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Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.11.02 19:43:00 - [61] Falcon is overpowered and needs to be fixed. Everyone not agreeding with this is just becouse he use it and like the iwin buttons.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Krystal Demishy Falcon is overpowered and needs to be fixed. Everyone not agreeding with this is just becouse he use it and like the iwin buttons. I do not agree with this, and I usually fly inties (I don't even own a falcon. I do own a rook btw). still, the only thing that I would change on the falcon, post speednerf is the range bonus to a falloff bonus. also, ITT, whiners that failed to adapt. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Grimpak also, ITT, whiners that failed to adapt. The same whiners that jumped on the nano whine bandwagon, and now whine about the missile nerf. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
GateScout	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:20:00 - [64] Originally by: Krystal Demishy Falcon is overpowered and needs to be fixed. Everyone not agreeding with this is just becouse he use it and like the iwin buttons. You, sir, are wrong.
Lili Lu Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:30:00 - [65] Love the Falcon tears. Like I said, until you've flown each races e-war you really have no basis for comparison. So ECM falcon apologists, you need to try the other race ships before you get on here and cry "but i could lose my ship and die . . ." Do you not think an Arazu, Rapier, and Grimpill pilot faces that more likely occurrence every time he takes those ships into battle? And really get off the just fit ECCM schtick. Do any of you even fit fleet snipers? Probably not because your other ships are undoubtedly Drakes and Ravens. In any case, to explain the low slot needs of a turret fleet sniper and still the necessity for sensor boosters, tracking computers, cap boosters, mwd in limited mids to achieve the range etc you need on your guns would take up too much space in this thread. To top it off even if you manage to tweak your setup enough to fit an ECCM, ONE ECCM IS NOT ENOUGH. ECM boats will be nerfed. I just hope when they are CCP gets it right. And for once I suspect they will because they so plainly favor Caldari. I fly the ships too, I don't want them destroyed. But I don't want them lording over my other ships anymore.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 02:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Raniss Edited by: Raniss on 02/11/2008 16:54:55 Originally by: BiggestT Bull**** Hereby i present our new falcon fanboi troll. Again, 1/10, and you damn know it. ps. its not a matter of your opinion or agreeing on certain stuff, its about being honest to yourself and admitting the falcon is overpowerdness #1 ingame. Wonder why, since every falcon (and other ecm ship for that matter) gets primaried. Its funny how u just scream "NO UR WRONG FALCON OVERPOWERED WAA" without actually being constructive. stfu or gtfo EVE history Missiles post-nerf
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 02:32:00 - [67] Originally by: Lili Lu Love the Falcon tears. Like I said, until you've flown each races e-war you really have no basis for comparison. So ECM falcon apologists, you need to try the other race ships before you get on here and cry "but i could lose my ship and die . . ." Do you not think an Arazu, Rapier, and Grimpill pilot faces that more likely occurrence every time he takes those ships into battle? Its obvious u ignored my post coz ur repeating urself. Id be much more scared of seeingan arazu when i was flying around then a falcon, falcon cant actually HURT me. Quote: And really get off the just fit ECCM schtick. Do any of you even fit fleet snipers? Probably not because your other ships are undoubtedly Drakes and Ravens. In any case, to explain the low slot needs of a turret fleet sniper and still the necessity for sensor boosters, tracking computers, cap boosters, mwd in limited mids to achieve the range etc you need on your guns would take up too much space in this thread. To top it off even if you manage to tweak your setup enough to fit an ECCM, ONE ECCM IS NOT ENOUGH. One eccm on a bs and ull find ur chances of lasting out a jam much easier, ull also be able to target back in time and 1-2 volley him if you know what ur doing. Oh yeah and i already told you how to make a compromise to fit eccm, if you wont liste your loss. Quote: ECM boats will be nerfed. I just hope when they are CCP gets it right. And for once I suspect they will because they so plainly favor Caldari. I fly the ships too, I don't want them destroyed. But I don't want them lording over my other ships anymore. I wouldnt be so sure, ccp realises that the falcon has only one role, nerfing it destroys said role. However they will nerf thigns like nano's coz mwd's etc are volentary, and form cookie cutter setups on MANY ships. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Raniss	Posted - 2008.11.03 03:05:00 - [68] Edited by: Raniss on 03/11/2008 03:11:04 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Raniss Edited by: Raniss on 02/11/2008 16:54:55 Originally by: BiggestT Bull**** Hereby i present our new falcon fanboi troll. Again, 1/10, and you damn know it. ps. its not a matter of your opinion or agreeing on certain stuff, its about being honest to yourself and admitting the falcon is overpowerdness #1 ingame. Wonder why, since every falcon (and other ecm ship for that matter) gets primaried. Its funny how u just scream "NO UR WRONG FALCON OVERPOWERED WAA" without actually being constructive. stfu or gtfo Its funny how with every single topic about falcons you come in and try to tell us they arent overpowered with the same stupid arguments time after time. People dont need your bs logic to realize they are overpowered. And you shouldnt try to keep lying to yourself, your toy will be nerfed. *ps- you should rename yourself to biggest troll
