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ukraver Gallente Greenspring	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:36:00 - [1] When is this getting nerfed ? How can 1 single falcon completely shut down 2 battleships indefinably? We thought we were getting a nice bs 2v2 (maelstrom was on scan) and instead we got this.... what a joke. my corp member was also jammed the entire fight. D/L it, it's small. Linkage
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:41:00 - [2] Unfortunately, ccp doesn't really seem to think so. So do what i did...train your own until this fotm moves on, afterwards you have a nice torp-raven alt.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:44:00 - [3] Seeing you can fit a overheated eccm and reduce jamming by 50% i'm not sure they will.
Brodde Dim Unseen University	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:48:00 - [4] I agree falcon is a very powerfull ship, and it outclasses the other EW ships atm. But the short movie you linked is a perfect example of when it works as intended and as it should.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:49:00 - [5] Originally by: ukraver I lost.
Akiba Penrose Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:51:00 - [6] Originally by: tarin adur Unfortunately, ccp doesn't really seem to think so. Well,, according to Zulupark, they will change their mind if we just keep spamming the forums. Originally by: "CCP Zulupark" How do you decide something is unbalanced: Mostly from player feedback, bugreports and playing around on SISI. In that order.
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.11.02 03:57:00 - [7] Edited by: tarin adur on 02/11/2008 03:57:06 Originally by: Brodde Dim I agree falcon is a very powerfull ship, and it outclasses the other EW ships atm. But the short movie you linked is a perfect example of when it works as intended and as it should. Perhaps so, but when the numbers go up abit, to something like 8 on 8 battles,were 2 falcons can stop the entire team dead on their tracks,you see how outrageously overpowered they are.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.02 04:10:00 - [8] Originally by: ukraver When is this getting nerfed ? How can 1 single falcon completely shut down 2 battleships indefinably? We thought we were getting a nice bs 2v2 (maelstrom was on scan) and instead we got this.... what a joke. my corp member was also jammed the entire fight. D/L it, it's small. Linkage Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Akiba Penrose Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.11.02 04:12:00 - [9] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: ukraver When is this getting nerfed ? How can 1 single falcon completely shut down 2 battleships indefinably? We thought we were getting a nice bs 2v2 (maelstrom was on scan) and instead we got this.... what a joke. my corp member was also jammed the entire fight. D/L it, it's small. Linkage Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about.
Artelmis	Posted - 2008.11.02 04:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Akiba Penrose Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: ukraver When is this getting nerfed ? How can 1 single falcon completely shut down 2 battleships indefinably? We thought we were getting a nice bs 2v2 (maelstrom was on scan) and instead we got this.... what a joke. my corp member was also jammed the entire fight. D/L it, it's small. Linkage Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about. /signed
Tensa	Posted - 2008.11.02 04:20:00 - [11] Wait, so you mean my information warfare mindlink and my Eos are still useful? That's awesome!
Raniss	Posted - 2008.11.02 05:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Raniss on 02/11/2008 05:05:08 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: ukraver When is this getting nerfed ? How can 1 single falcon completely shut down 2 battleships indefinably? We thought we were getting a nice bs 2v2 (maelstrom was on scan) and instead we got this.... what a joke. my corp member was also jammed the entire fight. D/L it, it's small. Linkage Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about. 2/10 (for effort)
Lili Lu Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.02 05:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/11/2008 05:44:12 Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/11/2008 05:43:51 Originally by: BiggestT Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about. Except you don't appear to have lost any Falcons. http://killboard.pupuleohana.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40866 Do you perhaps have a Falcon alt? Or do you not post your losses?
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.02 05:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Lili Lu Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/11/2008 05:47:53 Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/11/2008 05:44:12 Edited by: Lili Lu on 02/11/2008 05:43:51 Originally by: BiggestT Youve never flown a falcon, you have no idea, stfu. Just because they hurt your style of gameplay does not mean they need a nerf. Say hello to my falcon, it cant tackle, it cant speed tank, it cant hp tank, it cant damage anything, it cant escape from anything when tackled, it dies in 1-2 volleys and it costs more than many bs. All it can do is jam, and to top it all off, if i miss a jam, the ship is contributing nothing to the battle plus my survival chances plummet. Oh yeah and i always get called primary. Dont whine till u know what ur talking about. Except you don't appear to have lost any Falcons, or registered any kills in them. http://killboard.pupuleohana.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=40866 Do you perhaps have a Falcon alt? Or do you not post your losses? OMG i have an alt? Say it isnt so EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Lili Lu Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.02 05:57:00 - [15] Originally by: BiggestT OMG i have an alt? Say it isnt so You have a Falcon Alt too
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.02 05:57:00 - [16] So if I replaced the Falcon with a Carrier, would you have won that 2 vs 3? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.02 06:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Lili Lu Originally by: BiggestT OMG i have an alt? Say it isnt so You have a Falcon Alt too Falcon alt and alt with falcon are 2 different things. Try and figure that out and ull see what im getting at. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.11.02 06:51:00 - [18] The falcon ECM is chance base sometime it works sometime it don't and it does nothing to drones and FOF's and the counter ECCM works well, I say plan your battles better for sure. 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.11.02 07:06:00 - [19] Being that I'm a Falcon pilot who rarely if ever owns a Falcon or flies one... I have this to say: Stop whining. Fit ECCM. Nerf Falcon alts. That is all. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.11.02 08:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Bohoba The falcon ECM is chance base sometime it works sometime it don't and it does nothing to drones and FOF's and the counter ECCM works well, I say plan your battles better for sure. My drones lack the capacity to attack targets 200km away, F.O.F only go 80km, and even with overheated ECCM you'll still get jammed 50% of the time(which,if your in a battleship, is really 100% of the time) So...what now?
