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faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:40:00 - [1] IÆve been running missions for a long time now, and have been a casual player since 2004. IÆve always wanted to get into PvP, but as my ships got bigger and my modules got more expensive, the interest died down due to logic: ½ fly what you can afford to lose +; ½ Your ships are lost as soon as you undock +. There was also another factor; Most corps have no serious support for inexperienced PvPers, most of these corps are inexperienced themselves; and the hardcore PvP corps just rush you in a 200 man fleet in 0.0 with no guidance what so ever (thatÆs if you ever manage to get in one that operate in 0.0 ½ seriously +). The small Roaming PvP Corps, where youÆll see 20-30 pilots and 2/3rd of the members are highly experienced, are pretty picky about who they chose. These kinds of corps can teach you a hell of allot, in all aspect of PvP in eve; from scanning your target down, finding and locking him, popping him quick, and making a quick getaway if the target has many campmates in local or the vicinities. I can understand why these guys can be picky about who they let in; the same way, with experience and time, you become extremely picky about the corp. you want to spend the next year in. IÆve seen allot of post from people demanding that carebears be thrown in low sec and 0.0. As an Ex Carebear, let me tell you that you donÆt want this. A carebear gets aggressive when pushed, especially experienced mission runners. They tend to group up in system that are highly profitable; where there are good agents for example. Now take out the agent and replace the rats with PvPers whose fittings can buy a 60 day GTC and whose ships, when salvaged drop nice goodies. The same way there is a database for rats in Mission survival sites, the same way they came up with fittings for specific ships, rats and missionsàthe same thing will happen for ½ PvPrats +. Now that was one scenario. The second scenario is one that involves swarms and swarms of lvl 4 mission runners. Think of Goons on steroids: back when Goons first started, they could fleet up 200 noobs in frigs and cruisers. Remember how nasty that was? Remember how random they were? Now imagine a ****ed off mission runner who lost a raven, fleeting up 200-300 of CNRs, Maels, Domi, Caneà some really nasty stuff. There are more lvl4 mission runners than there are low / null sec PvPers, itÆs a fact. Now in my last scenario, one that IÆm hoping because of the corp. IÆm in right now, is that this switch of restriction, from high sec carebeare to low/null sec carebear, would change most of 0.0 into an amamake like mess. No more hours of roaming from W-TFCK to O-SHT without one target in local. And just like amamake, Industrialist would not be interested in flying there AT ALL; the risk for them would be higher than it is now. IÆm a carebear that has moved from high sec to 0.0, and frankly, IÆm loving it. Was roaming with some new buddies last night and we have some pretty nice kills with just one ceptor lost. We even randomly ganked an escorted Freighter that was passing near our system. Te freighter drops in Kill mail was Epic btw. I was picky about the corp, posted a professionally descent ad in recruitment channel shopped around, spoke to people, and it paid off. These guys are relaxed, donÆt take themselves too seriously, and are not condescending. They are willing to share knowledge and the Vent convo is pretty light; no corporate blablah that has nothing to do with you or the reason why you joined the corp. Alliance and corp chat are not spammed with info that are important (itÆs short and clear). IÆm not stuck in 0.0, they still give you the option to make your isk the way you want to : set a clone in high sec for mission running, or rat ½ at your own risk in 0.0 + or whatever it is that keep your cash flowing while still being available for Ops. I will keep this post updated with my PvP experiences as an ex carebear
Raymond Dawkins School of Applied Fail	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:42:00 - [2] Wall of Text for the loose.
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:42:00 - [3] reserved
Winwinwin Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Winwinwin on 04/11/2008 15:44:45 Originally by: Raymond Dawkins Wall of Text for the loose. wall of brainless ftw edit: nice read
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:47:00 - [5] Originally by: faxtarious IÆve seen allot of post from people demanding that carebears be thrown in low sec and 0.0. As an Ex Carebear, let me tell you that you donÆt want this. A carebear gets aggressive when pushed OH NOES THE CAREBEARS ARE COMING!!!! Interesting post never the less SKUNK
Shenko Minara	Posted - 2008.11.04 15:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Raymond Dawkins Wall of Text for the loose. If you're going to quote dumb internet memes, do your best to use the right words lest people realise how incredibly stupid you might be. Here are some examples. Lose: There is no chance you will ever lose your virginity. Loose: Unless you pay a lady of loose virtue. I hope this has been educational for you and helps with your future posting.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.04 16:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Le Skunk Interesting post never the less SKUNK *nevertheless -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.04 16:09:00 - [8] trolls get so much attention on this board
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.04 16:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Shenko Minara Here are some examples. Lose: There is no chance you will ever lose your virginity. Loose: Unless you pay a lady of loose virtue. Can I borrow that?