Aurelio Baran Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.03 03:14:00 - [69] Edited by: Aurelio Baran on 03/11/2008 03:14:50 Originally by: Mag's So if a sniper would melt if a thorax looked at it, what do you think would happen to a Falcon? Jam the Thorax infinitely. ---
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 03:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Raniss Its funny how with every single topic about falcons you come in and try to tell us they arent overpowered with the same stupid arguments time after time. People dont need your bs logic to realize they are overpowered. And you shouldnt try to keep lying to yourself, your toy will be nerfed. *ps- you should rename yourself to biggest troll Look, your only making it worse for yourself. Saying my arguments are bs, without saying why shows that u have nothing but ur simple attitude of not wanting to adapt. You are the only troll in here, many ppl are being costructive but your adding nothing to this argument. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.03 05:22:00 - [71] The real issue here is class balance among the ECM ships, not necessarilly the falcon. All ECM ships need to have their bonuses looked at to achieve this. Griffin/Kitsune should get a 10% bonus to ECM strength and 5% bonus to ECM range. This keeps their ECMs within frigate jamming strength and range. Blackbird/Falcon/Rook should get 15% bonus to ECM strength and 10% bonus to ECM range. Scorp needs 20% bonus to ECM strength and 20% bonus to ECM range, supplanting it as THE ecm ship for fleet, as it should be. Widow is fine as is. These simple fixes would fix ECM. -----------------------------------
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Aurelio Baran Edited by: Aurelio Baran on 03/11/2008 03:14:50 Originally by: Mag's So if a sniper would melt if a thorax looked at it, what do you think would happen to a Falcon? Jam the Thorax infinitely. So the Falcon would remain on the field, hoping for an infinite jam cycle? No, you'll find he'll run. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.03 08:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Aurelio Baran Edited by: Aurelio Baran on 03/11/2008 03:14:50 Originally by: Mag's So if a sniper would melt if a thorax looked at it, what do you think would happen to a Falcon? Jam the Thorax infinitely. So the Falcon would remain on the field, hoping for an infinite jam cycle? No, you'll find he'll run. Mags is correct. Given that it's somewhat difficult to get your jam strength to over 15, which is the necessary to jam a thorax permanantly, the falcon would ** off pretty sharpish. Also, the thorax has a 50m3 drone bay... I think the falcon would notice five **ed off Hammerhead IIs in its face.
Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.11.03 09:42:00 - [74] Every Recon is made of paper and can die easily, this is just a stupid point 'couse the Falcon has the ability to sit at a huge range and that ridicoulus ecm's power to shut down multiple ships. Does the Arazu can? Does the Pilgrim can? Does the Rapier can? No, no and no. They all must stay at close range, they are made of paper and they can't disable multiple ships (and run away if needed). Plus: none of them have all his bonus on just one thing!
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.03 10:48:00 - [75] Edited by: Amira Shadowsong on 03/11/2008 10:48:42 BiggestT you and your falcon buddies are full of crap, you KNOW falcons are overpowered and you are still repeating the same worthless arguments. YES THIS CHARACTER IS A FULLY TRAINED FALCON PILOT AND IS VERY MUCH OVERPOWERED AND I DO FLY OTHER RECONS WITH MY MAIN.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 11:08:00 - [76] Well, after the locus rig nerfs and the cruise raven nerfs, it just got even more overpowered. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.11.03 11:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, after the locus rig nerfs and the cruise raven nerfs, it just got even more overpowered. Don't forget the nano nerf that was behind it all. OH AND BTW DOES TYPING IN CAPS MAKE MY OPINION MORE VALID THAN ANYONE ELSE? MAYBE CAPS AND BOLD TEXT 4TW? Regards. Rhadamantine.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.11.03 11:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Brodde Dim Originally by: Xori Ruscuv b. buff arazus to be as awesome as falcons This is the way to get better balance. Remove the arazus hybrid damage bonus, and give it a 20% optimal to RSD per level bonus instead. very nice idea. Dmg output form rails on a arau or lach is **** poor anyway, 25% more on zip is still zip. the 5% buff to damps should also be doubled imo, but thats wishful thinking....
