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Loki Farseer Live and Let Die Unlimited	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:52:00 - [1] Figured I'd make a R.I.P. for my beloved Blaster Boats. It's all I really fly and really all I like flying. (583 Fights in a Mega; 58+ and still counting in my Navy Mega's)... till the patch Sadly I started cross training Amarr month(s) ago when the crap about webs, scrams etc first hit the boards and SISI.. TBH I'll probably just cross train all the races and tell CCP to kiss my @ss and nerf whatever they want.. since they will anyway. No real point to this and honestly not going to bother with a "please fix the blasters" whine since they're not going to. If logic, cold hard numbers, and or their "testing" didn't do it then they can't see the problem... and nothing I'm or any of us say will do a bit of good, since they know all Just the end of another era in EVE and a little closer to the Homogenized Blobby EVE of the future. R.I.P Blasterboats Nerfed to Death Nov 11th, 2008 Victim of the Law of Unintended Consequences
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:56:00 - [2] I'm still going to fly them.
Jack Airron Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.11.04 17:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Loki Farseer Figured I'd make a R.I.P. for my beloved Blaster Boats. It's all I really fly and really all I like flying. (583 Fights in a Mega; 58+ and still counting in my Navy Mega's)... till the patch Sadly I started cross training Amarr month(s) ago when the crap about webs, scrams etc first hit the boards and SISI.. TBH I'll probably just cross train all the races and tell CCP to kiss my @ss and nerf whatever they want.. since they will anyway. No real point to this and honestly not going to bother with a "please fix the blasters" whine since they're not going to. If logic, cold hard numbers, and or their "testing" didn't do it then they can't see the problem... and nothing I'm or any of us say will do a bit of good, since they know all Just the end of another era in EVE and a little closer to the Homogenized Blobby EVE of the future. R.I.P Blasterboats Nerfed to Death Nov 11th, 2008 Victim of the Law of Unintended Consequences stuff plox?
Loki Farseer Live and Let Die Unlimited	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:04:00 - [4] Not leaving, Just Sad TBH
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Loki Farseer Figured I'd make a R.I.P. for my beloved Blaster Boats. It's all I really fly and really all I like flying. (583 Fights in a Mega; 58+ and still counting in my Navy Mega's)... till the patch Sadly I started cross training Amarr month(s) ago when the crap about webs, scrams etc first hit the boards and SISI.. TBH I'll probably just cross train all the races and tell CCP to kiss my @ss and nerf whatever they want.. since they will anyway. No real point to this and honestly not going to bother with a "please fix the blasters" whine since they're not going to. If logic, cold hard numbers, and or their "testing" didn't do it then they can't see the problem... and nothing I'm or any of us say will do a bit of good, since they know all Just the end of another era in EVE and a little closer to the Homogenized Blobby EVE of the future. R.I.P Blasterboats Nerfed to Death Nov 11th, 2008 Victim of the Law of Unintended Consequences Stop sensationalizing. Blaster boats are not dead. HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. I for one, happen to think, that smaller blaster ships like the Taranis and Enyo, are actually going to be more "alive" than ever before. -------- Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything.
Loki Farseer Live and Let Die Unlimited	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:13:00 - [6] VJ.. Like wise man once said Opinions are like @-holes... everyone has one. You're not worth the argument.
Strill	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:13:00 - [7] Originally by: VJ Maverick HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. And why is that?
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Loki Farseer VJ.. Like wise man once said Opinions are like @-holes... everyone has one. I forgot. I have an "opinion". You have "undeniable truth." How can I compete with that? You win. I yield. BTW, can have your stuffs?