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.02 08:47:00 - [21] Came to thread expecting valueless whine, was not disappointed.
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.11.02 08:56:00 - [22] Originally by: tarin adur My drones lack the capacity to attack targets 200km away, F.O.F only go 80km, and even with overheated ECCM you'll still get jammed 50% of the time(which,if your in a battleship, is really 100% of the time) So...what now? Bring a friend? 1 Correctly fitted sniper only needs 1 lock and that Falcon would either die or run. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.11.02 09:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: tarin adur My drones lack the capacity to attack targets 200km away, F.O.F only go 80km, and even with overheated ECCM you'll still get jammed 50% of the time(which,if your in a battleship, is really 100% of the time) So...what now? Bring a friend? 1 Correctly fitted sniper only needs 1 lock and that Falcon would either die or run. Said sniper would melt if so much as a thorax looked at it, and let's be realistic,you don't drag sniper-battleships around just to counter falcons.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.02 09:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 02/11/2008 09:10:48 Originally by: tarin adur Bring a friend? 1 Correctly fitted sniper only needs 1 lock and that Falcon would either die or run. Said sniper would melt if so much as a thorax looked at it, and let's be realistic,you don't drag sniper-battleships around just to counter falcons. This. "Bring a sniper" is THE LAMEST ass retort for a falcon whine I've ever seen. Anyway, CCP should take their pick. Either: a. nerf falcons to be as rubbish as arazus b. buff arazus to be as awesome as falcons And no, I don't believe Arazu/Lachesis will be uber post-patch. Not everyone has the money to run around with faction scrams... nor should a ship be near-useless without said faction gear.
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.11.02 10:18:00 - [25] So if a sniper would melt if a thorax looked at it, what do you think would happen to a Falcon? And why the hell would you have a sniper warp into the same spot as the main fight? You wouldn't. I'm not saying that a sniper is the be all and end all, but used correctly it's an option. It just depends on the situation and ships at hand. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Cruel Intent Caldari Fairlight Corp	Posted - 2008.11.02 13:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Cruel Intent on 02/11/2008 13:20:08 In fleet fights its the FC's main task to destroy the ECM before any real fighting continues. This is done either by assigning key pilots to snipe them or use your own ecm to eliminate them. This means that in large scale combat the Falcon is a key player but also a prime target, and one or two hits will destroy one. In small scale fighting a falcon is deadly, but as was said before, its based on luck and if you miss two or even one cycle then thats 160mill down the drain. ECCM will potentialy destroy a falcons chance to hit, and fitting two will negate it enough to kill them. This is tough on a sheild tanker but not on an armour tanker.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.02 13:44:00 - [27] I hope they buff ECCM instead of nurf ECM. . .but we shall see. -----------
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.02 13:56:00 - [28] Originally by: tarin adur Originally by: Bohoba The falcon ECM is chance base sometime it works sometime it don't and it does nothing to drones and FOF's and the counter ECCM works well, I say plan your battles better for sure. ECCM you'll still get jammed 50% of the time(which,if your in a battleship, is really 100% of the time) WRONG 50% is more reflective of bs chances before eccm than after. Mostfalcon pilots will have ecm with 12 strength, many bs have over 24, while hte average is around 20. ECM misses far more often than ud think. Fit eccm and ull make it that much harder for mr. falcon. Oh and to the ppl whining about not bringing snipers. You fail. An eagle is a hac and can fit further than a falcon can jam as can the cerb, and if you have a bs gang u shld always have at least one sniper. If your in a cruiser gang and are worried about falcons, use tacklers to scream at said falcon and bump him, get warp ins whatever, hell die easily. And u can always choose to conceal ur numbers BEFORE the fight starts, having ppl aligned in sniper hacs or w/e for when the flacon shows up can really give him that oh shi- factor. If ud have bothered trying such methods before screaming MUMMY MY POOR SHIP GOT JAMMED, ud realsie that eve isnt just f1-f8. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Endless Subversion The Accursed	Posted - 2008.11.02 14:04:00 - [29] Keep on with your bull**** justifications and excuses. Falcons ARE overpowered and they WILL be balanced.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.02 14:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Endless Subversion Keep on with your bull**** justifications and excuses. Falcons ARE overpowered and they WILL be balanced. YOU have NEVER flown them and have NO idea. So stfu rahter than just say "well their overpowered no matter what you say" and then plug ur ears EVE history Missiles post-nerf

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