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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:08:00 -
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 Originally by: lecrotta
Most of these whine threads seem to go like this:
We had a gang, they had a gang, we did not have ewar, they had ewar, we fought, they jammed some of our ships, we lost, they won.
So we have learned that a well prepared gang with ewar support can beat a similar sized poorly prepared gang without any ewar support.
though it might seem valid to point out a gang bringin ewar should have the win on their side it's just not true in the case of the falcon
There is no recon that can turn a fight in the way a falcon can. Hell even if your a 4 man nano gang a rapier won't scare the **** out of you like a falcon does to any type of gang.
It's just people believing it's their "uber skillz" that makes them win those engagements end not the fact that their falcon might just be ridiculous
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: chrisss0r on 04/11/2008 23:53:56
sure, but thats the role of all ewar and of command ships.
of all ewar and other force multipliers the falcon is the only one that will make any gang think "oh crap"
i think there are 2 points why there is so much arguing bout falcons
1. idiots who think it's due to their uber skillz they win and not due to their falcon alts
2. That falcon and ecm are very fine in large fleet fights. It's a nice game mechanics to have a fleet standoff of let's say 50 vs 50 and ecm boats shutting of the enemy gangs key ships.
Thats imo one of the points why the falcon is not nerfed yet. While it makes small scale pvp a joke it's very fine and valid in fleet fights
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.05 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Edited by: Murina on 05/11/2008 21:21:36
You have been give plenty of ways to kill or run off long range ships (including the falcon) and the best you can come up with to argue against these ideas is that its sometimes difficult to get out of a bubble?...
Stfu and go away you do not want to learn how to fight long range ships you just want to nerf anything that causes your pathetically underskilled and poorly prepared gangs a problem.
i've just looked through your bs/bc losses and it shows by some strange luck you have never been on the recieving end of a falcon. So i suppose you just shut the hell up for you have not the slightest experience in how to deal with falcons
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.06 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: chrisss0r on 06/11/2008 12:33:24
Originally by: daisy dook
Originally by: EFT Warrior
I want my rapier to have webs at 150km and trade optimal and falloff numbers for target painters. Only fair.
Nice, that would be fun.
Would you be willing to lose the weapon bonus, make web ability chance based and have racial variants of webs (ie to have a reasonable chance of webbing you need the correct racial webber);
further in the interest of balance you will also have to devote your low slots (at least 3 of them) to improve your web 'strength'?
considering that when using the ecm numbers u would almost certainly web everything smaller than a bc having a rapier with 150km and more would be just megauber and the few ridiculous drawbacks ur pointing here would not hurt at all.
ah and yes. ecm is only chancebased when the sensor strenght of the ship is higher than the jamming strenght. for most ships in eve that's lower and therefor not chance based at all.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: chrisss0r on 06/11/2008 19:31:34
jam chances for a single racial jammer range from 80 percent for the eagle across 90% for ishtar, cerberus to 100% for vagabond and muninn
so if u are a rp minmatar corp and at war with a falcon owning corp ur ****ed  for a single falcon will take a hac gang of 6 out of the fight. "chance based" with the chance of beeing jammed every single cycle at 100%
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:55:00 -
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yay, fitting eccm on my muninn
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