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.03 11:44:00 - [79] Sure falcons are pretty nasty, but they sacrifice a lot to achieve that: Does any other recon need at least 4 mids(racial jammers, duh) and 3 lows dedicated to their ewar to be reasonably effective? Or maybe there are other recons with only 1 type of ewar instead of 2? Or other recons that work on the roll of a die instead of guaranteed effect? _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:03:00 - [80] Edited by: BiggestT on 03/11/2008 13:03:21 Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Edited by: Amira Shadowsong on 03/11/2008 10:48:42 BiggestT you and your falcon buddies are full of crap, you KNOW falcons are overpowered and you are still repeating the same worthless arguments. YES THIS CHARACTER IS A FULLY TRAINED FALCON PILOT AND IS VERY MUCH OVERPOWERED AND I DO FLY OTHER RECONS WITH MY MAIN. Im repeating the same argments coz ppl keep whining about the same worthless crap, and im gonna keep repeating myself until the message sinks in. Oh and ur full of BS, proof or stfu EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Space Fascist	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:15:00 - [81] Edited by: Space Fascist on 03/11/2008 13:16:46 Originally by: BiggestT YOU have NEVER flown them and have NO idea. I love this argument. It's like saying you've never committed genocide, so you're not allowed to say it's bad until you have. Regardless, CCP wants the falcon to stay overpowered so people keep paying for falcon alt accounts.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:20:00 - [82] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/11/2008 13:22:12 Originally by: Space Fascist Regardless, CCP wants the falcon to stay overpowered so people keep paying for falcon alt accounts. "Power of 2" I'm suprised they don't advertise it with "get your own falcon alt!" The ship is designed to be used by a alt, really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:21:00 - [83] Originally by: Space Fascist Originally by: BiggestT YOU have NEVER flown them and have NO idea. I love this argument. It's like saying you've never committed genocide, so you're not allowed to say it's bad until you have. Well you dont!..oh wait. But eve is just a tad different from genocide (just a tad). You shdlnt ever whine about a ship and scream "NERF" untill youve flown them to realise what adv./ disadv. they encompass. If youve flown them and think that they are way too damn powerful and that you only ever fly that ship, then sure maybe a nerf is needed, or maybe you just love that playstyle. Most falcon pilots arent that way inclined, and get pretty bored with them soonish and go back to more conventional style like hacs, hics etc. The only reason they are popular amoung alts is because they are a bit easier to dual box with, requireing uncloak + jam from range rather than having to worry about speed, active tank, what ur tackling etc. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:39:00 - [84] My main annoyance with the Falcon is the best counter to it is another Falcon in pretty much every situation. Even more so after the patch.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:00:00 - [85] Originally by: Suitonia My main annoyance with the Falcon is the best counter to it is another Falcon in pretty much every situation. Even more so after the patch. Exactly. We use Falcons quite a lot, and spend some time thinking of countermeasures (because our enemies use them too). Pretty much always, we've come to the conclusion that it's just better to bring one more Falcon of your own. It's silly, but there it is. One possible balance fix: remove ECM range bonus from the ECM ships give the damper ships a range bonus to sensor damps Voila. ECM will require you to get in much closer, and damps have enough range to actually be an alternative to ECM (depending on situation), without becoming overpowered (sensor boosters and damp stacking penalty are both counter-forces). Probability of this actually happening? Close to zero, since the devs apparently think both ECM and damps are "fine" currently. Sigh.
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:04:00 - [86] Originally by: Space Fascist Edited by: Space Fascist on 03/11/2008 13:16:46 Originally by: BiggestT YOU have NEVER flown them and have NO idea. I love this argument. It's like saying you've never committed genocide, so you're not allowed to say it's bad until you have. Regardless, CCP wants the falcon to stay overpowered so people keep paying for falcon alt accounts. Pwnt. I hope he stops saying that.
Endless Subversion The Accursed	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:43:00 - [87] I like BiggestT, I think he believes that if he replies to each post that talks about falcons being overpowered on a one-to-one basis that he can cancel out their criticism. Keep on fighting the good fight BiggestT, you're totally correct, falcons are fine, nothing to be seen here!
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:29:00 - [88] Edited by: FlameGlow on 03/11/2008 15:30:08 Originally by: CCP Zulupark after talking to Nozh we're now looking into ECM range bonuses on Caldari ships and how we can make ECCM and remote ECCM more viable ...... Falcon - ECM: Yeah, afaik Nozh is looking at range bonuses on Caldari ships and he wants to improve ECCM. ........ ECM vs Damper ships: I think I said that ECM was fine but ECM ships needed looking into. If I didn't then that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion :) ......... ECM: ECM is pretty much well balanced, it's the specific ECM ships we need to look at. Incoming nerf, take cover!!!! _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:58:00 - [89] Nerf the **** out of falcons please. Anyone who says otherwise flies a Falcon and does the same thing as shown in the video.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.03 16:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Endless Subversion Keep on with your bull**** justifications and excuses. Falcons ARE overpowered and they WILL be balanced. Anything that does not sit still for your f1-f8 idea of pvp you just cannot deal with and just go str8 for a nerf dont ya pal?.

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