Ghostwind Gallente Dead Skin Mask	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:22:00 - [10] Good read, faxtarious - I look forward to your updates. _______________________________________________
Johnny Rook Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:53:00 - [11] I, for one, am terrified at the thought of hundreds of people who don't know how to pvp flying expensive ships in low sec TERRIFIED
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:57:00 - [12] ITT: The Carebears, now recruiting PVPers...
Vak'ran	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:03:00 - [13] Originally by: faxtarious ...roaming from W-TFCK to O-SHT... made me lol
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Johnny Rook I, for one, am terrified at the thought of hundreds of people who don't know how to pvp flying expensive ships in low sec TERRIFIED I really laught when I hear pvpers say that experienced lvl 4 runners can't fit a ship... PvPers fight like this Lvl4 runners fight like that two different world, both fittings types make sense and work in it's respective senario... and yes you should be affraid of a goon like swarm composed of experienced mission runner... unless you bring a fleet of 200 ECM boats and call it a draw... 1 one 1 I know that a lone mission runner don,t stand a chance with his fitting...but a fleet... It's something I'd like to see tho, Runners Vs PvPers fleet fight The alpha on the Runner side will be slightly weaker than the pvpers because pvpers fit for DPS and ECM with low or no Tank whereas Runner fit for a balance of DPS and Tank... So it should be an interesting duel . Mindsets are different, effectivenes stays the same I'd like to have soem experienced PvPers and Runners to argue it out...not the troll, please guys... there's a special class in WoW for you guys, with the same name.
Chompy	Posted - 2008.11.05 00:03:00 - [15] nice read and an interesting insight
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.11.05 00:26:00 - [16] Won't ever happen. We carebears are all about wallets. PvPers are all about killboard stats. It makes as much sense for carebears to suddenly grow a sack and go looking for kills as it does for e.g. Skunk to get a hulk and start mining veldspar next to Chribba. While I admit to enjoying the occasional blob or senseless gank (on the ganker side, natch) the mere possibility of roaming all night to find nothing or nothing but bigger blobs does not appeal in the least. Do not want.
Ragnar Darkstar	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:11:00 - [17] The great American, Steven Colbert, of the Colbert Report, has warned about the bear threat. Little did we know that he really meant a specific kind of bear, the Carebear.
XSarah	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:26:00 - [18] Welcome to the real EVE
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:45:00 - [19] Good on you man... I got severe butt puckering on the way to venal. bob and gbc doing thier 120m gate camps and 12 t2 large bubbles.. certainly made getting to venal highly interesting... not to mention the gate camp on the other side of the bubble half as big lol.. yeah 0.0 has its perks huh? but Kudos on the leap into 0.0, hope you enjoy it brudda! Many kudos to Foulque for my sig..
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.05 06:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Lady Aja Good on you man... I got severe butt puckering on the way to venal. bob and gbc doing thier 120m gate camps and 12 t2 large bubbles.. certainly made getting to venal highly interesting... not to mention the gate camp on the other side of the bubble half as big lol.. yeah 0.0 has its perks huh? but Kudos on the leap into 0.0, hope you enjoy it brudda! LOL Yeah I'm having fun man...did some roaming again tonight with no luck...in Goonz space out of all places... (hope they don't read this and blob us tomorrow ) I still run missions though...I get more isk from it than 0.0 ratting because I Pimp my b**tches...err I mean agents. Oh and from carebear to carebear a Snipping Muninn ownz ass my freind
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.05 06:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Clair Bear Won't ever happen. We carebears are all about wallets. PvPers are all about killboard stats. It makes as much sense for carebears to suddenly grow a sack and go looking for kills as it does for e.g. Skunk to get a hulk and start mining veldspar next to Chribba. While I admit to enjoying the occasional blob or senseless gank (on the ganker side, natch) the mere possibility of roaming all night to find nothing or nothing but bigger blobs does not appeal in the least. Do not want. dude...unless your an indy guy, we all have the urge to blow people (no pun intended) and we all have the urge to fill our wallets. if mission runners were given the option to blow people without risk...they'd probably take it and I've been roaming fro two consecutive nights for 5 hours each, and we've never came across a blob...and if we were that lucky and died horribly...that would have been a good death...and i would have jumped to my High sec clone to mission a bit with the satisfaction that i took out a few falcons and cruisers before going down. And that would make my one week of missioning a hell of allot more satisfying because I know that after that I'd have a wallet that is big enough to get me enough T2 fitted Hacs to get back in 0.0 for a full week. Now that is EvE sorry to sound like a 0.0 dweller...But "I was blind and now I see"...
zabdiel Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.05 06:53:00 - [22] I would not be worried about a 200man carebear fleet made up of missioners. One thing that they lack is team work an cohesion. Once a carebear is half through shields in his faction/officer fit CNR/Golem etc, he will warp back to station or a safespot (if they even know how to make a SS). If that was the case, then all the mission runners would X up and take out Suddenly Ninja's in Dodixie (but it will never happen).
