friendly and flame free guys. 
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:52:00 -
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Come on now, don't spoil what is potentially a very good thread for discussion.
Please keep it friendly and flame free guys.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/07/2004 09:08:02
Originally by: Casey Jens
All propaganda and proselityzing posts and threads aside, there is no winner in the venal conflict. Nor will there be one.
Yes there will be. A surrender will come from one side or the other, otherwise the war will continue forever.
Originally by: Casey Jens
JF and RKK for having been old friends and the ejection of JF, which of course couldn't be countenanced by either corporation in the long run.
If anyone were to believe that they hadn't, in private counsel, plotted and planned revenge for some time, those people are seriously lacking in political 'ability' or common sense. That CDI gave them the green light 'excuse' is beside the point as it would have been SOMETHING sooner or later.
I'm sorry but don't ever attempt to speak for RKK again. This is absolute bull****.
If I had needed an instant attack back against the PA then I would have accepted one of the numerous merc contracts I was offered when we left.
Instead RKK went to form c0d with some other small corps and NAP with PA in order to remain close by but without actually being IN PA.
Our relationship then degregaded as we saw PA continually slide into the wrong side of morality and finally over the last 3 months had to spend the time being shot at and aggressed by CDI.
We started this war alone. We didn't ask anyone to fire for us because they had to make their own decisions.
Our friends all looked at the situation, from JF to NORAD to UNICOR and made that decision.
Originally by: Casey Jens
Oberon for rejecting all past treaties and declaring the past "forgotten".
The Charter of the NVA was the reason I applied TWC for membership. Not for friends, not for power, but for the principles and 'righteous cause' of that document. To throw that on the fire was saddening.
The NVA died the day that JF was thrown out and the PA decided to sell out to Biomass. It has nothing to do with this war.
Originally by: Casey Jens
It is time to sit down at the table and find a way out of this insanity. It is time to pick up that charter that once was and actually READ WHAT IT SAID.
Why do you think you have any right to tell either side what to do in this war?
I think you need to either stop sucking veldspar and get back in the battle or shut up about something you obviously have no idea what is going on day to day.
Originally by: Casey Jens
A Proud Member of the NVA, and all that it stood for.
You were a proud member of the NVA and all that at DIED for, same as I was.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/07/2004 09:08:02
Originally by: Casey Jens
All propaganda and proselityzing posts and threads aside, there is no winner in the venal conflict. Nor will there be one.
Yes there will be. A surrender will come from one side or the other, otherwise the war will continue forever.
Originally by: Casey Jens
JF and RKK for having been old friends and the ejection of JF, which of course couldn't be countenanced by either corporation in the long run.
If anyone were to believe that they hadn't, in private counsel, plotted and planned revenge for some time, those people are seriously lacking in political 'ability' or common sense. That CDI gave them the green light 'excuse' is beside the point as it would have been SOMETHING sooner or later.
I'm sorry but don't ever attempt to speak for RKK again. This is absolute bull****.
If I had needed an instant attack back against the PA then I would have accepted one of the numerous merc contracts I was offered when we left.
Instead RKK went to form c0d with some other small corps and NAP with PA in order to remain close by but without actually being IN PA.
Our relationship then degregaded as we saw PA continually slide into the wrong side of morality and finally over the last 3 months had to spend the time being shot at and aggressed by CDI.
We started this war alone. We didn't ask anyone to fire for us because they had to make their own decisions.
Our friends all looked at the situation, from JF to NORAD to UNICOR and made that decision.
Originally by: Casey Jens
Oberon for rejecting all past treaties and declaring the past "forgotten".
The Charter of the NVA was the reason I applied TWC for membership. Not for friends, not for power, but for the principles and 'righteous cause' of that document. To throw that on the fire was saddening.
The NVA died the day that JF was thrown out and the PA decided to sell out to Biomass. It has nothing to do with this war.
Originally by: Casey Jens
It is time to sit down at the table and find a way out of this insanity. It is time to pick up that charter that once was and actually READ WHAT IT SAID.
Why do you think you have any right to tell either side what to do in this war?
I think you need to either stop sucking veldspar and get back in the battle or shut up about something you obviously have no idea what is going on day to day.
Originally by: Casey Jens
A Proud Member of the NVA, and all that it stood for.
You were a proud member of the NVA and all that at DIED for, same as I was.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:59:00 -
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How long u been a member? Isnt it the PA not NVA ( NVA is what us attacking call it cause the PA is dead). Just a simple question to Casey.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.07.02 08:59:00 -
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How long u been a member? Isnt it the PA not NVA ( NVA is what us attacking call it cause the PA is dead). Just a simple question to Casey.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:17:00 -
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It¦s fun fighting, so who cares about anything else.
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:17:00 -
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It¦s fun fighting, so who cares about anything else.
Spawn of the Devil
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantia on 02/07/2004 09:20:19
I will make a detailed reply in a little while (just going out for coffee), but I will say first that Casey Jens did join the NVA for the principles and constitution (and here I believe I would be right in saying he means the actual principles and purpose not the document Halseth drafted as a compromise to cover the endless closed border / anti-freespace by war excuse document).
Casey was party to/aware of the discussions and manipulations and intrigues and petty betrayals that led to Oberon leading the cause to eject Jericho Fraction from the NVA. He was a corp rep with NVA forum access at director level, and he was present in many key moments of the process. He and I spoke about CDI corporation at length back when they were conducting espionage against fellow alliance members back in November/December.