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Strill Originally by: VJ Maverick HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. And why is that? Primarily because an attacking solo battleship will have a very hard time catching anything that doesn't want to fight. At the same, a defending solo battleship will be much more vulnerable to smaller, more agile ships.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Loki Farseer VJ.. Like wise man once said Opinions are like @-holes... everyone has one. You're not worth the argument. omg, what should i do if i dont have an *hole? sarcasm of course. to be constructive, just as the joke thread suggested one extra mid for shield tanks to provide default eccm ability w/o sacrifice, shouldn't ccp consider blaster boat mids for boats they may need AB AND** mwd to be effective?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:23:00 - [11] Originally by: VJ Maverick Stop sensationalizing. Blaster boats are not dead. HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. I for one, happen to think, that smaller blaster ships like the Taranis and Enyo, are actually going to be more "alive" than ever before. Of course, let's kill the Thorax, Diemost, Brutix, Astarte, Megathron and Hyperion so the Ishkur gets a boost (since Ishkur >> Enyo in a blaster role, sorry)! Yeah, total win for blasterboats.
Strill	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:24:00 - [12] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Strill Originally by: VJ Maverick HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. And why is that? Primarily because an attacking solo battleship will have a very hard time catching anything that doesn't want to fight. At the same, a defending solo battleship will be much more vulnerable to smaller, more agile ships. You just restated what you said earlier. Solo battleships already can't attack, and now they can't defend either, which means they're dead. Explain why you think they should be dead.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: VJ Maverick Stop sensationalizing. Blaster boats are not dead. HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. I for one, happen to think, that smaller blaster ships like the Taranis and Enyo, are actually going to be more "alive" than ever before. Of course, let's kill the Thorax, Diemost, Brutix, Astarte, Megathron and Hyperion so the Ishkur gets a boost (since Ishkur >> Enyo in a blaster role, sorry)! Yeah, total win for blasterboats. This, tbh.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:28:00 - [14] Unless the info I am getting from test is completly bogus it is solo blaster Battleships R.I.P All other blasterboats should still be working.
Loki Farseer Live and Let Die Unlimited	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:28:00 - [15] I already had the KM up for the Blaster Boats... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=915164
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Strill Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Strill Originally by: VJ Maverick HULKING SOLO BS's (blaster or otherwise) are dead, as they should be. And why is that? Primarily because an attacking solo battleship will have a very hard time catching anything that doesn't want to fight. At the same, a defending solo battleship will be much more vulnerable to smaller, more agile ships. You just restated what you said earlier. Solo battleships already can't attack, and now they can't defend either, which means they're dead. Explain why you think they should be dead. Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted me to explain the "how" and not the "why.". As for the why, the way I see it is thus: Until now, the solo battleship was so versatile and effective as to obviate the need to use anything else. The BS was the defacto standard for the majority of people who had the skills to use one. Now that the battleship is significantly more vulnerable to smaller ships, I expect more variety in types of ships used as well as a Renaissance of new tactics and solutions. This makes sense and is good for EvE. But then again, that's just an "opinion." -------- Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Hyveres Unless the info I am getting from test is completly bogus it is solo blaster Battleships R.I.P All other blasterboats should still be working. Like a Thorax or a Brutix which have no way in hell of actually getting to their preffered range? Get on test and test? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Prometheus Exenthal Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:32:00 - [18] probably a good time to learn something other than mwd -> approach - FRIGANK\|FRIGANK 2
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal probably a good time to learn something other than mwd -> approach QFT -------- Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:32:00 - [20] There is still loads of posts about problems with virtually every weapon system and ship class in the game but they at CCP have deemed it wise to set a TQ nerf date?.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Loki Farseer Figured I'd make a R.I.P. for my beloved Blaster Boats. It's all I really fly and really all I like flying. (583 Fights in a Mega; 58+ and still counting in my Navy Mega's)... till the patch Sadly I started cross training Amarr month(s) ago when the crap about webs, scrams etc first hit the boards and SISI.. TBH I'll probably just cross train all the races and tell CCP to kiss my @ss and nerf whatever they want.. since they will anyway. No real point to this and honestly not going to bother with a "please fix the blasters" whine since they're not going to. If logic, cold hard numbers, and or their "testing" didn't do it then they can't see the problem... and nothing I'm or any of us say will do a bit of good, since they know all Just the end of another era in EVE and a little closer to the Homogenized Blobby EVE of the future. R.I.P Blasterboats Nerfed to Death Nov 11th, 2008 Victim of the Law of Unintended Consequences Actually blaster boats are quite popular on sisi, since everythings slowed down, a web will still keep them in range and you can get some nice damage. Still some issues with them i hear tho.. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Strill	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:34:00 - [22] Originally by: VJ Maverick Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted me to explain the "how" and not the "why.". As for the why, the way I see it is thus: Until now, the solo battleship was so versatile and effective as to obviate the need to use anything else. The BS was the defacto standard for the majority of people who had the skills to use one. Now that the battleship is significantly more vulnerable to smaller ships, I expect more variety in types of ships used as well as a Renaissance of new tactics and solutions. This makes sense and is good for EvE. But then again, that's just an "opinion." No, you're confused there. The solo battleship is vulnerable to small ships, but gang battleships have no trouble against them. They have plenty of webs and tracking opportunities to slaughter small ships with no trouble even with large guns. The battleship is still the defacto standard, it's just that solo battleships are now useless, so solo pvp is dead.