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:08:00 - [23] You think you're a zero? Don't be so hard on yourself. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Mal Lokrano Gallente LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:19:00 - [24] Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 05/11/2008 07:20:28 Originally by: Shenko Minara Here are some examples. Lose: There is no chance you will ever lose your virginity. Loose: Unless you pay a lady of loose virtue. this made my day /thread anyways i know how ya feel i've a noob in 0.0 and its fun but been tough for me as i keep losing stuff . When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always acertain the vintage of the first two.
StainLessStealRat Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:25:00 - [25] I can see it now. Gang of bears all in Faction BS Cuz they are uber with a mix of long and short range as you never know, enter 0.0 CEO (they dont have an FC)"Oh yes 2 Huggins we can take these guys EASY "Primay Evil Piwate 2" they all try too lock the huggins locking each other or there drones 95% of the time due to overview set up. Bear1 "wow what's this big sheild around the gate" Six people at once " why cant my cruise missiles hit this guy???!!?!?" CEO "doesnt matter they cant break our mega tanks stupid pirates" Blob of pirate BS warp in from a close safe to a 160km snipe spot ( oh i say pirate because all PvPers are pirates from what i gather from the smack in local) Pirate FC starts calling primarys seondry ect,Grinning from ear to ear at the floating isk in front of them . CEO "OH Cipes" All at once "screams of terror" CEO "Warp out warp out" All at once "Cant warp" So far no one has locked a target other than the 2 recons all are agroed cant warp and don't know why. First target pops.... screams moans and crys of haxx is all that can be heard from then on over voice. CEO did come up with the idea to reaproach gate and would of got out but his drones where still trying to hit a recon and he was still wondering how long he had to wait for agro to finish when he popped
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:32:00 - [26] Originally by: StainLessStealRat Edited by: StainLessStealRat on 05/11/2008 07:28:47 I can see it now. Gang of bears all in Faction BS Cuz they are uber with a mix of long and short range as you never know, enter 0.0 CEO (they dont have an FC)"Oh yes 2 Huggins we can take these guys EASY "Primay Evil Piwate 2" they all try to lock the huggins locking each other or their drones 95% of the time due to overview set up. Bear1 "wow what's this big sheild around the gate" Six people at once " why can't my cruise missiles hit this guy???!!?!?" CEO "doesn't matter they can't break our mega tanks stupid pirates" Blob of pirate BS warp in from a close safe to a 160km snipe spot ( oh i say pirate because all PvPers are pirates from what i gather from the smack in local) Pirate FC starts calling primary's secondary's etc,Grinning from ear to ear at the floating isk in front of them . CEO "OH Cipes" All at once "screams of terror" CEO "Warp out warp out" All at once "Cant warp" So far no one has locked a target other than the 2 recons all are agroed cant warp and don't know why. First target pops.... screams moans and crys of haxx is all that can be heard from then on over voice. CEO did come up with the idea to reapproach gate and would of got out but his drones were still trying to hit a recon and he was still wondering how long he had to wait for agro to finish when he popped hahah "I once was blind, and now I see"
Cece Cline	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:47:00 - [27] hahahaha that made me "lol" or am I more credible if I say it "was for lulz"? I don't know how you pvp'ers talk nowdays but I can figure what a pirate gangchat looks like: LAZERK1LLER: hi lol IpwNJo0: lol Inv1s1b3DK: lol dwarfunter: lol hi LAZERK1LLER: wat u doin lol IpwNJo0: lol dwarfunter: lol roamming LAZERK1LLER: lol Inv1s1b3DK ne1 wanne gate camp????? IpwNJo0: lol dwarfunter: lol noob Inv1s1b3DK: mom came hom gotta go IpwNJo0: lol Inv1s1b3DK: lol sigh
Tsiros Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:03:00 - [28] carebears can pvp. i know it sounds stupid but all you need is one pvpier to lead you through (give you ideas about fitting and the gang methods) and just to accept that ships will go down. after that you just learn on the way as everyone does when he/she starts pvp
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:50:00 - [29] Interesting post... I love how you make the divide, its either you PvP or you carebear. Heaven forbid if you can be an avid lvl 4 mission runner and a low/null sec PvP junkie? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:56:00 - [30] Edited by: Misanth on 05/11/2008 10:56:35 Originally by: Artemis Rose Interesting post... I love how you make the divide, its either you PvP or you carebear. Heaven forbid if you can be an avid lvl 4 mission runner and a low/null sec PvP junkie? Quite fun when you read the ships and module, and the mission section. There's plenty of people from well-known active PvP-corporations/alliances posting there. Same goes for me.. four accounts atm, three of them 100% PvP, fourth is a mix of different ways to make isk, including missioning. Also used for pvp. z0mg. What's up with this world, madness, you can PvP and run lv4's at the same time! I'll even admit the unspeakable.. my mission running alt has Exhumer 3, so I can join in on mining ops and support my corporation when needed. I'm so ashamed! Please end my misery. Edit; oh btw op, pretty cool read.

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