For what its worth I do actually believe that Casey is doing what he says here, and presenting a relatively neutral outsiders view on the current conflict.
Lets have the debate and lets keep it respectful and decent. I think everyone will know that the first person to begin calling people virtual cross dressers will have surrendered any future place at the table of adult conversation.
Anyhow - more after a lovely flirtation with the goddess of true experience.
ta ta
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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Jade Constantia
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantia on 02/07/2004 09:20:19
I will make a detailed reply in a little while (just going out for coffee), but I will say first that Casey Jens did join the NVA for the principles and constitution (and here I believe I would be right in saying he means the actual principles and purpose not the document Halseth drafted as a compromise to cover the endless closed border / anti-freespace by war excuse document).
Casey was party to/aware of the discussions and manipulations and intrigues and petty betrayals that led to Oberon leading the cause to eject Jericho Fraction from the NVA. He was a corp rep with NVA forum access at director level, and he was present in many key moments of the process. He and I spoke about CDI corporation at length back when they were conducting espionage against fellow alliance members back in November/December.
For what its worth I do actually believe that Casey is doing what he says here, and presenting a relatively neutral outsiders view on the current conflict.
Lets have the debate and lets keep it respectful and decent. I think everyone will know that the first person to begin calling people virtual cross dressers will have surrendered any future place at the table of adult conversation.
Anyhow - more after a lovely flirtation with the goddess of true experience.
ta ta
The Great Northern War: 14 Day Commentary by Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction and Public Forum
and introducing;
LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS
Gallente roleplaying and cultural exchange channel!
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Casey Jens
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Casey Jens on 02/07/2004 09:36:39
I will not be drawn into flames here. RKK if you read my post closely I believe I clearly stated there AND in the post response to Halseth that the 'blame game' statements are the end result "PERCEPTION" from outside of the conflict, not the "truths" as both sides see them in this conflict. I am not, nor would ever presume to speak for RKK.
My intent here is for an intelligent dialogue on the FUTURE, not a re-hash of the past which of course cannot and will never be resolved to anyone's total satisfaction. In all of the discourse to date, there hasn't been a mention of finding a way out of the mess that is currently underway. Whether this is taken in the spirit given or not, is beyond my control.
To a few statements here which were nothing short of flame bait, I respectfully decline to give them any attention or response, as I did not post to have an argument. That is next door in room 14.
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Casey Jens
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Casey Jens on 02/07/2004 09:36:39
I will not be drawn into flames here. RKK if you read my post closely I believe I clearly stated there AND in the post response to Halseth that the 'blame game' statements are the end result "PERCEPTION" from outside of the conflict, not the "truths" as both sides see them in this conflict. I am not, nor would ever presume to speak for RKK.
My intent here is for an intelligent dialogue on the FUTURE, not a re-hash of the past which of course cannot and will never be resolved to anyone's total satisfaction. In all of the discourse to date, there hasn't been a mention of finding a way out of the mess that is currently underway. Whether this is taken in the spirit given or not, is beyond my control.
To a few statements here which were nothing short of flame bait, I respectfully decline to give them any attention or response, as I did not post to have an argument. That is next door in room 14.
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Melindor
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:46:00 -
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Exactly, ending this war will not be easy. Everyone fights for what he believes, and anything posted by the other side is considered a lie.
To bad, but hey, what do you expect on public forums. That's why I don't go into politics, I just do my part on the battlefield and let the others do the talking. And for me this war ends when officials decide it's over.
Who is wrong and who is right is a pointless discussion. I believe both sides have a point, and some individuals worked hard to destroy every communication between both sides to get this war. Starting this war was a goal on it's own. The thing that triggered it, is just a detail. If it wasn't CDI it would have been something else.
The only discussions worth having is what both sides want in the end of this war. If a compromise that is acceptable by both sides is not possible, then I think we'll be shooting eachother for a long time.
Since one goal is to destroy PA as a whole, then, uhum, I suggest you make some more ammo, cause PA won't give up just like that. To much effort put in this alliance to just give up, and still to many motivated fighters.
Btw, i believe there is live at the end of this, so enjoy it while it last. It's a game, have fun.
So NAST dont work with M00, nor Evol? |
Melindor
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:46:00 -
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Exactly, ending this war will not be easy. Everyone fights for what he believes, and anything posted by the other side is considered a lie.
To bad, but hey, what do you expect on public forums. That's why I don't go into politics, I just do my part on the battlefield and let the others do the talking. And for me this war ends when officials decide it's over.
Who is wrong and who is right is a pointless discussion. I believe both sides have a point, and some individuals worked hard to destroy every communication between both sides to get this war. Starting this war was a goal on it's own. The thing that triggered it, is just a detail. If it wasn't CDI it would have been something else.
The only discussions worth having is what both sides want in the end of this war. If a compromise that is acceptable by both sides is not possible, then I think we'll be shooting eachother for a long time.
Since one goal is to destroy PA as a whole, then, uhum, I suggest you make some more ammo, cause PA won't give up just like that. To much effort put in this alliance to just give up, and still to many motivated fighters.
Btw, i believe there is live at the end of this, so enjoy it while it last. It's a game, have fun.
So NAST dont work with M00, nor Evol? |
Tbone
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:52:00 -
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Casey I screwed up, I forgot that NVA was old name if I rem right. No flaming from me, just was wondering why you were calling it NVA not PA.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.07.02 09:52:00 -
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Casey I screwed up, I forgot that NVA was old name if I rem right. No flaming from me, just was wondering why you were calling it NVA not PA.
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