Strill	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal probably a good time to learn something other than mwd -> approach What, like afterburner -> approach -> approach -> approach -> die? My god what in the world goes through your mind? What else are you going to do other than get in range as soon as possible? If you can't get in range you're dead because the other person has outdamaged you.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:38:00 - [24] Originally by: VJ Maverick Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted me to explain the "how" and not the "why.". As for the why, the way I see it is thus: Until now, the solo battleship was so versatile and effective as to obviate the need to use anything else. Which is why low-sec is full of solo BS and solo HACs/cruisers/BCs/recons are nowhere in sight... Originally by: VJ Maverick The BS was the defacto standard for the majority of people who had the skills to use one. I know tons of very skilled people who can use BS to a extremely good standard of efficiency. Very few of them like soloing in a BS. Generally because: (a) It's slow. (b) It's fairly expensive. (c) You are only catching maybe other BS or people who actually want a fight. Originally by: VJ Maverick Now that the battleship is significantly more vulnerable to smaller ships, I expect more variety in types of ships used as well as a Renaissance of new tactics and solutions. This makes sense and is good for EvE. But then again, that's just an "opinion." Like what? Using AFs for solo? Ok, good. What else is 'boosted'?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Murina There is still loads of posts about problems with virtually every weapon system and ship class in the game but they at CCP have deemed it wise to set a TQ nerf date?. The WOW expansion is coming on the same day so they've got to keep up.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:45:00 - [26] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal probably a good time to learn something other than mwd -> approach QFT Because, especially when in Not A Battleship, you have so many other options when your optimal range is about 6 km tops, with Null. And before anyone else brings up falloff - once you're into falloff there's no more point to using a blastership over, say, an Amarr gunboat or any other longer-range ship. Once you switch to something that isn't Navy Anti or Null, there isn't any point to the ship. There is a new option other than approach + MWD + pray or hope that your gang feels the need to get you a 0 km warpin when nobody else needs it - abandon blasters as quick as possible. I should have started crosstraining much earlier than I did, but I thought CCP had some intelligent people in the design house. Oops.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.04 18:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal probably a good time to learn something other than mwd -> approach Like "lock target" then "F1".......?.
Loki Farseer Live and Let Die Unlimited	Posted - 2008.11.04 19:01:00 - [28] Ezekiel, Sadly having been through this before with the nerf-bat boys @ CCP... I have no faith in anyone @ CCP figuring anything as esoteric or logical as this.. Since it requires that you understand that by "Fixing" one "Problem" (I use those terms lightly here) ya might cause problems elsewhere... Kinda like with their coding/patches CCP : We fixed this... Oh crap but how did that happen .. and no I'm not quitting and nobody can have my stuff
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.04 19:14:00 - [29] Steal my sig if ya like lol.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.11.04 19:39:00 - [30] Stop asking for his stuff, and learn to read, he isn't leaving EVE.

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